I’m asking which one to use because what I want is a consistency between what is printed, what is viewable on the Internet, and what is viewed on a monitor whether they are viewing it on Adobe RGB or SRGB gamut.I have a mind to edit in sRGB but save in Adobe RGB. Would that work? The point is I want prints and web pages and contest judges to see an image that is consistent.
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I still convert to sRGB, but that doesn't solve the problem of widespread poor calibration of monitors.
I do exactly the opposite.
Good luck with that. I would presume that their monitors are calibrated, but even then I see differences between my two monitors.
There are those who believe you will get the best possible results if you post process in wide gamut, Prophoto, and then convert for printing or the internet. For my purposes, I have decided to post process in Adobe RBG since that roughly matches my printer capabilties. On rare occasions, an Adobe RBG file viewed on the internet will appear somewhat washed out. To avoid that I convert to sRBG for the internet. That step is pretty convenient because I also typically need to downsize and I save internet files as jpegs instead of my usual tiff format.
What you see on print will never match what you see on the internet or your monitor. Reflected light will always appear different than transmitted light.
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Why?
Mark S Abeln
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Both those threads are locked. Not a good sign.
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Printers will often have primaries that exceed both sRGB and Adobe RGB. If you want to preserve intense colors—particular flowers and deep blue skies—then edit in an even larger color space, such as ProPhoto RGB. it may be prudent to edit in 16 bit mode if possible. To be really sure that I preserve colors, I'll use Photoshop's "Gamut Warning" feature, using the printer and paper profile.
Printer primary colors are typically hues that correspond to RGB secondary colors: cyan, magenta, and yellow, as well as strongly-hued shadows that can't be reproduced in typical RGB color spaces. But printers will do poorly with the RGB primaries of red, green, and blue.
So I start with a raw file, and then process image destined for print and display separately. For display use I use sRGB, and for print I use ProPhoto RGB. The coloration and tonality will be so different between the two that it makes sense to do them separately.
I would not start with sRGB and then convert to Adobe RGB, since the image will already lack the colors that Adobe RGB adds.
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Also good info for the OP. Thanks
Which printers are you using? When I ordered in the past, the printer always wanted 8 bit, sRGB files. I just checked with Bay Photo who I have used in the past. Yup, 8 bit, sRGB.
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Yes, that is a shame. I would guess that most folks don't have color management set up right, and there is lots of wastage or reworking of prints. There are labs that do provide profiles for their printers and papers, such as the one I sometimes use, Diversified Lab of St. Louis, Missouri.
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They're both from the same thread. Like so many topics at DPR, it can be contentious (indeed, far too many topics are unnecessarily contentious here, but I digress). That thread being locked serves as a cautionary tale for this thread.
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If you edit in sRGB, there is nothing to be gained by saving in Adobe RGB. You get neither the benefit of a Adobe RGB's larger color gamut, nor the compatibility of sRGB.
If your goal is consistency to the widest possible audience, edit in sRGB and save in SRGB.
Remember, even if the viewer has a properly color managed system, you can't control how the a wider color gamut in your image will be squeezed into the smaller color gamut of the judge's monitor or printer.
For the most consistent results, and the most control over your colors, use the smallest colorspace that contains all the colors you want in your image.
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This is a sometimes useful test image.
If you can't see the instagram logo, you are in sRGB
If you try editing, saving, exporting this image you will quickly tell if you are losing gamut or have inconsistent appearance.
If you can't see the instagram logo, you are in sRGB
If you try editing, saving, exporting this image you will quickly tell if you are losing gamut or have inconsistent appearance.
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I do a lot of home printing so I process my raw files in Adobe RGB and then stick with it for all purposes.
All modern web browsers are colour managed now and use sRGB as their working colour space by default.
The important thing, especially if your images were not created in sRGB, is to embed the working colour space that was used to create the image into the exif of the jpeg that will viewed online. This way web browsers can correctly convert the colours from the working colour space they were created in to sRGB and so display the colours correctly.
If the colour space is not embedded in the jpeg's exif, the browser will assume it to be sRGB. If it actually was sRGB then no harm is done but if the colour space was Adobe RGB or even the much larger ProPhoto then you will probably wonder why your images don't look right in the browser..
No. Since Adobe RGB is larger than sRGB you gain nothing by saving sRGB to Adobe RGB
Make sure you get a good grasp of the concepts of colour management in the workflow including the proper calibration and profiling of monitors and profiling of printers.
And make sure you embed the working colour space used to create images in all your output jpegs,tifs etc.
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Suppose all the colors in your image fit into the sRGB workspace, but you have chosen to deliver an Adobe RGB file.
The viewer has a properly color managed, calibrate workflow, and their monitor's gamut exactly matches sRGB.
How do you control how the view maps your Adobe RGB image into the sRGB workspace?
If they have set their environment to show the closest available color, then they will see correct colors for your image, but they will lose details on images that contain colors outside the sRGB gamut.
If they have set their workspace to map the image's Adobe RGB colorspace into sRGB, then the colors they see may be a little off (especially if they are near the edge of the sRGB gamut).
On the other hand, if you deliver them an sRGB file, then they will always see the correct colors in their color managed workspace.
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If you want to maximize the chances that your viewer will see correct colors, use the smallest gamut colorspace that can contain the image.
Unless you know exactly what you are doing, stay with sRGB. With the web in mind, even more.
Exactly the other way around (but Adobe products edit in an even larger space than that, without making it obvious).
sRGB.
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If you're selling photos online, the decision is clear: sRGB, and don't look back. Adobe color space is just going to complicate your life.
I wrote a blog post explaining why:
I wrote a blog post explaining why:
sirhawkeye64
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I would use Adobe RGB.
You won't gain anything back though going from sRGB to Adobe RGB as the extra color information Adobe RGB would be lost when you saved the image in the sRGB color space. You may get some more accurate colors, but the more finer colors found in Adobe RGB would be discarded and thus I think your printer would have to try to calculate what a color MIGHT be from the sRGB color space. I would start in Adobe RGB. I have mine set to shoot Adobe RGB but I think in the camera this only impacts the embedded JPEG preview, and the JPEG file recorded (if you use OOC JPEGs), but not the RAW file (because RAW files don't have a color space associated with them from what I know).
So basically, i have my camera set to shoot Adobe RGB. I have Lightroom and Photoshop set to ProPhoto RGB and then I export into whatever color space I need to based on output (print or screen/web use).
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Michael Fryd
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Adobe RGB does not provide "better colors" for those colors in the sRGB gamut. In fact, it actually has slightly less precision in that range. However, the difference is small enough that it usually isn't a problem.
The advantage of Adobe RGB is that you have the option of using some some slightly more saturated colors (mostly greens). if you need/want those colors in your image, then use Adobe RGB. If those colors don't appear in your image, then there is no advantage to Adobe RGB. There are only disadvantages to using a wider than necessary colorspace.
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