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I've already got a Fotasy helicoid and M42 adapter for my D800 which seem to work just fine. Now I'm shopping for adapters to go with a Sony A7II and I'm thinking a bit more about the potential reflective surfaces within the adapters.

Does anyone have any pointers on whether these adapters are decent enough? They do seem very simliar to the cheapest ebay adapters, so I can't really tell if there's a difference on pictures alone.
 
My Fotasy adapters don't have any flocking inside like those expensive adapters. It merely has what looks to be CNC milling marks that are anodized black like the rest of the body of the adapter. I can't say I have had issues with internal reflections, but its always a possibility.

You could always add 3M felt tape to the inside if it helps. I sometimes think about doing it, but its very difficult to cut out the proper shape, and always wondered whether the felt on the tape would degrade and get on the camera sensor and shutter.
 
Thanks for the reply, I've been reading through the different descriprions and notice that a few say they have a matte finish inside the helicoid. I might just ask the seller about this as well.
 
Thanks for the reply, I've been reading through the different descriprions and notice that a few say they have a matte finish inside the helicoid. I might just ask the seller about this as well.
You might be interested in K&F Concept Pro adapters . They advertise as having anti-reflective coatings inside in the adapter.
 
Thanks for the reply, I've been reading through the different descriprions and notice that a few say they have a matte finish inside the helicoid. I might just ask the seller about this as well.
You might be interested in K&F Concept Pro adapters . They advertise as having anti-reflective coatings inside in the adapter.
I have been looking at them, they cost twice as much as Fotasy adapters. But in the end it might be worth it. At some point I would like adapters for a range of different mounts, but as a starter at least M42, M39, PK, NIK F and possibly T2. But I own a 3D printer, so making my own isn't an issue either for the more "advanced" adaptive lenses I have.

Also, comparing the K&F M39 and M42 adapters, they seem vastly different.. I thought they barely had any difference, could it be that it's a L39 adapter and not a M39? They're a bit different right?
 
My Fotasy adapters don't have any flocking inside like those expensive adapters. It merely has what looks to be CNC milling marks that are anodized black like the rest of the body of the adapter. I can't say I have had issues with internal reflections, but its always a possibility.

You could always add 3M felt tape to the inside if it helps. I sometimes think about doing it, but its very difficult to cut out the proper shape, and always wondered whether the felt on the tape would degrade and get on the camera sensor and shutter.
I have a semi-casual attitude to the level of detail in my photographic gear. I liken it to not being particularly interested in the label on a bottle of wine and leave it to the consumption to tell me whether the contents were tolerable. I might get some failures that way but in the main my experiences have been good. Save myself a lot of money that way ….

In countries such as Italy and France it is quite common for people to make their own wine and surely such experienced people know what they are doing. Some Italian friends shared their communal effort in own-brand wine with us and the results were quite quaffable.

Naturally enough I have found the matte black finish of adapter internals quite good enough. But note that really expensive brands like Metabones now do use flocking.

I am sure that other flocked adapters might be available but I doubt that they would be common. Just as much as flocked inner barrels of actual lenses which technically have similar potential reflection issues.
 
Thanks for the reply, I've been reading through the different descriprions and notice that a few say they have a matte finish inside the helicoid. I might just ask the seller about this as well.
You might be interested in K&F Concept Pro adapters . They advertise as having anti-reflective coatings inside in the adapter.
I have been looking at them, they cost twice as much as Fotasy adapters. But in the end it might be worth it. At some point I would like adapters for a range of different mounts, but as a starter at least M42, M39, PK, NIK F and possibly T2. But I own a 3D printer, so making my own isn't an issue either for the more "advanced" adaptive lenses I have.

Also, comparing the K&F M39 and M42 adapters, they seem vastly different.. I thought they barely had any difference, could it be that it's a L39 adapter and not a M39? They're a bit different right?
L39 (26tpi [1 inch =25.4mm]) and M39x1 (1 thread per mm [25.4 threads per inch) are very similar, works out to 0.023mm per thread difference, so close it doesn't really effect mounting the lens even though their thread pitches are slightly different because you aren't mounting long threaded sections together.

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Thanks for the reply, I've been reading through the different descriprions and notice that a few say they have a matte finish inside the helicoid. I might just ask the seller about this as well.
You might be interested in K&F Concept Pro adapters . They advertise as having anti-reflective coatings inside in the adapter.
I have been looking at them, they cost twice as much as Fotasy adapters. But in the end it might be worth it. At some point I would like adapters for a range of different mounts, but as a starter at least M42, M39, PK, NIK F and possibly T2. But I own a 3D printer, so making my own isn't an issue either for the more "advanced" adaptive lenses I have.

