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FILIP KITTY

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hello, I just bought a second hand Hasselblad 500 CM and want to enjoy again the wonders of analog film photography

I want to use it for black & white only

So I need to buy again a roll of 120 film. What brand/type to you advise? I know, there must be hundreds of post about this but may be you can help with a good proposal? I like punchy black & whites and want to shoot with normal light i.e. DIN 21-22 or ISO 100 to 200

Thanks!
 
hello, I just bought a second hand Hasselblad 500 CM and want to enjoy again the wonders of analog film photography

I want to use it for black & white only

So I need to buy again a roll of 120 film. What brand/type to you advise? I know, there must be hundreds of post about this but may be you can help with a good proposal? I like punchy black & whites and want to shoot with normal light i.e. DIN 21-22 or ISO 100 to 200

Thanks!
Ilford XP2 - box speed is ISO 400 but you can expose at 100 or 200 with no problems (will reduce the grain if anything). Develop in C41 - so standard (and probably cheaper) colour process at most labs.

For samples just search for XP2 on Flickr - it's very nice film
 
Thx Overrank!
 
So I need to buy again a roll of 120 film. What brand/type to you advise? I know, there must be hundreds of post about this but may be you can help with a good proposal? I like punchy black & whites and want to shoot with normal light i.e. DIN 21-22 or ISO 100 to 200
Really hard to recommend one film, as tastes vary so much!

Kodak and Ilford both make a range of very high quality black and white films.

Kodak 400TX (400iso) and Ilford HP5+ (400iso) and FP4+ (125iso) are more classic grain films.

Kodak Tmax 100 and 400, and Ilford Delta 100 and 400 are more modern, 'tabular' grain films.

If you want punchy blacks and whites, I'd recommend either 400TX or HP5+ (with a yellow filter).
 
It depends, do you want grain or not. TMax100 is almost grain free, I really like the film, TriX and HP5+ used at ISO200 will give excellent tonality with a little more grain. Ilford Pan F is another almost grain less film, ISO 50. Are you going to process the film your self? This will give you the best control over your negatives.
 
Welcome!



I recommend the Ilford films -- FP4 (125 speed) and HP5 (400). Cannot go wrong with either, they are lovely emulsions and easy to develop yourself. Most of my 120 is FP4.

If you aren't going to DIY develop, I agree with XP2 -- if C-41 (color) processing is cheaper in your area than B&W, which it probably is.

I haven't tried Kodak Tri-X in 120 -- it's a lot more expensive and in 35mm I prefer HP5 (lies flatter and easier to scan). I don't see the point in T-Max in 120... grain from traditional-grain films is already fine enough for me.

Foma films are nice and they are inexpensive, but I find the film itself is very thin and that makes scanning a bit trickier.

HTH!!

Aaron
 
thx guys for all this input

am I going to develop the film myself? no - I spent a large part of my childhood in the darkroom - great memories but am not going to do that again ;-)

question: I see that some laboratories propose to scan the negatives with 300 dp - is that sufficient?

filip
 
thx guys for all this input

am I going to develop the film myself? no - I spent a large part of my childhood in the darkroom - great memories but am not going to do that again ;-)

question: I see that some laboratories propose to scan the negatives with 300 dp - is that sufficient?

filip
300dpi ? I would expect to scan 120 film at a minimum of 1500 dpi, or 2400 ppi (basing that on the effective resolutions of an Epson V600 and V850). If somewhere is proposing to scan 120 negatives at 300dpi I’d probably go somewhere else.

It sounds a bit low though - are you sure that’s what they’re proposing ? Sometimes the output might say 300dpi as a print resolution but it was scanned much higher than that
 
The 300dpi or ppi, comes from your final print size. So if your final print size is 10x10 inches, 3000 pixels on each side, you would want to scan at 1333ppi,16 inches per side scan at 2133ppi, since neither of these is a regular scanner setting, a scan at 1200ppi,1800ppi or 2400ppi would be fine. When I put 2 1/4 images on line, display on a monitor, I generally use 1200ppi for 2 1/4.
 
