Been saying they need to put the new sensor down the line but I am rethinking this now since stacked sensors are $$$
So to me the most important thing is the on-5 sensor if it’s not the stacked one, that I shares the modest image quality improvements of the new sensor and also able to auto iso to 25600
But all said I rather have them do a pro specced smaller om-5 priced high than a model with some obvious compromises to make it “cheap”
Even if that means a price north of $1,500 USD - say $1600 or even $1799 - make it right make it pro small That would be pretty unique in the market
thoughts? What you think is key for the om-5 to come out in todays market competitively - assuming this is an em5 mark iii follow up or even em1 mark iii
I think it has go one way or the other. Either the same sensor that's in OM1, or a non-stacked, higher resolution BSI sensor to cater to different needs. I don't think 20mp non-stacked sensor will be that appealing, given that it'll be competing with EM1III and EM5III in that price range, not to mention other m43 and APSC offerings in that range. But whether we see higher resolution sensor also depends on how well the current lenses can resolve the additional detail. OM doesn't seem to prioritize spec sheet bragging as much as real world improvements (e.g. they improved IBIS in OM1 even though it makes zero difference in CIPA rating since CIPA does not test for rolls) so I think it would happen only if they believe that there's real image resolution gain from higher res sensor.
There was a low credibility rumor about OM5 having higher resolution sensor. I think it's actually possible they would go for a higher resolution sensor. It will differentiate OM1 and OM5 in a way that will make them more appealing as a set, using one for wildlife and the other for nature
back illuminated sensor read slower so the pixel count is limited like the GH5S
Please explain to me why the Fuji APSC of 26MP then is BSI and 26 MP? That doesn't make sense. Also the Fuji 26MP is a relatively fast sensor (close to EM1.2/.3 readouts) in its class. Of course doesn't compare to the super fast stacked sensors but that's beside the point.
Evidence the Fuji 26MP is BSI and has been that for a while now:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/54716...s-with-a-26mp-x-trans-sensor-and-4k-60p-video
you need stacking to read faster or front illumination
Update: BSI enables actually bigger pixel counts without sacrificing image quality vs some degree of lower pixel counts. No, I am not going to bother looking where this piece of knowledge came from but I am pretty sure you can find it if you look for it. I already gave you evidence.
Hope you now return in kind.
There are back illuminated non stacked sensors typically used for low pixel count cameras like sony And panasonic 24 megapixels
You brought up the GH5s as an example of low pixel count BSI.
no the gh5s is not stacked
those read slow cant do 60 fos without crop
The Fuji 26MP ASPC sensor being used is not slow even if it's not hitting 60fps. It's definitively a step above the average CMOS sensor that was done until that time.
then there sre backilluminated stacked sensor with high pixel count those don’t do equally well in low light and are what goes in full frame high megapixel sensor.
This is a new claim. What you claimed was
"back illuminated sensor read slower so the pixel count is limited like the GH5S
you need stacking to read faster or front illumination"
So looks like the pixel count isn't limited. I gave you quite the example with the sony 61MP sensor. There's others around.
you don’t understand that there are 3 types of construction
front illuminated - sony exmor
back illuminated - sony exmor R
stacked back illuminated in multiple variants - sony exmor rs
Currently the exmor line has very few products it is the oldest line making apsc and MFT sensor with pixel size 3.3-3.97 microns
The exmor r line is the back illuminated line with higher sensitivity it has a wide range of pixel size however those have slow readout the only models that read 60 fps have 12 megapixels or less
Finally the rs line is the new mainstream pixel size up to 2.4 in normal cell and smaller for quad bayer
the sensor in the om-1 has 80 megapixels arranged in 20 megapixel cells
so yes stacking means higher count and smaller pixels
Am not familiar with fuji sony apsc stack uses traditional front illuminated sensors that are still very high performance.
? They are BSI.
nope sony apsc are front illuminated
Why don’t they change to stacked? Not sure but probably dont want to make a 32 megapixel apsc eating into their full frame
? Fuji just announced a 26MP Stacked sensor camera.
sony strategy is to get a winning full frame product and apsc is a commodity product
I was giving you the concrete example of Sony 61MP and Fuji's 26MP BSI sensors.
With more companies using high megapixels high speed full frame also those sensor will become mainstream
For MFT is a bit tricker especially if panasonic no longer uses sony so it will be hard to drive volumes
it would make sense for OMS to move all cameras to the new sensor to reduce purchase price instead kod getting other products
sensor costs is driven by volumes a line only does one process if you make 1 million of a certain product and 10000 of another video on the same line the latter will be significantly more expensive
this is the same reason why you buy a disk and a larger size costs less as raw materials quantity means nothing in the pricing while volumes matter
i think you need to refresh yourself a bit on the technology aspects
so your reasoning om-1 get a new different sensor to have lower cost doesn’t work
