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ha ha this argument is so pointless.
Jared Hunter said:
Daniella said:
JWP said:
Max Fun said:
I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?

Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!

And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.

I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!

Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work :(

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I'd say post this in a year or so and tell us how well the 300D is built.

Just like Canon lenses - the ones that last are the ones that are built like tanks. Really, I don't see a lot of 50mm 1.8 mkIIs' lasting all that long compared to their bigger brother the MK1. And I'm not talking about dropping or dinging it. I'm talking about constant camera wear and tear.
Max Fun said:
I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?

Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!

And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.

I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!

Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work :(

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I've got a buddy with a Rebel S2 going on ten years of constant abuse. A lot of mileage on that camera. He calls it his "plastic fantastic" camera. These days, his 9 to 12 year-old kids play with it. It's still going strong. If my 300D can last 1/4 as long, I'll be perfectly satisfied.

Plastic is pretty darn durable and resilient. Check out all the cars on the road with plastic bumpers and body panels. Rain, sleet, cold or baking sun, good plastic seems to do just fine.
Clayphish said:
Just like Canon lenses - the ones that last are the ones that are
built like tanks. Really, I don't see a lot of 50mm 1.8 mkIIs'
lasting all that long compared to their bigger brother the MK1. And
I'm not talking about dropping or dinging it. I'm talking about
constant camera wear and tear.
Max Fun said:
I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?

Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!

And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.

I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!

Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work :(

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I didn’t say that the only criteria of the camera purchase are the look and feel but it is important one. The quality of the picture of 300D is superb and beyond question. I am Canon user for years now and have no doubt in the quality of their engineering.

However would you like the 300D to have a metal body like 10D for the same price? Of course you would but Canon made this on purpose to differentiate the models and attract previous budget owners of Rebel line.....

Does the plastix affect the quality of the picture taken by 300D, no, not at all, it just feels and looks like budget cr@apy toy.... that’s it.
Daniella said:
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor
broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is
plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very
pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a
heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or
exercice..you cannot appreciate this.

But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to
that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image
quality and that it will do what you need for your type of
photography.

The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can
take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm
of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it
in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will
not loose those shots any longer.

There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and
nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
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hey, if you feel happy with your plastix camera so be it, however Canon would just have to use that steel you suggest to make a more solid shell for the Camera....like 10D or Elan7....no more...
Jared Hunter said:
df1603 said:
Sure, part of the experience of having a $1k camera is to have also
a feeling of a quality material or solid build if you like....
It is hard to explain but I can use a comparison from car
manufactures. Look at the standard dashboard plastics used in
Korean cars and compare it with, lets say, German or Japanese
cars...
...see, it is about the feeling of a better quality material,
better touch and solid build, material used to build dashboard and
steering wheel has no impact on technical specification of the car
(I think), there should be no major impact on handling but standard
KIA feels way different inside than standard Audi or VW or even
Honda....
So, same applies to 300D, this camera doesnt even feel and look
like a 900$ body....but it looks and feels like +300$ one...
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Try picking up an expensive titanium watch. Using the same
criteria, you'd probably declare that it feels cheap and light like
plastic or aluminum. Some car manufacturers consult with luxury car
makers on how to design cars that impart a sense of 'solidity'. All
they do is put weights at strategic locations on the chassis to
alter the resonant frequency. I bet if Canon had added a slug of
steel inside the 300D, the added weight would change people's
perception of quality for the better although the piece of steel
would have added no value.
Jared Hunter said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
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Do you spend time looking at your camera or through your camera?

As long as you can hold your camera well and it is sturdy enough for everyday use, I'd say that that's good enough and the 300D satisfies all these critieria.
df1603 said:
Daniella said:
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor
broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is
plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very
pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a
heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or
exercice..you cannot appreciate this.

But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to
that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image
quality and that it will do what you need for your type of
photography.

The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can
take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm
of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it
in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will
not loose those shots any longer.

There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and
nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
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c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
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Do you like white cars or black cars (or silver...;-), do you spend time looking at your car or driving your car....it is all about personal preference...
Max Fun said:
As long as you can hold your camera well and it is sturdy enough
for everyday use, I'd say that that's good enough and the 300D
satisfies all these critieria.
df1603 said:
Daniella said:
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor
broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is
plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very
pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a
heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or
exercice..you cannot appreciate this.

But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to
that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image
quality and that it will do what you need for your type of
photography.

The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can
take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm
of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it
in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will
not loose those shots any longer.

There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and
nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
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http://max-fun.fotopic.net
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Daniella
main gallery: http://www.infrareddream.com
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
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I guess there will be black Rebel LE on the market soon, like G3, G5, S50.... Just wait and see......
 
If a particular Ferrari came only in 1 colour, then I'll take it!

