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Ouroboros66 said:
Interceptor121 said:
victorav said:
Interceptor121 said:
MacroDonata said:
Copied and pasted from m43rumors . com Admin gave this rumor FT4 on a scale of 1 - 5.

Here are some additional OM-1 specs:
  • 2 stop improvement low light with “Quad Bayer Structure”
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This makes no sense
Ouroboros66 said:
  • New battery(compatible with BLH-1)
  • Advanced Artificial Intelligent AF for animals,vehicles,etc…
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This also makes no sense
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A new battery makes no sense? It's quite possible there is a new battery.
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Was not referring to the battery
Ouroboros66 said:
As for "AI autofocus", it is also possible new autofocus algorithms have been developed.
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There is a long thread elsewhere but to be concise there is no AI but only machine learning. Deep learning models can be developed somewhere else and a simplified model for look up of specific shapes programmed in the camera

The camera itself does not have any AI even Olympus correctly referred to Bird Detection AF and canon in the long description mentions

The camera’s autofocus is programmed using a deep-learning AI

Deep learning is a feature of the system that programmed the camera, not the camera itself

hence I said that short version is non sense
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Machine Learning is a subset of AI and sometimes used interchangeably, so it's a non-issue really.

Most machine learning models are trained somewhere else than they are use, that is standard practice. If it uses the actual model or even a simplified model, it's totally correct to say that the camera is using AI.
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The model inside the camera which is fixed and wired in was developed with deep learning which is not AI but a set of machine learning

The camera itself has no ability to learn anything and has no intelligence of any sort is just running an iterative model

If you want to believe this means that AF has AI is up to you
 
Interceptor121 said:
Ouroboros66 said:
Interceptor121 said:
victorav said:
Interceptor121 said:
MacroDonata said:
Copied and pasted from m43rumors . com Admin gave this rumor FT4 on a scale of 1 - 5.

Here are some additional OM-1 specs:
  • 2 stop improvement low light with “Quad Bayer Structure”
Click to expand...
This makes no sense
Interceptor121 said:
  • New battery(compatible with BLH-1)
  • Advanced Artificial Intelligent AF for animals,vehicles,etc…
Click to expand...
This also makes no sense
Click to expand...
A new battery makes no sense? It's quite possible there is a new battery.
Click to expand...
Was not referring to the battery
Interceptor121 said:
As for "AI autofocus", it is also possible new autofocus algorithms have been developed.
Click to expand...
There is a long thread elsewhere but to be concise there is no AI but only machine learning. Deep learning models can be developed somewhere else and a simplified model for look up of specific shapes programmed in the camera

The camera itself does not have any AI even Olympus correctly referred to Bird Detection AF and canon in the long description mentions

The camera’s autofocus is programmed using a deep-learning AI

Deep learning is a feature of the system that programmed the camera, not the camera itself

hence I said that short version is non sense
Click to expand...
Machine Learning is a subset of AI and sometimes used interchangeably, so it's a non-issue really.

Most machine learning models are trained somewhere else than they are use, that is standard practice. If it uses the actual model or even a simplified model, it's totally correct to say that the camera is using AI.
Click to expand...
The model inside the camera which is fixed and wired in was developed with deep learning which is not AI but a set of machine learning

The camera itself has no ability to learn anything and has no intelligence of any sort is just running an iterative model

If you want to believe this means that AF has AI is up to you
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Well, I would not say that AF has AI or AF is AI, but for sure AF uses AI is fine.
 
Ouroboros66 said:
Interceptor121 said:
Ouroboros66 said:
Interceptor121 said:
victorav said:
Interceptor121 said:
MacroDonata said:
Copied and pasted from m43rumors . com Admin gave this rumor FT4 on a scale of 1 - 5.