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If you're not interested in your own developing, then yes, Overrank's suggestion of Ilford XP2 super is a good place to start. Finding good lab for processing for B&W film is much more difficult than a C-41 (color print film) lab.

For that matter, you could shoot Kodak Gold 200, and convert to B&W with your favorite photo editor, then you'd have color negatives, if you were ever interested.

300 dpi doesn't sound right-- you could do better than that with a light table and an iPhone. An Epson V600 costs $249 on Amazon, and does 6400 x 9600 dpi.
 
Fomapan 100, for your punchy tones. The 120 version of this film just looks amazing.
 
You might want to look at this:


Although he uses Adox 35, I can only assume the 120 version would be nice.....and you can process yourself and scanned/copied can be further tweaked.
 
I'd like to thank everybody for having given value input to my initial question. Sorry about the DPI error.

I finally tested 2 x 120 films: Ilford FP4 (100 Asa) and HP5 (400)

I am very happy with the results of the first one but disappointed with the second one. I added 1 picture of my daughter & grandhiled (FP4) and another with my father & son (HP5).

The HP5 has low contrast but I admit that the light inside wasn't great. The FP 4 pictures were with strong outside light thru the windows, and maybe they are also a little bit sharper.

I have now bought a Tmax 400 and an Acros 100 for additional tests.

Regards,

F.



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If you like the results, you're set. I tend to like TMax 100 or 400, but it is just from battling grain for years, film choice is a personnal preference. I tried Fomapan 100 and didn't like it as much as TMax100, it had marvelous mid tones but I like the way it handled skies vs TMax, all personnal preference.
 
My absolute favorite black and white film from Kodak, Plus-X Pan Professional, has been discontinued. Fine enough grain but rich contrast in the shadows, actually throughout the tonal range and just a beautiful emulsion. So many of my well known portraits were on Plus-X. Ilford FP4 is pretty close, but T-Max100 developed in T-Max developer and drum scanned is just fabulous. And then Tri-X is a film with such a great tonal range and perfect for hand held street photography, environmental portraits and times when you're using an orange or red filter and need the extra speed. I love shooting Tri-X in a Holga or Diana with a Red 25A filter taped over the lens. The red filter absorbs three stops of light and makes the Holga give you an almost perfect exposure in sunlight.

No scanner, not even the most expensive drum scanners deliver the resolution that they advertise but some are better than others, and the person operating the scanning actually does make a difference. I've had two, well, three drum scanners starting with a Howtek 4500 and now using a Howtek Hi-Resolve 8000 and generally scan all 35mm film either at 4000 ppi or 8000 ppi if it happens to be a super fine grained and shot with a sharp lens. 120 film is generally scanned at 4000 ppi, or about 650 mb's for a 16bit per channel RGB scan. 4x5's either at 4000, 2667 or 2000 ppi. Drum scanners only scan at specific resolutions that are defined primarily by the size of the rotating aperture wheel behind the lens. The wheel doesn't rotate during the scan, only moves when you tell it to, when you're setting up the scan. And I mention this because it matters when you're scanning color negs to override the auto aperture settings and choose a larger aperture setting that matches the grain structure of the color neg film. Most drum scanner operators still don't know how to do this and is a big part of why their scans usually suck.

It's also possible, if you have a hi-res digital camera and a good macro lens, to copy your film and make pretty good scans that way.
 
I'd like to thank everybody for having given value input to my initial question. Sorry about the DPI error.

I finally tested 2 x 120 films: Ilford FP4 (100 Asa) and HP5 (400)

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I have now bought a Tmax 400 and an Acros 100 for additional tests.
I'm also a big fan of the FP4 + HP5 combination in medium format. With 35mm I think they're a bit too grainy and like to stick to the Ilford Delta films but on the large negatives of medium format that grain is less pronounced and I like the contrast.
And since my camera can only shoot as fast as 1/500sec I need to be much more careful about the right ISO for the job since I can't just pop in 400 speed and expect the shutter to keep up on a sunny day.

And I loved Acros the one time I shot it on 35mm but have never tried it with medium format. It's great but just so expensive!!!
 

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