For most of us who likes photography, our emphasis is on the pictures we take. If the build of the camera does not impare our ability but yet churns out hight quality pictures, who cares if it's fluorescent orange!
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
As long as you can hold your camera well and it is sturdy enough
for everyday use, I'd say that that's good enough and the 300D
satisfies all these critieria.
df1603 said:
Daniella said:
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor
broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is
plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very
pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a
heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or
exercice..you cannot appreciate this.

But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to
that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image
quality and that it will do what you need for your type of
photography.

The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can
take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm
of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it
in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will
not loose those shots any longer.

There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and
nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
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http://max-fun.fotopic.net
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Daniella
main gallery: http://www.infrareddream.com
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Click to expand...
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the problem is that you can order Ferrari in whatever color you want!

I hear you, and even agree, 4sure 300D takes excellent pictures but personaly I prefer the build and feel of Canon Elan7/10D...is there anything wrong with that?
Max Fun said:
For most of us who likes photography, our emphasis is on the
pictures we take. If the build of the camera does not impare our
ability but yet churns out hight quality pictures, who cares if
it's fluorescent orange!
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
As long as you can hold your camera well and it is sturdy enough
for everyday use, I'd say that that's good enough and the 300D
satisfies all these critieria.
df1603 said:
Daniella said:
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor
broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is
plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very
pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a
heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or
exercice..you cannot appreciate this.

But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to
that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image
quality and that it will do what you need for your type of
photography.

The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can
take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm
of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it
in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will
not loose those shots any longer.

There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and
nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
df1603 said:
Max Fun said:
df1603 said:
because black metal looks and feels much better than wanna-be metal
silver plastix toys'r'us kinda cr@p...

would never buy 300D just because of the plastic feel and Rebel
name (and some missing features)
Click to expand...
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The Secret to Life is... Calcium!!
http://max-fun.fotopic.net
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Daniella
main gallery: http://www.infrareddream.com
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
C7OO FORUM: http://www.c700uz.com
c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND,
Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.
Click to expand...
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Corvette body panels have always been plastic. What do you think the "P" in FRP stands for?
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300D - It's a great camera, even if it isn't black
 
I agree...

If i was a pro i would like to have a solid metal working device... but for the audience it is meant... home prosumers, it's not such a big deal imho what the camera is made of...
 
I had no idea that a black camera made the person holding it more "pro". Seriously, I've never made that association, and would wager that most "normal" folks haven't either.

The problem I have with this whole discussion is that there are way too many people who seem to be deeply concerned with how they look with a camera instead of what they can do with it. Sheesh.
 
Max Fun said:
I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?

Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!

And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.

I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!

Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work :(

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Well, I'm not a pro myself (I don't call myself noobieOne for nothing). I just know some pros who shared their reason for their preference of black. I think it's less of a concern for landscape photographers, more of a concern of studio photographers. One of my studio photographer friend told me he prefer wearing black/dark for the same reason as well.

Yes, you can solve it with a filter, or just get out. But what if it's something you see while you are traveling in train, and you don't all your gears with you? Or it's a high rise building, and you coudln't get permission to get to the roof?

I'm sure there are other situations as well, and there would be workaround. But the point is, it is potentially something to worry about, and therefore it's a weakness.
Max Fun said:
I'd agree if you said the glare from a shiny reflective surface
will affect your shot, but the 300D is not that reflective, and
will not be as reflective as a white L lens.

Besides, when will a pro get caught taking images like that.
NoobieOne said:
Max Fun said:
Is there an example where it actually happens? The silver body of
the DR is matte though, so it doesn't reflect light as much as
other metallic silver bodies, and I haven't heard of anyone
complaining about it despite shiny metal bodies being all a rage
now. It would be interesting to to see how it might happen though.
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I don't have a photo to demonstrate, but on top of my head, it
might happen if you are shooting through a glass window during a
sunny day. Normally because the room is darker than the outside,
no reflections will occured on the glass, but once you walk close
to the window, the sun will shine direct onto the camera. A silver
camera will cast a reflection on the glass.

I think even eos300d will cast a reflection in this case. For
testing purpose, I've put a grey fabric and a black chair next to
each other, and the grey fabric cast a clear reflection whereas the
reflection of the black chair is barely visible. I would think
300d is more reflective than grey fabric.

But maybe this is only a problem of super strong sunlight here in
Australia.
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Max Fun said:
And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
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actually, i have been considering buying 10d over 300d simply because of the colour!

the reason is that when shooting people in public, the big black camera looks more professional than the silver body. and i find people more willing to be in frame if you look more like a professional photographer and less like a weird perverted tourist with a digicam.
 
isambard said:
the reason is that when shooting people in public, the big black
camera looks more professional than the silver body. and i find
people more willing to be in frame if you look more like a
professional photographer and less like a weird perverted tourist
with a digicam.
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If you act professional then you will have the same reaction if that's what your looking for. Carry a large weather beaten camera bag and a point & shot if you want, it's all attitude! I could site thousands of examples.

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It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
Paint it Black! and stop crying!
Let the pictures do the talkin!
 
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