Chuck6345
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Where should the new R7 be positioned in the Canon line?
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Who cares? What defines a camera are its specs and performances, not the label.
If you read what the R7 is capable of, it is quite impressive. Performances will be confirmed soon by people who actually have the unit in their hand, not random dudes who have no idea what they talking about and are waiting for a camera that will never exist.
It is not a 90D, it is not a 7Dii it is an R7. It does what what you need you buy it. It doesn't do what you need you don't buy it. Simple.
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yerach
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90d!
thus the price ratio:
6dii at launch - 2k$
90d at launch - 1.2k$
= 60%
r6 at launch (well...) - 2.5k$
r7 at launch - 1.5k$
= 60%
bang!
canon obviously sees the 7d concept (aka: "apsc flagship") as dead, and therefore replaced it by the 90d concept, while keeping the neat single digit numbering system (btw canon killed the 7d series in most markets prior to the official migration to mirrorless).
my take is, that had this been a 7d series 1:1 replacement, it should have packed some r3 capabilities, just as those 7d ancestors packed 1d series capabilities at their time, in an r5 grade body, just as those 7d ancestors sported a 5d grade body.
yerach
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you are 100% right!
but a great lot of this forum (and most forums at that...) is made up of "historical philosophical bored fan discussions", and this is one of those!
take it or leave it!
yerach
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what do you care? if you don't like the discussion don't join it...
I think it takes its position as the first R7.
A dual carded, weather sealed body with IBIS and a crop sensor.
This first edition boasts the top of the tree processor with an improved sensor that results in speed both in shooting and AF.Capable of high quality moving pictures as well.
Further firmware could result in even more capability.
R7=R7.
In its own place. Gone are the days of 7Dii and 90D
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Mark B.
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Well it's not a successor to the 7D II. Yes the 15fps mechanical frame rate is a nice boost but given the apparent lack of means for attaching a grip and the strange button layout it doesn't seem to be to be a direct mirrorless replacement. Probably somewhere in between the 90D & 7D II? Or Canon just means it to be a mirrorless crop that's somewhat more advanced than the R10.
i wanted an aps-c camera in memory of my canon 40D, which i loved when i had it. so i couldn't make up my mind which one to go with, 7Dmk2 or 90D. each has its own merit and features. so i opened a thread in this forum and asked the question of "which one". i noticed a gentleman reminded me canon will announce R7/R10 MLCs, tomorrow. and the next day i heard the announcement and what a fabulous news it was.
i am totally impressed by R7 and seems like a dream aps-c for the rest of my life. i do hear lots of chatters about R7 specs but that doesn't mean anything to me until i hold the camera in my hand and test it myself.
i think the IBIS and eye-focusing of R7 are worth the money all by themselves. so, i am very excited and impressed and can't wait to see canon start shipping R7 so i can go to work and put my R7 to work ;-)
the best.
Blue-Shift
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Yeah, the two main things it lacks is a really deep buffer and a full-pro housing with an option for a battery grip.
Obviously things that now only are available for the full-frame flagships.
Obviously things that now only are available for the full-frame flagships.
Croomrider
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Obviously Canon themselves have told us and many just don’t want to believe them. They called it an R7, not an R90 or anything else. That should tell everyone where Canon intended it to be in the lineup.
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The 90D came out over three years ago. The 7DII 8 years ago.
The R7 is better in almost every way than the 7DII (and 90D)....possibly every way. It's faster than every R on the market, but that's not to say there won't be an R8 that is faster some day (BSI sensor with higher electronic shutter frame rates).
This is an R camera. The XXD and 7D bodies are now irrelevant. The 90D was aluminum and FRP. The R7 is magnesium and FRP, which is a more expensive, lighter, stronger body than the 90D. Very similar to the 7DII body.
It's a mix, in other words. R7 is way better than both of them in basically every way, and comparing it to either is utterly pointless.
To adjust your interesting comparison a little bit, just as R6 is in a upper position than 6D2, so is R7 than 90D. That's reason why there are the price gaps.
Canon seems not to be ready to put a stacked sensor into a crop body yet. So they must have decided to make a model between 90D and 7D2. I believe a real mirrorless successor to 7D2 has to have stacked sensor, larger buffer, CF express, better EVF, and optional vertical grip. Nertherless, R7 looks quite pleasing to my eyes with the price considered.
It is surprising that even R10 has the same AF.
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Alastair Norcross
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Well, if we are going to use explosive metaphors, your comparison is clearly blown up by the fact that, while the 6DII was the entry level FF DLSR at launch, the R6 is clearly not an entry level FF mirrorless. That's the RP. The RP was launched at $1300. So, the R7's launch price of $1500 is 115% of the RP. The 7DII at launch was cheaper than the 6DII at launch. So I guess that shows that your mathematical contortions amount to nothing at all in telling us an answer to the rather silly question posed by the OP.
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if the 6 series moved up and the 7 series moved up, maybe this just the generation moving on?... (yes, the r5 is also worlds ahead of the 5d iv)To adjust your interesting comparison a little bit, just as R6 is in a upper position than 6D2, so is R7 than 90D. That's reason why there are the price gaps.
and so for the OP's question: it's a 90d 1 gen. up (therefore it's "successor"), even if it's a rather big leap.
agree!
i guess that's not the "hard to get" feature anymore, in the mirrorless world.
gipper51
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It doesn't have to follow legacy naming lines and product tiers. The industry is constantly evolving, and trying to peg a specific model as the direct replacement for a mount that is phasing out isn't a given. These tiers made more sense in the day when the majority of your lineup was APS-C. Crop sensors models are much more consolidated today.
The R7 is what it is. It's the current APS-C flagship from Canon. Some are happy about the specs, others are disappointed. That's the case on every camera release.
The R7 is what it is. It's the current APS-C flagship from Canon. Some are happy about the specs, others are disappointed. That's the case on every camera release.
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i agree the question is a little silly, but silly questions are sometimes fun to think about... try it!
i think we've argued around this in every thread this comes up in (i like being challenged and you're a great sport!), and i think it boils down to 2 different ways to look at the market, you take a rather traditional view that says "what the teenager breaking his piggybank can buy is entry level", and so a camera costing 2500$ in a lineup that offers sub-1k$ cameras, can't be considered entry level, my take is more apocalyptic, i don't think teenagers are breaking their piggybank to buy cameras anymore, i think cameras have become a more "pro" product, people buy cameras that do things apparently superior to their smartphone camera, and so while mature photographers like us (i'm assuming you're not new to this...) coming from the "dark" days of dslr and film, understand that any modern pro camera (say 2010 an up, maybe) can do MANY things a smartphone can't (besides making us smile...
) , the majority of the market doesn't, and so i think that canon intentionally markets the r6 as the 6 series successor (as the number implies...) as that segment of the old "normal" market has moved there, same goes for the r7, the segment that looked to the 7d series for it's pro features is dead, people get enough pro goodness, and are more than convinced they're getting value vs their smartphone, with the r6, and so the r7 serves the audience that looked to the 90d, while giving "real pro" 7d owners an upgrade too.if you see me with this take somewhere else, and it really gets on your nerves, just write "hi it's me!", and i'll know...
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