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Canon R7 vs. Fujifilm X-H2S

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Thank you.

Its but one example,I'm sure due to same price that R6..A7mk4 and XH2s will be thoroughly compared.

The Fuji isnt on sale till mid July and I'm looking forward to the reports from owners,when the camera has the final firmware.

A couple of YT reports had LoK ups(Kai's channel was one).
 
palane said:
mit_physicist said:
pjtmac said:
I think, as always, your choice of camera depends on how you plan to use it. For me, as a wildlife photographer, the Canon would be unacceptable due to its mediocre buffer, what is likely EVF blackout and comparatively lower ISO performance. Another consideration is what you have for gear presently. I have a Fuji XT-3 so my Fuji lenses can work fine on the X-H2S. I don't have to invest in additional gear. I'd rather pay $1K less but I need the performance that Fuji is offering. Good luck with your choice.
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wild that a wildlife-first shooter would even consider Fuji. who cares if you can shoot a million raws in a row if they're all out of focus at f/8?
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But what if the Fuji AF is better than the R6?

Go to YouTube and you will see.
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wishful thinking lol

okay I'll elaborate: seems like everyone thinks the eye-boxes are plenty sticky, and then they open the files and realize the camera didn't focus where it said it would...
 
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djourisman said:
It's interesting that these two cameras are hitting the market at the same time. I'm struck by how differently Canon and Fuji are approaching the APS-C market.

Where I'm coming from. Except for one thing, I'm quite happy with my Canon R with RF 24-105 f/4 combo for travel and landscape photography. What's that one thing? Weight. Together, that's 1360 grams, too heavy (for me) to wear with a sling over one shoulder without developing pain. A harness can distribute the weight equally across my upper torso — workable, but dang inconvenient for travel photography.

I was hoping that the rumored R7 would be a high quality but light-weight replacement for my Canon R system. I'm especially disappointed that Canon has decided to "cheap out" on the EVF. EVF's are important to me — photography is visual, and it's through the viewfinder that I connect with my subject. The R's 3.69 million pixels was a satisfactory substitute for a true OVF. The R7 with just 2.36 million pixels is an unacceptable downgrade. I think Jared Polin was spot on when he noted only that the camera "includes an EVF," a pretty low standard.

The other unanswered question: what is the IQ of the RF-S 18-150 lens? I don't see Canon or anyone else hyping its superior optics.

R7 + 18-150 kit — 917 grams.

So while Canon is cheaping out with its entry into mirrorless APS-C, Fuji seems to be going high-end with its Fujifilm X-H2S. An OVF with 5.76 million pixels - the same as Canon's top-of-the-line R3.

And what about the Fujinon XF 18-120mm f/4 lens? That's the unknown, but it would appears, on the surface of things, to offer superior optics than Canon's new 18-150.

X-H2S + 18-120 kit — 1120 grams

I could care less about the video capabilities of either system. Canon's system is lighter but lower quality, but it likely has superior autofocusing. I like and am used to Canon's menu system, but I'm tempted by Fuji instinct to create a top-of-the-line APS-C.

Canon kit - $1900

Fuji kit - $3400 (about 80% more)
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the fuji kit is 1.5k$ more expensive.

but you WILL be getting value for every extra dollar you paid! (camera and lens)

the x h2s is the cutting edge!

unless your'e heavily invested in canon glass...
 
Loyalty to a brand seems to have a lot more to do with the decision here than specs, money or anything else. :-)
 
pjtmac said:
Loyalty to a brand seems to have a lot more to do with the decision here than specs, money or anything else. :-)
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blind brand loyalty is foolish, it's either up to your lens arsenal, or if you really can't do without a canon interface (that's also sort of foolish but...), the better images (i.e. the better conditions to capture better images) are going to come from the fuji hands down.

I think if someone raises this question, they can't be too brand loyal after all...

I love Nikon, but I shoot Canon, so... :-)
 
BirdShooter7 said:
Craig Smith said:
Canon is going to sell a zillion R7's.

Reason?

Amazing auto focus for $1499. All the other bells and whistles both of these camera's offer are nice, but nothing makes a camera "less fun" to use than under performing auto focus.

Canon's R3/R5/R6 auto focus system delivers. That system is now available in the R7. When the camera is released later this month, and those that couldn't afford the R3/R5/R6 get their hands on it, heads will explode.

I purchased an R6 last year and I don't want to use any other camera. Just sold all my M kit to buy the R7 as a backup. Reason? Auto focus.
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While I’m sure the R7’s AF is going to be fantastic, Rudy Winston was careful to point out that it isn’t the same as the R3 (no big shock) but it does get a lot…
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I believe Rudy wants to protect/justify the price point of the R3.
 
djourisman said:
It's interesting that these two cameras are hitting the market at the same time. I'm struck by how differently Canon and Fuji are approaching the APS-C market.

Where I'm coming from. Except for one thing, I'm quite happy with my Canon R with RF 24-105 f/4 combo for travel and landscape photography. What's that one thing? Weight. Together, that's 1360 grams, too heavy (for me) to wear with a sling over one shoulder without developing pain. A harness can distribute the weight equally across my upper torso — workable, but dang inconvenient for travel photography.