Also, comparing the K&F M39 and M42 adapters, they seem vastly different.. I thought they barely had any difference, could it be that it's a L39 adapter and not a M39? They're a bit different right?
L39 (26tpi [1 inch =25.4mm]) and M39x1 (1 thread per mm [25.4 threads per inch) are very similar, works out to 0.023mm per thread difference, so close it doesn't really effect mounting the lens even though their thread pitches are slightly different because you aren't mounting long threaded sections together.
Alright, but if we talk flange distance the two are quite different, yes? L39 seems to be 28.8mm while M39x1 is close to M42 at 45.2mm.

That's the bit that confuses me, I'd expect a M39 adapter to be close to the size of a M42, unless it's in fact a L39 adapter.

Regarding which adapters to choose I've not yet been completely convinced. If no one has any hands on experience on Fotasy/K&F without the "PRO" coating inside vs the PRO ones I might try to find some youtube videos (not made by affiliations of K&F).
 
Alright, but if we talk flange distance the two are quite different, yes? L39 seems to be 28.8mm while M39x1 is close to M42 at 45.2mm.

That's the bit that confuses me, I'd expect a M39 adapter to be close to the size of a M42, unless it's in fact a L39 adapter.

Regarding which adapters to choose I've not yet been completely convinced. If no one has any hands on experience on Fotasy/K&F without the "PRO" coating inside vs the PRO ones I might try to find some youtube videos (not made by affiliations of K&F).
M39 is just a thread dimension - L39 (Leica, sometimes also known as LTM or Leica Thread Mount), Z39 (Zenit) and other variations (Paxette for example) all have an M39 thread but have very different flange mounting distances. M39 adapters are typically designed for use with rangefinder lenses with a short flange mounting distance. I don't recall ever seeing an adapter specially for Z39 SLR lenses with an M39 mount; you'd normally just adapt the lens using an m39 to M42 adapter ring and mount that assembly to a M42 adapter (although that may not work out exactly as intended!).

I have quite a few cheaper adapters to Sony E-mount including a few non-Pro K&F adapters. I didn't think internal reflections were a problem until noticing the issue with a couple of specific lenses in certain conditions. It's easily solved by painting the inside of the adapters with matt black paint. I used a water-based matt black after lightly 'keying' the surfaces to be painted and partially dismantling the adapters to avoid getting paint on the mounting surfaces or release mechanisms. I painted the insides of all my adapters a few years ago and none of that paint has flaked off or degraded at all and internal reflections aren't an issue...

If you don't want to paint your adapters or get involved with flocking etc, K&F Pro or similar could be worthwhile to you. Those adapters weren't available when I bought mine and I wasn't about to buy another set of adapters when an easy DIY solution solved the problem :-)

Internal reflections aside, the non-Pro K&F adapters are nicely finished and mount securely so provide good value in my opinion. Can't comment specifically about Fotasy because I don't have any of them.
 
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Alright, but if we talk flange distance the two are quite different, yes? L39 seems to be 28.8mm while M39x1 is close to M42 at 45.2mm.

That's the bit that confuses me, I'd expect a M39 adapter to be close to the size of a M42, unless it's in fact a L39 adapter.

Regarding which adapters to choose I've not yet been completely convinced. If no one has any hands on experience on Fotasy/K&F without the "PRO" coating inside vs the PRO ones I might try to find some youtube videos (not made by affiliations of K&F).
M39 is just a thread dimension - L39 (Leica, sometimes also known as LTM or Leica Thread Mount), Z39 (Zenit) and other variations (Paxette for example) all have an M39 thread but have very different flange mounting distances. M39 adapters are typically designed for use with rangefinder lenses with a short flange mounting distance. I don't recall ever seeing an adapter specially for Z39 SLR lenses with an M39 mount; you'd normally just adapt the lens using an m39 to M42 adapter ring and mount that assembly to a M42 adapter (although that may not work out exactly as intended!).

I have quite a few cheaper adapters to Sony E-mount including a few non-Pro K&F adapters. I didn't think internal reflections were a problem until noticing the issue with a couple of specific lenses in certain conditions. It's easily solved by painting the inside of the adapters with matt black paint. I used a water-based matt black after lightly 'keying' the surfaces to be painted and partially dismantling the adapters to avoid getting paint on the mounting surfaces or release mechanisms. I painted the insides of all my adapters a few years ago and none of that paint has flaked off or degraded at all and internal reflections aren't an issue...

