I’m asking which one to use because what I want is a consistency between what is printed, what is viewable on the Internet, and what is viewed on a monitor whether they are viewing it on Adobe RGB or SRGB gamut.I have a mind to edit in sRGB but save in Adobe RGB. Would that work? The point is I want prints and web pages and contest judges to see an image that is consistent.
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Yeah, not going to do that. I just did some reading on the Window Color System (WCS), enough to reinforce my confidence in the alternate I use, LIttleCMS. I'll continue to do my own specifically-tuned convert-to-device and blat that rendition straight to the screen...That is what normally happens.
For example - a browser converts an image to sRGB if required and then sends it to the screen and so the OS converts the colours in the browser's image to the screens colour space according to the screen's profile. The screens colour space will either be a Windows default colour space or a customised profile/colour space by the user.
Source: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/using/setting-color-management.html
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Not really....just a matter of how for from sRGB the Adobe RGB image is and what will stand out. For me...it's usually about the reds
But you're converting AdobeRGB to sRGB, using an unknown method that may not be optimal for that particular system, as the system then needs to convert sRGB to the display profile.
If that system even has one.
Full sRGB gamut on a display is still the exception and not the rule. It is easy for photographers here to forget that; most computer users will give you an utterly blank stare if you inquire "What is the gamut response of your display??". Most people work with business-level displays due to cost and availability, and those average around 77% or so of sRGB response; it is pretty safe to say that the 3 top selling laptops on Amazon aren't much better than that.
and maybe it is optimal. I'm a glass half-full person
All systems should have at least an OS assigned default screen profile as I showed earlier.
So far I have no colour concerns with the way browsers are converting my Adobe RGB images to sRGB on my and other people's screens, even here in the DPR forums
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How would you know this interesting data point? A person looking at your photo 1/2-way around the world, on a 77% non-calibrated sRGB monitor, wouldn't know anything of what they [aren't] seeing unless they compare it, side-by-side, to your original to know intent.So far I have no colour concerns with the way browsers are converting my Adobe RGB images to sRGB on my and other people's screens, even here in the DPR forums
From the feedback, verbal and in posts etc, from here on DPR and elsewhere on the InternetHow would you know this interesting data point?So far I have no colour concerns with the way browsers are converting my Adobe RGB images to sRGB on my and other people's screens, even here in the DPR forums
That doesn't concern me.
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Which is exactly why the feedback...doesn't mean much.From the feedback, verbal and in posts etc, from here on DPR and elsewhere on the InternetHow would you know this interesting data point?So far I have no colour concerns with the way browsers are converting my Adobe RGB images to sRGB on my and other people's screens, even here in the DPR forums
That doesn't concern me.
Humans get accustomed to their surroundings. A viewer used to seeing only 77% of the sRGB spectrum out of their monitors will not see any difference between the presentation of Image A and Image B, even though one might be more saturated or fung contain a wider gamut... because the monitor can't display the differences anyway.
So you are trying to prove your discussion point as definitive by quoting sources who are unaware of the biases of their systems. This is not a good position to stake a claim.
And yet you haven't posted anything that shows why it should be a concern for me
I assume you are directing your opinions at everyone on the Internet who work in larger colour spaces than sRGB for their specific needs and not just at me ;-)
I am happy with way browsers convert my Adobe RGB images to sRGB.
But thanks for your opinions on what you think does and does not concern me.
I assume you are directing your opinions at everyone on the Internet who work in larger colour spaces than sRGB for their specific needs and not just at me ;-)
I am happy with way browsers convert my Adobe RGB images to sRGB.
But thanks for your opinions on what you think does and does not concern me.
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No problem, I knew you'd play this type of attitude so I already had a reply planned.And yet you haven't posted anything that shows why it should be a concern for me
I assume you are directing your opinions at everyone on the Internet who work in larger colour spaces than sRGB for their specific needs and not just at me ;-)
I am happy with way browsers convert my Adobe RGB images to sRGB.
But thanks for your opinions on what you think does and does not concern me.
What do you think of this file from the web?
The image is posted, right here.
Your question "What do you think of this file from the web?" implied it was originally posted somewhere else on the Internet.
It is irrelevant to the discussion.
Your claim is "So far I have no colour concerns with the way browsers are converting my Adobe RGB images to sRGB on my and other people's screens, even here in the DPR forums", with 'proof' "[f]rom the feedback, verbal and in posts etc, from here on DPR and elsewhere on the Internet."
Therefore, according to you, it is unnecessary to "authenticate" an image in order to accept the way a browser is both (possibly) converting an image gamut and displaying it.
So, all you need to accept is that this image is posted for your inspection. How does it look?
Yes that is correct.
I have posted many Adobe RGB photos here on DPR in the Samples Gallery Forum and in the Landscape and Travel forum.
Browsers have done a very good job converting my photos to sRGB and so I have no concerns with how they appear in various browsers.
Feel free to post any reasons you believe I should be concerned about how browsers have converted any of my photos here to sRGB.
Doesn't that depend on if an image is set up to support anyone's particular agenda?
I would have tried different compositions to see which works best. This composition looks too much like a "snapshot" to me. I would have set up a deeper DOF for that particular shot.
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Ok, that's fair. If one isn't concerned with dead accuracy, that is the publisher of the piece is OK with variations in presentation as long as the overall gist of the intended message comes across, then fine handling of the profile is not necessary.
The point of debate is that there is always an "agenda" when humans communicate between one another. The question is how accurately we are communicating the intent of our message.
The image is rigged - the colors have been modified in certain ways to intentionally, yet subtly, alter the look via manipulations of both gamut and mappings.It was an example of what can happen if you do not understand and manage colors in the digital realm. We didn't have this problem with print, viewers saw a final, and immutable, output of the workflow. In digital the "workflow" is constantly being altered by the very hardware designed to handle it - there is no "absolute" in color. So every system can, and does, alter the presentation of images to suit its own abilities.
The idea of color profiles is to, at least, give a foundation of a common idea of workable numbers, what numbers in RGB should mean in a 'common tongue'. If we aren't rigid in understanding each other system's ' color language', we're OK with knowing they'll be variations, then profiles don't mean much.
So, have a great day!
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If you are not concerned with dead accuracy, and merely want pleasing color, then there is no need to go to the extra effort of Adobe RGB.
If you want to maximize the chances that the viewer will the colors specified by the file, then you are better off using sRGB.
Had you read through what I posted earlier you would have seen that I do not photograph products or company logos.
I use Adobe RGB for other reasons apart from online display and modern browsers do a great job converting my Adobe RGB photos to sRGB.
I have no concerns with browsers' colour management. They work very well with my photos. That is all I was ever saying
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