New noise reduction king!

Sorry, Cassandra, I didn't intend to disable profile or filter saving.

I've fixed it in the code already. I'm in the middle of fixing the K6/old Celeron bug, too, so hopefully I can post a new version tomorrow
morning with all of this in it.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Jim Christian
PictureCode
I downloaded the trial version of Noise Ninja, printed a
calibration chart and photographed it in order to create a noise
profile for my camera (Fuji Finepix 6900z). However when I
attempted to save my noise profile in the program, it said I needed
to purchase the license first. How can I try out the program if it
won't let me save my profile?

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
 
I do usually studio work .. sort of semi pro
as far as budget goes I think I have more budget than
most pros but would not shell out $99 .. no way ..
I use Neat Image (legal license and paid my share ) to
pay for another one it gotta be within reason ..
Neat Image is very good but slow .. so what.. I have
12 computers running in studio and production ..
there is always one availabel for batching ...

I did not buy the Kodak SHO Pro .. why ? 99$ is way out
I bought Adobe Camera Raw .. 99$ for cr@p .. that was the
last time Ill ever spend 99$ on a plugin ..

I have all I need and am only willing to add or replace if
price is right .. my take is 49.95 for a pro/plugin version
and youll get my money without hesitating .. I think
50$ is the threashhold for many people .. and by the way
all my stuff is tax deductable .. nevertheless ..

I use Qimage ... piece of sh.t as far as interface is concerned
but does a job well .. and I just don't worry because the price
was ok .. If I had payed 99$ I would be really pi..ed with the
interface ...

You produce an optional add on .. the get the volume be
attractive don't price yourself out of the market ...

Hope this helps
gmd
(above are standalone only)

$70 for standalone and plug-in versions
My advice would be home license $20 and pro $40. I know this has
cut the price by a fair bit, but I think that is why Qimage has
been so successful. Sure there are serials floating around the
internet for Qimage..but why bother for such a great price. You
don't want to price yourself out of the market. If this product
takes off then there will be other products offering the same
features for half the price. You need market share now.

Just my 2 cents
Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!
--
More time would make me even happier.

 
Thanks Jim. No rush.
One more q: Will I need to do an uninstall/reinstall?

Cassandra
Thanks for pointing this out.

Jim Christian
PictureCode
I downloaded the trial version of Noise Ninja, printed a
calibration chart and photographed it in order to create a noise
profile for my camera (Fuji Finepix 6900z). However when I
attempted to save my noise profile in the program, it said I needed
to purchase the license first. How can I try out the program if it
won't let me save my profile?

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
 
This is a cool product. I think though the author is trying to skim the pro market and cannot see the forest for the trees. 99.9% of all digcam users are NOT pros, so why market a new tool to the pros? Makes no sense. People on my street know about noise is dig pics...so they head on over to google.com and search for how to fix it. Guess what comes up time after time....Neat Image. Noise Ninga needs to take that into consideration. Fact is most people will get Neat Image on reputation alone. Noise Ninja needs to break into the field by offering a competitive price...it needs to as it is an unproven product. $99 is a bit much. I think my post on price was fair.

$30 home
$50 pro

$70 plug-in when available.

I loved what I saw so far in this prog. but not $100 worth. I really hope the authot has a change of heart on this one.
I did not buy the Kodak SHO Pro .. why ? 99$ is way out
I bought Adobe Camera Raw .. 99$ for cr@p .. that was the
last time Ill ever spend 99$ on a plugin ..

I have all I need and am only willing to add or replace if
price is right .. my take is 49.95 for a pro/plugin version
and youll get my money without hesitating .. I think
50$ is the threashhold for many people .. and by the way
all my stuff is tax deductable .. nevertheless ..

I use Qimage ... piece of sh.t as far as interface is concerned
but does a job well .. and I just don't worry because the price
was ok .. If I had payed 99$ I would be really pi..ed with the
interface ...

You produce an optional add on .. the get the volume be
attractive don't price yourself out of the market ...

Hope this helps
gmd
(above are standalone only)

$70 for standalone and plug-in versions
My advice would be home license $20 and pro $40. I know this has
cut the price by a fair bit, but I think that is why Qimage has
been so successful. Sure there are serials floating around the
internet for Qimage..but why bother for such a great price. You
don't want to price yourself out of the market. If this product
takes off then there will be other products offering the same
features for half the price. You need market share now.

Just my 2 cents
Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!
--
More time would make me even happier.

 
I would like to know that too. Need to reenter the keys?

Uwe
 
The keys should persist across installations. (I've installed & reinstalled on a test machine several times and have not needed to re-enter the keys.)

Yes, you'll need to uninstall/reinstall.

At some point I might look into using patches instead of full installs, but I don't want to introduce to many new variables at once right now. Windows already provides enough variables to make things interesting. :-)

-- Jim
I would like to know that too. Need to reenter the keys?