If you don't want to paint your adapters or get involved with flocking etc, K&F Pro or similar could be worthwhile to you. Those adapters weren't available when I bought mine and I wasn't about to buy another set of adapters when an easy DIY solution solved the problem :-)

Internal reflections aside, the non-Pro K&F adapters are nicely finished and mount securely so provide good value in my opinion. Can't comment specifically about Fotasy because I don't have any of them.
Exactly how I figured it to be, having a M39 adapter could prove useful for different DIY projects as it's quite small. But then again, 3D printing isn't that much of a hassle either.

Thank you for that reply, exactly what I was looking for! I think I'll spend a bit more to get the PRO adapters for the most typical lens mounts like Nikon and M42 at least, as they seem to be very well made. No reason to skimp too much on the adapters I intend to use a lot. Better to have a proper secure mount than saving a few pennies on that end.

As long as the M42 adapters allow the M39 lenses to focus at infinity it shouldn't be a problem, I had just hoped to avoid those infernal M39-M42 rings.

I only have one Fotasy product, a helicoid, it's finished in matte coating and I haven't had any problems so far, but honestly I mostly mount the projector lenses deep inside that helicoid so any flare issues would probably not be present due to that.
 
Exactly how I figured it to be, having a M39 adapter could prove useful for different DIY projects as it's quite small. But then again, 3D printing isn't that much of a hassle either.

Thank you for that reply, exactly what I was looking for! I think I'll spend a bit more to get the PRO adapters for the most typical lens mounts like Nikon and M42 at least, as they seem to be very well made. No reason to skimp too much on the adapters I intend to use a lot. Better to have a proper secure mount than saving a few pennies on that end.
Makes sense - if I was starting from scratch today, I'd do the same.
As long as the M42 adapters allow the M39 lenses to focus at infinity it shouldn't be a problem, I had just hoped to avoid those infernal M39-M42 rings.
Due to very minor differences in flange focal distance between the two mounts, infinity focus isn't a given if the M42 adapter is precisely manufactured. I know you've sent some time with your Helios 44 so most of this article might be familiar to you (!) but it may give you some useful tips on how to achieve infinity focus with Z39 mount lenses if it's not available 'out-of-the-box': https://www.tsangyatho.com/post/helios-44-m39-to-m42-diy-adaptation-and-infinity-adjustment

M39-M42 adapter rings may also caiuse the lens to not sit at quite the right orientation on the adapter - for example, the DOF scale might not be at the top. Just something to be aware of.
I only have one Fotasy product, a helicoid, it's finished in matte coating and I haven't had any problems so far, but honestly I mostly mount the projector lenses deep inside that helicoid so any flare issues would probably not be present due to that.
 
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My Fotasy adapters don't have any flocking inside like those expensive adapters. It merely has what looks to be CNC milling marks that are anodized black like the rest of the body of the adapter. I can't say I have had issues with internal reflections, but its always a possibility.

You could always add 3M felt tape to the inside if it helps. I sometimes think about doing it, but its very difficult to cut out the proper shape, and always wondered whether the felt on the tape would degrade and get on the camera sensor and shutter.
I have a semi-casual attitude to the level of detail in my photographic gear. I liken it to not being particularly interested in the label on a bottle of wine and leave it to the consumption to tell me whether the contents were tolerable. I might get some failures that way but in the main my experiences have been good. Save myself a lot of money that way ….

In countries such as Italy and France it is quite common for people to make their own wine and surely such experienced people know what they are doing. Some Italian friends shared their communal effort in own-brand wine with us and the results were quite quaffable.

Naturally enough I have found the matte black finish of adapter internals quite good enough. But note that really expensive brands like Metabones now do use flocking.

I am sure that other flocked adapters might be available but I doubt that they would be common. Just as much as flocked inner barrels of actual lenses which technically have similar potential reflection issues.
Flocking is ok, but it's a trap for all sorts of nasties -- a miniature forest that could let nasties grow and prosper.

If there's an issue with an adapter, my preference is to use a bit of Black 2.0 paint. I also regularly use Black 2.0 on the insides of 3D-printed adapters to ensure a better light seal as well as reducing reflections.
 
Ok, a long take, probably overkill but anyway: I have all kinds of adapters (maybe 50+), some expensive and many ultra cheap. Overall, in normal scenes, it's hard to get a sense of how the same scene would change, or if it would matter in practical terms, from a very expensive adapter versus a very cheap one. Often, it wouldn't matter.

