The myth of the perfect shot from the first try !

BackToNature1 said:

tbcass said:

Knowing when and when not to shoot bursts is important. It's also important to not substitute burst shooting for being careful, keeping the bursts short to no more than 1 or two seconds. Certainly for landscapes and studio work the photographer should slow down, plan carefully and try to get the best shot every time. If you don't do that shooting bursts will only give you a lot of less than perfect shots or if shooting carefully a lot of the exact same perfect shot. I shoot single when shooting bursts wouldn't be useful.

Click to expand...

I think one perfect example of where Burst shooting is extremely useful, baby Canadian Geese. They are constantly, when on the ground, bobbing their heads, Up and Down when feeding. If the Pre-Release Capture of the Z9 works like I think, that's even more useful. Also, when the bird mating season starts, good luck for anyone trying to one shot all the bird Fights.

Click to expand...

For anything that has movement, burst shooting is always useful.

tbcass said:

BackToNature1 said:

tbcass said:

Knowing when and when not to shoot bursts is important. It's also important to not substitute burst shooting for being careful, keeping the bursts short to no more than 1 or two seconds. Certainly for landscapes and studio work the photographer should slow down, plan carefully and try to get the best shot every time. If you don't do that shooting bursts will only give you a lot of less than perfect shots or if shooting carefully a lot of the exact same perfect shot. I shoot single when shooting bursts wouldn't be useful.

Click to expand...

I think one perfect example of where Burst shooting is extremely useful, baby Canadian Geese. They are constantly, when on the ground, bobbing their heads, Up and Down when feeding. If the Pre-Release Capture of the Z9 works like I think, that's even more useful. Also, when the bird mating season starts, good luck for anyone trying to one shot all the bird Fights.

Click to expand...

For anything that has movement, burst shooting is always useful.

Click to expand...

That might be a reasonable generalization for many folks. It depends upon the nature of the subject, the photographer's ability physical/mentally ability to follow the action and the short term randomness of the subject motion. There are many subjects with strong motion where single frame shooting should yield virtually perfect results. This is predicted on the photographer's skills.

--
Charles Darwin: "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
tony

tony field said:

tbcass said:

For anything that has movement, burst shooting is always useful.

Click to expand...

There are many subjects with strong motion where single frame shooting should could yield virtually perfect results. This is predicted on the photographer's skills.

Click to expand...

I changed should to could in your post. Getting a perfect shot with moving subjects is far more likely when shooting bursts than with single shots. A photographer's skill only goes so far because even the most skillful photographer is far from perfect.

tbcass said:

tony field said:

tbcass said:

For anything that has movement, burst shooting is always useful.

Click to expand...

There are many subjects with strong motion where single frame shooting should could yield virtually perfect results. This is predicted on the photographer's skills.

Click to expand...

I changed should to could in your post. Getting a perfect shot with moving subjects is far more likely when shooting bursts than with single shots. A photographer's skill only goes so far because even the most skillful photographer is far from perfect.

Click to expand...

I remind you tbcass as you very well know, that many talk about being skilled an thus only needing single frame shooting without the benefit and or knowledge of shooting anything outside of but a very narrow range of Genres an or Subject types.

I only do single frame shooting but am quite aware of the huge benefits of shooting far more FPS. Whether one choose either or both has ZERO to do with skill level. It's choice. I love to Manual Focus almost everything if my subject gives me half a chance. But I usually start off with an quick AF shot first.

As AF tracking capabilities get even better, so will shooting bursts which are very useful even now, to the most highly Skilled Photographers.

tbcass said:

tony field said:

tbcass said:

For anything that has movement, burst shooting is always useful.

Click to expand...

There are many subjects with strong motion where single frame shooting should could yield virtually perfect results. This is predicted on the photographer's skills.

Click to expand...

I changed should to could in your post. Getting a perfect shot with moving subjects is far more likely when shooting bursts than with single shots. A photographer's skill only goes so far because even the most skillful photographer is far from perfect.

Click to expand...

As I said, your generalization is appropriate for many folks. However in my experience when I experimented with using 8 to 10 frames per second on my DSLR cameras I found that the ideal shot was usually between two frames and my personal timing was usually more reliable at capturing the the peak action for my interests in various performing Arts and sports. This goes back to the film days.

It turns out that I have a knack of appropriate timing for subjects that I found interesting.

For example, I wanted the rider and horse exactly between the uprights In this shot. Surprisingly, this takes both knack and subject understanding... One frame only


Spruce Meadows

I don't shoot BIF where high frame rate might be very useful.

When shooting manual cameras like the Leica M9, single frame is sufficient.

Quite possibly many people shooting modern mirrorless with frame rates over 20 fps can have great success by pressing the shutter before the peak action and choosing the best of 20 to 40 shots later.

--
Charles Darwin: "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
tony