My OM-1 birds are rubbish

I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
i have same problem.. photos are like out of focus.. Reseted, updated firmware.. no help.. tried almost all settings..
On plain CAF?
Yes . i might test this zuiko 100-400mm with other camera but i dont think thats the problem.
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
i have same problem.. photos are like out of focus.. Reseted, updated firmware.. no help.. tried almost all settings..
Did you try things out before trying almost all settings?
 
You might not know OP knows his lens very well, and he is an expert on the sort of shooting...
No doubt. I was not disparaging anyone's experience, technique or abilities.

I don't know if the OP had eliminated the heat haze possibility because I haven't read all the posts. So many red herrings in a thread such as this.

Joel
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
i have same problem.. photos are like out of focus.. Reseted, updated firmware.. no help.. tried almost all settings..
On plain CAF?
Yes . i might test this zuiko 100-400mm with other camera but i dont think thats the problem.
Well, I got two bad Om1s in a row, and this is my third where I apparently had a firmware glitch and almost returned this third camera.

IMO, its just a buggy camera whatever the issues are. And apparently there are quite a few.

Its like they released an entire lot of cameras with little or no QC.

How does your camera focus in SAF mode?
 
Tammons, didn't you have strange OM-1 (mis)focus problems too just a couple of days ago that you solved by resetting the camera? And if so wouldn't that be something that Trevor might want to try as well? I'm referring to this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66195561

Trevor, the images that you posted are 1600x1200 in size. Are these crops or did you resize them? How do the originals hold up to sharpening? Also, what focus mode did you use, did you enter any AF correction value for C-AF, did you use release priority..?
I converted for 1600 for posting and they show the issue just as well as the full size versions. Sharpening and just about any of the processing that I normallly do little to improve the image. A lot just emphasise the lack of oomph. I didn't enter correction value for CAF, I didn't know it existed until now. I have release priority set for CAF.
Please set your camera for focus priority for CAF!!!!! I think that's your problem here.
Where is this on the Om1 menu?
Menu -> AF -> 1. AF -> Release Priority -> C-AF/C-AF+TR - Off
 
Tammons, didn't you have strange OM-1 (mis)focus problems too just a couple of days ago that you solved by resetting the camera? And if so wouldn't that be something that Trevor might want to try as well? I'm referring to this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66195561

Trevor, the images that you posted are 1600x1200 in size. Are these crops or did you resize them? How do the originals hold up to sharpening? Also, what focus mode did you use, did you enter any AF correction value for C-AF, did you use release priority..?
I converted for 1600 for posting and they show the issue just as well as the full size versions. Sharpening and just about any of the processing that I normallly do little to improve the image. A lot just emphasise the lack of oomph. I didn't enter correction value for CAF, I didn't know it existed until now. I have release priority set for CAF.
Please set your camera for focus priority for CAF!!!!! I think that's your problem here.
Where is this on the Om1 menu?
Menu -> AF -> 1. AF -> Release Priority -> C-AF/C-AF+TR - Off
Got it. I was almost certain that was one of the settings that scrambled my AF. But I tried to recreate the problem, I couldn't.
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
i have same problem.. photos are like out of focus.. Reseted, updated firmware.. no help.. tried almost all settings..
On plain CAF?
Yes . i might test this zuiko 100-400mm with other camera but i dont think thats the problem.
Well, I got two bad Om1s in a row, and this is my third where I apparently had a firmware glitch and almost returned this third camera.

IMO, its just a buggy camera whatever the issues are. And apparently there are quite a few.

Its like they released an entire lot of cameras with little or no QC.

How does your camera focus in SAF mode?
I tried SAF mode also, but was not WOW.. Should i return this to camera shop? i had E-5M mark III before with same lenses and dont have any problem with these lenses.. or focusing or anything...

so im little bit disappointed now because i cant get good results at all..i know its new camera but surely its still very sad..
 
You might not know OP knows his lens very well, and he is an expert on the sort of shooting...
The problem with atmospheric distortion has nothing to do with a shooter's expertise or the quality of their equipment. If heat haze exists, you won't get sharp shots unless you get close enough to the subject to neutralize the problem.

The OP's original post suggested flat contrast and dull output, things not necessarily related to erroneous focus. Despite some of the excessive arm-waving from responders in this thread, I'm not convinced this is a focus issue. The OP should do a lot more testing under more controlled conditions.

. . . Steven
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
i have same problem.. photos are like out of focus.. Reseted, updated firmware.. no help.. tried almost all settings..
On plain CAF?
Yes . i might test this zuiko 100-400mm with other camera but i dont think thats the problem.
Well, I got two bad Om1s in a row, and this is my third where I apparently had a firmware glitch and almost returned this third camera.

IMO, its just a buggy camera whatever the issues are. And apparently there are quite a few.

Its like they released an entire lot of cameras with little or no QC.

How does your camera focus in SAF mode?
I tried SAF mode also, but was not WOW.. Should i return this to camera shop? i had E-5M mark III before with same lenses and dont have any problem with these lenses.. or focusing or anything...

so im little bit disappointed now because i cant get good results at all..i know its new camera but surely its still very sad..
If SAF isnt working correctly I would return it. My first camera had an AF issue and others have had AF issues too.
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
Good advice. When I first got my OM-1 I too made the mistake of trying to mirror the setup in my E-M1 III….yuk. I then realized this is a whole different beast, so reset and first let the camera do it’s thing. Then after a few outings where “I” got retrained, we (me and the camera) began to dance. Now we’re good, actually more than good, particularly with my PL 100-400.

I have about a half dozen friends that went through the same retraining with their OM-1s.
 