But then you start to have all kinds of specific cases where it has a much larger impact. So understanding what are these cases will inform how much effort to put into adapters. I found some expensive adapters to not necessarily be much better. So it can't be generalized that more expensive ones are always going to result in a much better one. This is like wine, to make an analogy. You can spend a lot more money, and yes, it make be aged in expensive oak barrels, and have high quality source grapes, and so on, and not be interesting or any better, sometimes worst than a much affordable wine made by someone that really knows a lot about wine.

Here are some things I noticed:

- Mount fit (and for adapted, it always means two mounts that compound, or 4 if using a dual adapter like NEX-LM-M42). Some adapters fit less precisely. This makes the lens less stable. It makes precision focusing hit and miss, so if this is important, it needs to have a very good fit. When it doesn't, the lens will wobble when focusing, making it frustrating as well as self defeating.

- Light leaks. It's staggering that many lenses may have a design that makes so light from certain angle on the sides have an impact in the photo. This is self-evident when you have a lens with caps on, and you can see halos in scenes where there's strong ambient light. Of course, if there's a lot of light, the leaks get masked out. But if you are shooting relatively low light scenes and there's a strong illumination reaching the camera, this will ruin all the photos. One example is shooting from a location where direct sunlight hits the camera, but the scene itself is largely in the shadow (imagine shooting a mushroom scene in dense foliage, and the sun is hitting the camera). But it can also be shooting a far away night scape from within a well lit location.

- Internal reflections directions (forward and reverse). The lens design (or internal shape of the adapter) seems to matter more or less depending on how the actual lens works. In some cases, it's only important that no reflection happens from light incoming to the sensor. But in some lenses, it's very important that is also doesn't reflect light reflecting on within the sensor chamber (sensor plus other parts of the chamber). This is particularly important for lenses with very large image circles and more important when the camera flange is bigger, and the adapted mount is bigger. Often, one is adapting a lens that may have a much larger image circle, meaning that there's a lot of light that may reach the nearby areas reflections from the sensor become strong enough that it will affect the picture.

- Lock mechanism. In many cases, the lock mechanism, for some reason, isn't precise enough. As you focus turning the focusing ring in one or the other direction, there's some play in the adapter/lens locking that makes it so focusing very precisely a nuisance. It breaks the ability to associate an amount of rotation with an amount of focusing, as you need to compensate for the coupling having some rotational play.

- Flatness. Adapters can be less than perfectly perpendicular. It it wobbles, for some kind of photos, it can be a problem as the plane would shift a tiny bit, and if it's a very high aperture and to the extent the lens sits close to the sensor or is a wider field, it can be infuriating. I think precise macro work or when the precise alignment of all the plane matters, tiny problems with flatness are made extremely evident.

- Register. Almost all adapters are shorter than the precise required register. This is as different lenses in different eras, combined with lenses that may be tuned to infinity a little imprecisely, in addition to the effects of ambient temperature on this things, make it so a lens that is perfectly accurate will make several lens and temp and particular cameras not focus on infinity perfectly. This is convenient, but for wider lenses or those that depend on tight tolerances, it may greatly affect the photos. Complex lenses with floating elements and a tiny error in register in the adapter can have a very detrimental effect on photo quality. But for me, using old lenses and usually not very wide, it matter much less. But for some lenses and uses, it really becomes a huge issue. Some adapter can have the register adjusted very precisely, most cannot be adjusted at all. Most adapters do not say to what extend they are shorter, and the cheaper ones will have high variance, meaning one or another of the same maker will be different.

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Then there's the aspect of old lenses themselves. Many, many many very old lenses have wear in the internals, meaning the lens internal masking will be compromised. If find that this usually happens in specific places, as rings that reflect a lot of light. I think it gets compounded by how the actual optics work. In these cases, one may worry a lot about the adapter, but the huge effect is actually within the lens itself. The relation to the adapters is that one may worry too much about the adapter, when the cumulative effect from the lens may be so high that the any adapter improvement will result in little differences anyway. ie. it's like worrying about potential light rain and building a huge dome when one is surfing.

All in all, I think it's hard for someone that is not doing high precision photography $45 vs $28 will be much better. I think brand themselves are not very indicative as most brands are just like Vivitar, umbrella brands, but the adapters come out of very different producers, and two items from the same brand may come from different designs, providers.

I think it's thus very hit and miss, it's hard to make generalizations about brands, other that some much more expensive brands ($100+) are consistently better in all regards, but to what extent they will have a noticeable impact is largely dependent on the kind of photos and the particular type of lenses and shooting conditions.