Here are some additional OM-1 specs:
  • 2 stop improvement low light with “Quad Bayer Structure”
Click to expand...
This makes no sense
Ouroboros66 said:
  • New battery(compatible with BLH-1)
  • Advanced Artificial Intelligent AF for animals,vehicles,etc…
Click to expand...
This also makes no sense
Click to expand...
A new battery makes no sense? It's quite possible there is a new battery.
Click to expand...
Was not referring to the battery
Ouroboros66 said:
As for "AI autofocus", it is also possible new autofocus algorithms have been developed.
Click to expand...
There is a long thread elsewhere but to be concise there is no AI but only machine learning. Deep learning models can be developed somewhere else and a simplified model for look up of specific shapes programmed in the camera

The camera itself does not have any AI even Olympus correctly referred to Bird Detection AF and canon in the long description mentions

The camera’s autofocus is programmed using a deep-learning AI

Deep learning is a feature of the system that programmed the camera, not the camera itself

hence I said that short version is non sense
Click to expand...
Machine Learning is a subset of AI and sometimes used interchangeably, so it's a non-issue really.

Most machine learning models are trained somewhere else than they are use, that is standard practice. If it uses the actual model or even a simplified model, it's totally correct to say that the camera is using AI.
Click to expand...
The model inside the camera which is fixed and wired in was developed with deep learning which is not AI but a set of machine learning

The camera itself has no ability to learn anything and has no intelligence of any sort is just running an iterative model

If you want to believe this means that AF has AI is up to you
Click to expand...
Well, I would not say that AF has AI or AF is AI, but for sure AF uses AI is fine.
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Advanced Artificial Intelligent AF for animals,vehicles,etc…

is what was written. I am ok to say that some deep learning was involved but that does not make the grading for the short version as written

Obviously this is not an official document so perhaps they will correct in the final
 
mount evans said:
Interceptor121 said:
MacroDonata said:
Copied and pasted from m43rumors . com Admin gave this rumor FT4 on a scale of 1 - 5.

Here are some additional OM-1 specs:
  • 2 stop improvement low light with “Quad Bayer Structure”
Click to expand...
This makes no sense
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The IMX472 is back-illuminated. Might that have something to do with the 2-stop improvement in low light?
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Stacking is a way to increase integration is the back illumination that provides improved low light performance and usually this is linked to larger pixel size (not quad bayer) so that gain can be pumped up

Quad bayer per se does not do anything to improve low light so not sure where this came from. In phones there is a low resolution mode to improve SNR by binning pixels however the result here is the identical pixel size of the old sensor we all know

Hence the inference quad bayer -> 2 stops improvement in low light makes no sense

What I see is that PGA gain is up to 27dB vs 24 dB so this sensor may offer a higher maximum ISO than before up to one stop

Will it do better or not at the same exposure it remains to be seen. I would expect something around 1/3 to 1/2 stop tops
 
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
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The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
 
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
 
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
 
Interceptor121 said:
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
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Interesting. Do you have a link?
 
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
Click to expand...
Interesting. Do you have a link?
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It is somewhere here on this forum look for the GH6 threads or if you are patient go on youtube lumix channel find the 'resolution' recorded session of last week

at one point you will see alan frazer showing his screen with said resolution that do not match any existing lumix s or g camera
 
Interceptor121 said:
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
Click to expand...
A curious number. The 25mp JPEG from my HHHR is 5760 x 4320.
 
gary0319 said:
Interceptor121 said:
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
Click to expand...
A curious number. The 25mp JPEG from my HHHR is 5760 x 4320.
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the first is not HR the second is on my G9 it does 2x and 4x so 20 normal 40 and 80

this we have seen is 25 and 100 perhaps there is also a 50 MP mode that was not shown no idea

I never shot HR mode but 25 megapixel image may turn out useful for printing actually
 
Is it true there's also in-built GPS?
 