Uwe
 
Also, if anyone is encountering an "External Exception C000001D"
when they try to build a profile, please let me know the details
of your machine. (The only data point I have so far is for an
AMD K6-2, which gives me a clue about the possible problem,
but I'd like to know if anyone else is seeing this.)
I'm getting those when I try to use the eyedropper to build a profile via sampling color noise. My machine is based on an Asus A7V MB with an Athlon Thunderbird 800 MHz CPu (about three years old). No problem when sampling noise by frequency.

thanks...aa.
 
I find the trial version a great sales tool to explore the behavior and limitations of this program. I really like the product potential and I am near to purchase. However, one of the most desirable features to set this program apart from the other one I currently have, "the touch up," will not hold it's actions. I enlarged the image to 400% as worked the brush and as I pass the brush over a filtered image to further isolate and filter specific areas, the touch up further filters the selected image, but then soon returns unfiltered pixels shortly after the pass. I confirmed this by selecting the separte luminance and color channels, and it was more obvious.

Is the capability of the touch up brush just functional for a previously unfiltered image? Am I missing a move that is required on a filtered image that I am unaware of?

This can be one great package if the bugs can be worked out. Have you addressed the updates / upgrades policy? I admire the fact that you have thrown yourself to these dogs.

Thanks, woof woof!
 
PictureCode,

In the Mac market, buyers appreciate getting as much out of the system as possible (we pay enough!), and that means taking advantage of the G5, Altivec, multiprocessors, Applescript, and Photoshop plugin. You probably already know this, but, if you aren't aware of it, most of the development info can be had at:

http://developer.apple.com/

Good luck and looking forward Noise Ninja Mac.

tom
A Mac port will probably be the highest development priority once
the launch of the Windows version settles down. At this point,
I can't commit to a date -- probably a few months at least.
It will depend in part on how quickly the Windows version reaches
a sustainable levels of sales. (Mac users, tell all your Windows
friends to buy Noise Ninja :-) ).

Jim Christian
PictureCode
http://www.picturecode.com
 
I believe I've fixed this. I posted an update a few minutes ago.

The problem only occurs on old CPUs that don't support SSE instructions -- for instance, pre-XP Athlons, K6-2, Pentium II, and old Celerons.

I couldn't locate a machine with one of those processors to verify the fix (they're quite rare nowadays, and the two machines I found were disfunctional). But I have some test code that pretends it's a non-SSE processor, and I think I found all the bad calls and fixed them.

If anyone tries the update on one of these old CPUs, please let me know if everything seems okay.

Sorry for the speedbump, and thanks for your patience.

-- Jim
Also, if anyone is encountering an "External Exception C000001D"
when they try to build a profile, please let me know the details
of your machine. (The only data point I have so far is for an
AMD K6-2, which gives me a clue about the possible problem,
but I'd like to know if anyone else is seeing this.)
I'm getting those when I try to use the eyedropper to build a
profile via sampling color noise. My machine is based on an Asus
A7V MB with an Athlon Thunderbird 800 MHz CPu (about three years
old). No problem when sampling noise by frequency.

thanks...aa.
 
First, let me try to explain how the brush works in case it isn't already clear.

After filtering, you'll have both the original image and the filtered image in separate viewing buffers.

You apply the Noise Brush to the filtered image. What it does is blend pixels in the filtered image with pixels from the original image. If you set the strength high enough, or paint over the same area several times, eventually the filtered pixels are completely replaced by the original pixels.

(Or, perhaps only the luminance or chroma values, depending on what options you select.)

The modified pixels are remembered, so you can reverse the action. Again, you paint on the filtered image. But now, the remembered filtered pixel values are blended back in. With sufficient strength or repeated strokes, the filtered values are completely restored.

In effect, the brush provides a gradual and localized "undo" "redo" operation on the filtered image. So, the brush isn't actually filtering,
it's just blending between the two buffers.


So, I think there are two possibilities: One, you think the brush is filtering when it is actually "unfiltering", or just blending between the original and filtered images. Two, if you go back to the Filter page and then re-filter, all the touch-up changes will be lost.

Let me know whether the above explanation helped. If not, contact me by email and we can go through it step-by-step to make sure both of us are doing and seeing the same things.

-- Jim
I find the trial version a great sales tool to explore the behavior
and limitations of this program. I really like the product
potential and I am near to purchase. However, one of the most
desirable features to set this program apart from the other one I
currently have, "the touch up," will not hold it's actions. I
enlarged the image to 400% as worked the brush and as I pass the
brush over a filtered image to further isolate and filter specific
areas, the touch up further filters the selected image, but then
soon returns unfiltered pixels shortly after the pass. I confirmed
this by selecting the separte luminance and color channels, and it
was more obvious.

Is the capability of the touch up brush just functional for a
previously unfiltered image? Am I missing a move that is required
on a filtered image that I am unaware of?

This can be one great package if the bugs can be worked out. Have
you addressed the updates / upgrades policy? I admire the fact that
you have thrown yourself to these dogs.

Thanks, woof woof!
 
This is a cool product. I think though the author is trying to
skim the pro market and cannot see the forest for the trees. 99.9%
of all digcam users are NOT pros, so why market a new tool to the
pros? Makes no sense. People on my street know about noise is dig
pics...so they head on over to google.com and search for how to fix
it. Guess what comes up time after time....Neat Image. Noise
Ninga needs to take that into consideration. Fact is most people
will get Neat Image on reputation alone. Noise Ninja needs to
break into the field by offering a competitive price...it needs to
as it is an unproven product. $99 is a bit much. I think my post
on price was fair.