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For old lenses (which are usually never too wide, and if wide, they are not very sharp) I found that the adapter matters a lot less overall, than being able to assess the wear of the internals of the lens and if one is inclined to improve things, send it to someone that can really do a very good service that includes internal masking of the lens) or doing it oneself. The tilting of locking matters more the faster the lens, little otherwise, the wobbling matters a lot more for wides when plane precision matters, the locking is important when one cares about precise photos (and the higher the sensor res) but even when not, it really can ruin the enjoyment of the manual focus experience), the precision needed skyrockets with dual adapters (intermediate adapters), and that I haven't found a vendor that removes the frustration with adapters in general, and even if one does research, it's camera and sample dependent.
 
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Well made flocking can look good when new. But we all know experience of dust inside well-used and well-loved elderly lenses. Not sure just how long ago flocking as a regular practice originated, but I don’t know of any legacy lens that I have acquired. All of them that were obviously used had some dust inside that was no real issue. Sometimes with inner paint degradation and surface corrosion (a fault) you could shake the lens and see a sort of snowstorm like one of those little Christmas paperweights - so painting has its issues as well. But better done with lasting materials is ok.

I can imagine a flocked lens with normal use of an extended period would need us to find and use a specialised lens-internals vacuum cleaner to sharpen it up … :)
 
Well done.

There is a certain brand of adapter that I have bought which is unbranded (not that uncommon). Unbranded adapters can work as well as others.

But this one is distinguished by a flat metal release tab that has a bend in it.

This tab is mechanically very suspect. Bad design.

The lock release pin is simply peen-headed over to keep it in the tab mechanism. A inner spring keeps the pin in place whether or not the peening is holding. The pin slides in and out through a plain locating hole as would be expected but the rigid peen connection moves through a small arc when the release is actuated. In effect the arc action is transmitted to the up-down action and works by sloppy fit with friction. Depress tab and the peened-through pin is pulled free from the lens locking slot simply by the strength of the peening against the spring loaded connection.

In one case the peening broke and the spring held the lock pin in place. Of course I did not know the exact issue at first but the effect was that the pin could not be released leaving the lens permanently on the adapter.

I solved the issue by using some fine nosed pliers to forcefully drag the offending spring out from the locking mechanism and thereby could access and release the locking pin. Resulting in a destroyed adapter locking mechanism. I could most likely fix this but it would again rely on the strength of re-peening the pin to the tab.

Bad design and risky. The adapter itself otherwise worked properly.

So be careful with those bent flat-tab adapters - I have seen them illustrated on sites quite often. The tab could last for years or it could fall apart with stuck locking pin the next time you used it.
 
Yes, that also reminded me of my constant search, I am looking at the details of the pictures, and learned to spot the original manufacturer based on the exact details of some of the parts. They can have 5 different brands. I think it'[s no different to how some, say, Komine or Cosina lenses appeared with so many different brand names.

The lock can be a crucial issue like you describe, or sometimes not detach with pressure and one forces the lens.

One of the best adapter I have, NEX-LM, is actually the Techart Pro. The LM lenses sit perfectly, and release without issue. It's a perfect fit.
 
Yes, that also reminded me of my constant search, I am looking at the details of the pictures, and learned to spot the original manufacturer based on the exact details of some of the parts. They can have 5 different brands. I think it'[s no different to how some, say, Komine or Cosina lenses appeared with so many different brand names.

The lock can be a crucial issue like you describe, or sometimes not detach with pressure and one forces the lens.

One of the best adapter I have, NEX-LM, is actually the Techart Pro. The LM lenses sit perfectly, and release without issue. It's a perfect fit.
I have had a good run with RJ adapters. But they also don’t a=often brand the ones that they make. I know that they are theirs by the fact that I often buy them direct.

But they make reliable mount locking systems and not the flimsy type that I have described.
 
I've gone through with ordering all the adapters I currently need from K&F's PRO series. Most of these seem to be well made and by reviewing some Youtube videos I decided to have a go at it. If I need any additional ones that I don't have that many lenses for I'll try the Fotasy ones.

The only thing I'll miss is probably the tripod mount I've seen integrated with a few (like Fotasy). Maybe it wouldn't have been the most reliable ones but for some of my Nikon lenses it could have proven useful without having to go get a collar.
 
I am going to check them out. The most desirable adapter to me would be a top notch NEX-LM Macro adapter. I have yet to find one without some issues. I like having 4mm of extra movement, but I am using standard NEX-LM more often as every Helicoid I have has one or another issue. The others were I still need a better adapter are Nikon (G) and Contarex, which have to also control the aperture, plus LM-C/Y.
 

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