I was hoping that the rumored R7 would be a high quality but light-weight replacement for my Canon R system. I'm especially disappointed that Canon has decided to "cheap out" on the EVF. EVF's are important to me — photography is visual, and it's through the viewfinder that I connect with my subject. The R's 3.69 million pixels was a satisfactory substitute for a true OVF. The R7 with just 2.36 million pixels is an unacceptable downgrade. I think Jared Polin was spot on when he noted only that the camera "includes an EVF," a pretty low standard.

The other unanswered question: what is the IQ of the RF-S 18-150 lens? I don't see Canon or anyone else hyping its superior optics.

R7 + 18-150 kit — 917 grams.

So while Canon is cheaping out with its entry into mirrorless APS-C, Fuji seems to be going high-end with its Fujifilm X-H2S. An OVF with 5.76 million pixels - the same as Canon's top-of-the-line R3.

And what about the Fujinon XF 18-120mm f/4 lens? That's the unknown, but it would appears, on the surface of things, to offer superior optics than Canon's new 18-150.

X-H2S + 18-120 kit — 1120 grams

I could care less about the video capabilities of either system. Canon's system is lighter but lower quality, but it likely has superior autofocusing. I like and am used to Canon's menu system, but I'm tempted by Fuji instinct to create a top-of-the-line APS-C.

Canon kit - $1900

Fuji kit - $3400 (about 80% more)
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They want FF price plus they want premium dollars for slow Long End Glass.

FUJIFILM XF 150-600mm f/5.6-8 R LM OIS WR Lens

$1,999.00

FUJIFILM X-H2S Mirrorless Camera

$2,499.00

Then there's the issue of the cost of this and other extras

SanDisk 512GB Extreme PRO CFexpress Card Type B

$499.99

So that's 5 grand without even really getting started with you entire Camera Kit. No thanks.
 
BackToNature1 said:
BirdShooter7 said:
Craig Smith said:
Canon is going to sell a zillion R7's.

Reason?

Amazing auto focus for $1499. All the other bells and whistles both of these camera's offer are nice, but nothing makes a camera "less fun" to use than under performing auto focus.

Canon's R3/R5/R6 auto focus system delivers. That system is now available in the R7. When the camera is released later this month, and those that couldn't afford the R3/R5/R6 get their hands on it, heads will explode.

I purchased an R6 last year and I don't want to use any other camera. Just sold all my M kit to buy the R7 as a backup. Reason? Auto focus.
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While I’m sure the R7’s AF is going to be fantastic, Rudy Winston was careful to point out that it isn’t the same as the R3 (no big shock) but it does get a lot…
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I believe Rudy wants to protect/justify the price point of the R3.
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That’s sounds plausible. I do think Canon does “detune” certain features to protect the more premium product lines though so there might actually be something to it.
 
Canon R6 - $2499

Canon RF 100-500 - $2899

Fuji X-H2S - $2499

Fuji 150-600 - $2000

Card - $500

Pretty much a draw for me ....
 
I would definitely get the Canon if I had to choose one to have access to Canon's lenses. It's more than $2000 less than the R5, has similar AF and greater pixel density.
 
If weight is a major consideration, perhaps you are looking at the wrong type of system; perhaps a zoom compact would get the job done.
 
The drawbacks (for me) of Fuji are the terrible menu structure and the fact that the majority of Fuji's lenses have extreme distortion so images have to be "fixed" in software, and never look the same as images from a lens that is optically corrected for distortion..

I did own an X100V for a while and was happy with its portablity, its features and the images it made, but I found the controls too fiddly, especially did not like the old-fashioned shutter release (Among Fujis only the X-H2 gets it right), did not make use of the choice of OVF or EVF and hated the menus.

However I was a happy user of a 7D mark II until very recently (had to sell almost all my Canon equipment to pay some bills). Having previously used 1-series Canons I could not fathom why anyone thought it to be too heavy! For a DSLR with such a tough and weather sealed body it is actually very light.

It looks to me like the R7 is the 7D mark III we had all been waiting for, but that never came. (The 7 in the name is a big clue). It is similarly tough and weather sealed, professionally usable (twin card slots), has an even faster frame rate, AF that can keep up with fast moving subjects, more pixels and an articulating screen. What is not to like?

If weight or price is a problem then the companion R10 seems to fit the bill. It lacks weather sealing. a second card slot and has fewer pixels, but in performance it is almsot identical to its big brother.
 
Most responses have not addressed my concerns.

Current kit: Canon R with RF 24-105 f/4

Plusses: like the images, like the OVF

Minuses: too heavy for my 71 yo shoulders.

Want to transition to an APS-C for a lighter kit.

choices:

Canon R7: very light, but the RP-quality OVF is a step backwards.
Unknown: IQ of the RS 18-150 f/3.5-6.3?

Fuji X-H2S: still pretty light, but the R3-quality OVF is even better

Question: IQ of the XF 18-120 f/4?

I do mostly landscape and travel photography, so the AF is not a big issue. Don’t do any video.
 
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