$30 home
$50 pro

$70 plug-in when available.

I loved what I saw so far in this prog. but not $100 worth. I
really hope the authot has a change of heart on this one.
Just look at how many copies Magne Nilsen sold of his C1 Etc profiles for the 10D when he priced them at a mere $20. There's a market of literally hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of digital photography enthusiasts who will pay up to $50 for a product that's not too crippled (must have 16 bit support and some batch capability); obviously, the lower you price it, the more sales it will generate (and thus the more word of mouth marketing). Fred Miranda's popular actions at $15 apiece are another good example of pricing that works in this market.

Pricing must also take into account the many thousands of users who have already paid for NeatImage and who would not bother shelling out another $99 for a noise filter even if it is slightly better.

I'd go with just two prices:

$40 - standard version

$25 more for plug-in and unlimited batch capability

Dan
 
Likewise for multithreading -- Noise Ninja processes
images in
a way that ought to be reasonably straightforward to convert
to multiple threads.
Very happy to hear this, Jim!

I agree that most folks have or will have PIV processors with hyper-threading.

Dan
 
This is a cool product. I think though the author is trying to
skim the pro market and cannot see the forest for the trees. 99.9%
of all digcam users are NOT pros, so why market a new tool to the
pros? Makes no sense. People on my street know about noise is dig
pics...so they head on over to google.com and search for how to fix
it. Guess what comes up time after time....Neat Image. Noise
Ninga needs to take that into consideration. Fact is most people
will get Neat Image on reputation alone. Noise Ninja needs to
break into the field by offering a competitive price...it needs to
as it is an unproven product. $99 is a bit much. I think my post
on price was fair.

$30 home
$50 pro

$70 plug-in when available.

I loved what I saw so far in this prog. but not $100 worth. I
really hope the authot has a change of heart on this one.
Just look at how many copies Magne Nilsen sold of his C1 Etc
profiles for the 10D when he priced them at a mere $20. There's a
market of literally hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of
digital photography enthusiasts who will pay up to $50 for a
product that's not too crippled (must have 16 bit support and some
batch capability); obviously, the lower you price it, the more
sales it will generate (and thus the more word of mouth marketing).
Fred Miranda's popular actions at $15 apiece are another good
example of pricing that works in this market.

Pricing must also take into account the many thousands of users who
have already paid for NeatImage and who would not bother shelling
out another $99 for a noise filter even if it is slightly better.

I'd go with just two prices:

$40 - standard version

$25 more for plug-in and unlimited batch capability

Dan
 
This is a cool product. I think though the author is trying to
skim the pro market and cannot see the forest for the trees. 99.9%
of all digcam users are NOT pros, so why market a new tool to the
pros? Makes no sense. People on my street know about noise is dig
pics...so they head on over to google.com and search for how to fix
it. Guess what comes up time after time....Neat Image. Noise
Ninga needs to take that into consideration. Fact is most people
will get Neat Image on reputation alone. Noise Ninja needs to
break into the field by offering a competitive price...it needs to
as it is an unproven product. $99 is a bit much. I think my post
on price was fair.

$30 home
$50 pro

$70 plug-in when available.

I loved what I saw so far in this prog. but not $100 worth. I
really hope the authot has a change of heart on this one.
Just look at how many copies Magne Nilsen sold of his C1 Etc
profiles for the 10D when he priced them at a mere $20. There's a
market of literally hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of
digital photography enthusiasts who will pay up to $50 for a
product that's not too crippled (must have 16 bit support and some
batch capability); obviously, the lower you price it, the more
sales it will generate (and thus the more word of mouth marketing).
Fred Miranda's popular actions at $15 apiece are another good
example of pricing that works in this market.

Pricing must also take into account the many thousands of users who
have already paid for NeatImage and who would not bother shelling
out another $99 for a noise filter even if it is slightly better.

I'd go with just two prices:

$40 - standard version

$25 more for plug-in and unlimited batch capability

Dan
 
Okay folks, after watching all the debate around here for the last few days, I've decided to drop prices on Noise Ninja. $69 for Pro edition, $29 for Home edition.

If it stimulates demand (as measured by total sales and sales-to-download ratio), then I'll keep the prices at these levels. When the PhotoShop plug-in arrives, it will probably create a new tier, or it will be an additional product, I'll figure that out when we get to that point.

If the prices stick,then I'll try to think of a way to make it up to those adventerous souls who bought early. It might take me several weeks to sort it all out.

Also, I have created an online forum on the PictureCode website, located at http://www.picturecode.com/forum Hopefully that will help centralize some of the discussions so I can more easily stay engaged in them. Please try to use those forums for feature requests, bug reports, and other topics where you expect a reply from me.

Again, thanks everyone for the support and feedback so far. Let's keep this thing rolling forward.

By the way, my responses during the next few days might be a bit spurious -- I have several things going on that I need to attend to.

-- Jim
 

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