Interceptor121 said:
gary0319 said:
Interceptor121 said:
jschoonj said:
Interceptor121 said:
RMK Colorado said:
Still stuck at 20mp, gee how exciting! Another 20mp sensor with more whiz bang features won't help grow MFT and/or save OM. I mean come on guys at least give us a little bump, maybe 24/26mp? Other than a bump in MP the only other thing I'd love to see is Panasonic switch to PDAF.
Click to expand...
The GH6 has 25 megapixels but I would not loose my sleep on PDAF

It intrigues me that Panasonic is not using a stock sensor. Did they still go to Sony and had one made for them or went elsewhere?
Click to expand...
I wonder if they will actually have a 25MP sensor or the 5.7K spec is just a 4:3 video format.
Click to expand...
Jpegs have been seen 5776x4332 and high rez of 11552x8664 in a recent presentation on YouTube
Click to expand...
A curious number. The 25mp JPEG from my HHHR is 5760 x 4320.
Click to expand...
the first is not HR the second is on my G9 it does 2x and 4x so 20 normal 40 and 80

this we have seen is 25 and 100 perhaps there is also a 50 MP mode that was not shown no idea

I never shot HR mode but 25 megapixel image may turn out useful for printing actually
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I'm a big fan of HHHR (when the situation permits) especially in B&W.


Crop from the 25mpx PEG. Building in background (left) is about 700 yards distant.


Even some minor movement like talking can be accommodated.
 
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Mark B UK said:
Is it true there's also in-built GPS?
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It's in this list, just scroll down,

www.scribd.com

OM System OM-1 Camera Specifications | PDF | Image Stabilization | Pixel

This document provides specifications for an image sensor, including its size, mount type, pixel count, aspect ratio, image stabilization features, electronic viewfinder details, touchscreen monitor, autofocus system, exposure controls, video recording formats and resolutions, and bracketing and...
www.scribd.com www.scribd.com
 
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Never felt the need especially for printing

rather have a few more pixels in normal situations if the camera supports it fine but not a discriminating factor for me
 
Skeeterbytes said:
MacroDonata said:
Copied and pasted from m43rumors . com Admin gave this rumor FT4 on a scale of 1 - 5.

Lots of comments there about the claimed 2 stops improvement being either marketing hype or related to HiRes mode, or simply wrong.
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We'll find out pretty soon. It's a Big Deal if true and you'll encounter a lot of folks virtually wishing it is not, because it would invalidate a good deal of system doom and gloom while calling in to question the credentials of certain self-declared experts. (Don't be concerned though, there's an unlimited resource of other reasons m4/3 is cratering.)

Wait until they find out the EVF is optional. ;-)

Cheers,

Rick
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Some people just love to dismiss this format. I had someone on these forums here tell me that there is absolutely nothing that can be done to improve current m4/3 sensors. Because the current sensor has reached the physical limits of what's possible. Meanwhile Smartphones with their much smaller sensors and larger sensors on FF cameras will continue to improve. Physics supposedly are just preventing m4/3 from advancing. :)
 
Wigelii said:
Interceptor121 said:
From here to 2 stops the journey is extremely long
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So, you think that they are so stupid that they develop a sensor with tech added that doesn’t improve the output? They have many experts who develop useless things?
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That's a false dilemma, we know from the data sheets that known sensors have improved in speed (120 fps vs 60 fps) but there won't be a significant increase in IQ.

You can look no further than the A9 (using a stacked sensor) vs the A7 III. The speeds jumped, but if I recall correctly, the DR actually when down.
 
SOS: We need to know/see on whether new battery BLX-1 can be used on current E-M1iii camera upon Feb 15th's new OM-1 introduction. That will be great so E-M1iii will have increased shots per single battery charge. I have 2 BLH-1 batteries as worn out due to lower shot per charge and would like to buy new BLX-1 if it is compatible.
 
Interceptor121 said:
What I see is that PGA gain is up to 27dB vs 24 dB so this sensor may offer a higher maximum ISO than before up to one stop

Will it do better or not at the same exposure it remains to be seen. I would expect something around 1/3 to 1/2 stop tops
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The leaked specs indicate a range between about ISO 80 to ISO 102400.

How useable that is does remain to be seen.
 
gs94121 said:
SOS: We need to know/see on whether new battery BLX-1 can be used on current E-M1iii camera upon Feb 15th's new OM-1 introduction.
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VERY, VERY unlikely

the compatibility does not go backwards usually
Harold
 
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