What was the weather? I've had similar issues due to cold weather where the sun warms the ground and creates barely visible (to the naked eye) "heat waves" which can make photos soft
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
That's probably good advice. Mine arrives tomorrow and 1st thing I'll do is the 1.1 update. From there experiment to see how it works right out of the box. Then I'll mess with focus box sizes and such. I don't know why but so many complain about tracking a human when I've seen so many Youtube's where it grabs a face and eye and stays right on it. I just need to figure out what magical setting get's that done.
I would not update firmware out of the box. I would let it go a few days.

I had a body fail in the first 24 hours, and because I had updated the firmware, the retailer was not willing to replace it from stock. I had to wait two weeks for an investigation by Olympus before a new body was forthcoming.
 
#2 looks almost like motion blur.
Yes #2 definitely does not look like a focus issue. It's mush all over, nothing is sharp. This is more likely to be caused by some kind of movement: subject/wind, camera shake, shutter shock, lens stabilisation or IBIS. Heat haze could be a factor, but if the two images were taken in the same conditions, that doesn't seem that plausible.

What is doing the stabilisation here, the camera or the lens?

It could be faulty IBIS or an IBIS setting, such as: Menu->Camera 1->8 Image Stabiliser->Image Stabiliser->IS Priority ->Fps Priority

It would not hurt to disable release priority: Menu -> AF -> 1. AF -> Release Priority -> C-AF/C-AF+TR - Off

Perhaps test with all stabilisation off from a tripod or with a timer on solid countertop.
You need more foreground and background to see where the actual area of sharp focus is in #2.

Do you have a meter long ruler you can lay on the feeder? I would reset the camera and shoot another CAF test on the bottle.

Both images have the focus point on the bottle, but obviously #2 is not in focus on the bottle. My first Om1 that was bad did this. It would show the correct focus point but was always front focused about 15-20%. That was on CAF tracking.

That said, have you eliminated IBIS and IS as a problem?
 
I would not update firmware out of the box. I would let it go a few days.

I had a body fail in the first 24 hours, and because I had updated the firmware, the retailer was not willing to replace it from stock. I had to wait two weeks for an investigation by Olympus before a new body was forthcoming.
NO way am I concerned with what you went through. I got it from B&H. If it bricked it would be going right back defective for a full refund and they pay the shipping. One reason I decided to do it at all.
 
I have always enjoyed your bird photos.

Something is wrong and everything is not in focus. What AF were you using. Was it Subject AI or plain C-AF? What size AF area?

Might be some changes you made in setting up the camera. So many people makes changes to the camera without trying out the camera first. I would recommend a reset and then a FW update. Then go out and start using the camera without making any changes, especially to the AF settings. If it works then start making minor fine turning.
Good advice. When I first got my OM-1 I too made the mistake of trying to mirror the setup in my E-M1 III….yuk. I then realized this is a whole different beast, so reset and first let the camera do it’s thing. Then after a few outings where “I” got retrained, we (me and the camera) began to dance. Now we’re good, actually more than good, particularly with my PL 100-400.

I have about a half dozen friends that went through the same retraining with their OM-1s.
I hear ya Gary. I was reading through the manual tonight as mine is coming tomorrow. That sucker scares the bageebers out of me. It's as if I was going to med school for an exam. Crazy detailed with tons to set up and not even knowing what the best setting would be. So I'll be leaving it alone after the firmware update and see how it behaves. I'll be starting off with birds both static and flying so I hope when I set it to animals it get's it.
 
I would not update firmware out of the box. I would let it go a few days.

I had a body fail in the first 24 hours, and because I had updated the firmware, the retailer was not willing to replace it from stock. I had to wait two weeks for an investigation by Olympus before a new body was forthcoming.
NO way am I concerned with what you went through. I got it from B&H. If it bricked it would be going right back defective for a full refund and they pay the shipping. One reason I decided to do it at all.
It's not all about you or me :-). I was expressing concern for buyers in general - the collective, not the individual. The applicability of either approach may depend on circumstances.

I did see one poster here that was reluctant to update firmware at all - perhaps where he lived or purchased it was too risky.
 
Mid afternoon what did you expect?
 
Tammons, didn't you have strange OM-1 (mis)focus problems too just a couple of days ago that you solved by resetting the camera? And if so wouldn't that be something that Trevor might want to try as well? I'm referring to this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66195561

Trevor, the images that you posted are 1600x1200 in size. Are these crops or did you resize them? How do the originals hold up to sharpening? Also, what focus mode did you use, did you enter any AF correction value for C-AF, did you use release priority..?
I converted for 1600 for posting and they show the issue just as well as the full size versions. Sharpening and just about any of the processing that I normallly do little to improve the image. A lot just emphasise the lack of oomph. I didn't enter correction value for CAF, I didn't know it existed until now. I have release priority set for CAF.
Trevor, release priority means the camera prioritises burst speed rather than accurate focus. And can take a shot whether in focus or not.

This may sound silly, but it's probably useful when subject behaviour is more important than detail.
 
Tammons, didn't you have strange OM-1 (mis)focus problems too just a couple of days ago that you solved by resetting the camera? And if so wouldn't that be something that Trevor might want to try as well? I'm referring to this post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66195561

Trevor, the images that you posted are 1600x1200 in size. Are these crops or did you resize them? How do the originals hold up to sharpening? Also, what focus mode did you use, did you enter any AF correction value for C-AF, did you use release priority..?
I converted for 1600 for posting and they show the issue just as well as the full size versions. Sharpening and just about any of the processing that I normallly do little to improve the image. A lot just emphasise the lack of oomph. I didn't enter correction value for CAF, I didn't know it existed until now. I have release priority set for CAF.
Trevor, release priority means the camera prioritises burst speed rather than accurate focus. And can take a shot whether in focus or not.

This may sound silly, but it's probably useful when subject behaviour is more important than detail.
 

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