GX1 help anyone?

well, my GX1 from keh showed up today, two days early. it's in great shape, everything works, but there's something i haven't found yet in the manual, although i'm still looking. or maybe it's obvious and i'm too tired.

how do i set the camera screen so what i see on the screen is the same as the pics i shoot turn out? my first shot was super dark, but it looked fine on the screen. i don't want to chimp all my shots, so i thought i'd ask.

if it's easier, you could point me to the page in the pdf version of the manual.

ps - i found preview mode, but it would be much easier if the screen were in preview mode 100% of the time. is that possible?

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If you haven't done a factory reset yet, I would do that first.

I've stopped using my GX1 some years ago, but I don't recall having this problem with it.

patticake said:

well, my GX1 from keh showed up today, two days early. it's in great shape, everything works, but there's something i haven't found yet in the manual, although i'm still looking. or maybe it's obvious and i'm too tired.

how do i set the camera screen so what i see on the screen is the same as the pics i shoot turn out? my first shot was super dark, but it looked fine on the screen. i don't want to chimp all my shots, so i thought i'd ask.

if it's easier, you could point me to the page in the pdf version of the manual.

ps - i found preview mode, but it would be much easier if the screen were in preview mode 100% of the time. is that possible?

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What was your shooting mode? P/S/A/M?

Under P/S/A, you have Live View on default and it should be what you are expected: the lightness condition of the image in LCD should reflect the combined effect of the parameters used, so similar to the output.

But please understand, GX1 is still a relative early model of mirrorless and the standard of its Live View has some distance to the latest Live View of today. That is to say, just an approximate lightness condition, not exactly the same as the captured output. IMHO it is like speaking to a foreigner, I have to learn and understand the exact meaning of his words. For models from its successor: GX7, we can have a more close to reality Live View.

In M mode, basically it will only operated under an auto grain LCD (auto adjust of the brightness of LCD, i.e. an auto adjusted brightness ovf, but will not show the combined effect of the parameters in used like the Live View in P/S/A) or Preview.

To activate Preview, we have to assign the Preview to any of the 4 fn keys (2 hard & 2 soft).

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

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the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

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patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

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the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

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That sounds more like the behaviour it's meant to exhibit when in manual focus (not sure if that's both with an M43 lens switched to MF, or only a non-M43) - and shouldn't happen, after a reset, if you're using an ordinary M43 lens, set to Autofocus.

Not sure I know enough / you've told us enough, to identify the problem's source - but my own next step would be to contact the seller, to see if they've another copy with which you could exchange yours?

Peter

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

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That sounds more like the behaviour it's meant to exhibit when in manual focus (not sure if that's both with an M43 lens switched to MF, or only a non-M43) - and shouldn't happen, after a reset, if you're using an ordinary M43 lens, set to Autofocus.

Not sure I know enough / you've told us enough, to identify the problem's source - but my own next step would be to contact the seller, to see if they've another copy with which you could exchange yours?

Peter

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thanks! * bangs head on desk*

the only m4/3 lens i have till tomorrow is a manual focus third-party lens from TTArtisan. it's been a few years since i owned a m4/3 camera, and i usually used panasonic or olympus lenses then.

since i have a native lens due to arrive tomorrow from B&H, i'll wait till it arrives to contact keh. maybe using a native lens will fix the issues. that would be great!

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patticake said:

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

Click to expand...

That sounds more like the behaviour it's meant to exhibit when in manual focus (not sure if that's both with an M43 lens switched to MF, or only a non-M43) - and shouldn't happen, after a reset, if you're using an ordinary M43 lens, set to Autofocus.

Not sure I know enough / you've told us enough, to identify the problem's source - but my own next step would be to contact the seller, to see if they've another copy with which you could exchange yours?

Peter

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thanks! * bangs head on desk*

the only m4/3 lens i have till tomorrow is a manual focus third-party lens from TTArtisan. it's been a few years since i owned a m4/3 camera, and i usually used panasonic or olympus lenses then.

since i have a native lens due to arrive tomorrow from B&H, i'll wait till it arrives to contact keh. maybe using a native lens will fix the issues. that would be great!

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Hope that's all it turns out to be!

Should have said - see page 98 of the Advanced manual, if organised the same way as mine...



... although components like that rear dial do seem prone to failing after busy use - so we've perhaps diagnosed, not cured, the problem,

Finger crossed, it will be OK !

[If it does turn out to be behaving as it should, I think you've an alternative way to adjust Exposure Compensation when using a manual lens - by going into the Quick Menu, and using the scale there]

Peter

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patticake said:

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

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You moved me to dig out my GX1 and try some of this.

I think with your all-manual lens ex comp only works in A and P modes -- not in S because the camera cannot control the manual aperture. Pressing the dial toggles between ex comp and magnified view.

G

Gato Amarillo said:

patticake said:

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

Click to expand...

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You moved me to dig out my GX1 and try some of this.

I think with your all-manual lens ex comp only works in A and P modes -- not in S because the camera cannot control the manual aperture. Pressing the dial toggles between ex comp and magnified view.

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Yep, with older Panasonics and lenses without electronic contacts, use the A(perture priority) mode!!! (P mode may work as well)

Set the aperture from the lens. Then set the shutter speed by adjusting ISO. Now the aperture, shutter speed and ISO are all set. If the shutter speed value is not visible on the screen, half press the shutter release button.

Also set "constant preview" on from the menu.

I can also verify that pressing the real dial toggles magnification with older Panasonics (except G1 and GH1 IIRC).

Don't forget that some non-native lenses all so require the menu option "Shoot Without Lens" turned on. I have a new GX9, but I still use my GX1, still love it.

Don't forget that on the GX1, the menu option "Shoot Without Lens" must be turned on. I still have my GX1, despite buying a GX9 in October, and still find it to be capable for what I need.

falcon468 said:

Don't forget that some non-native lenses all so require the menu option "Shoot Without Lens" turned on. I have a new GX9, but I still use my GX1, still love it.

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Ooh dear, it should having nothing to do MF/AF. Pls look at OP again quoted as below:

Quote: "how do i set the camera screen so what i see on the screen is the same as the pics i shoot turn out? my first shot was super dark, but it looked fine on the screen."

If I am not wrong, it is the lightness condition of the simulated image in LCD =/= output.

???

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

Click to expand...

That sounds more like the behaviour it's meant to exhibit when in manual focus (not sure if that's both with an M43 lens switched to MF, or only a non-M43) - and shouldn't happen, after a reset, if you're using an ordinary M43 lens, set to Autofocus.

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How can it be? The lightness condition of the simulated image in LCD has nothing to do with the lightness of output because of AF/MF.

Isola Verde said:

Not sure I know enough / you've told us enough, to identify the problem's source -

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Agreed. But it should have pointed a direction to the simulated in LCD is bright but output is dark. It is a wrong (under exposure for this) issue.

This can be happened to M mode without activated Preview to monitor the setting.

So I asked OP what is his shooting mode but no answer.

Isola Verde said:

but my own next step would be to contact the seller, to see if they've another copy with which you could exchange yours?

Peter

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patticake said:

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

Click to expand...

That sounds more like the behaviour it's meant to exhibit when in manual focus (not sure if that's both with an M43 lens switched to MF, or only a non-M43) - and shouldn't happen, after a reset, if you're using an ordinary M43 lens, set to Autofocus.

Not sure I know enough / you've told us enough, to identify the problem's source - but my own next step would be to contact the seller, to see if they've another copy with which you could exchange yours?

Peter

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thanks! * bangs head on desk*

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Had you tried to shoot in A mode and use Auto ISO?

Your issue in OP should be nothing to do with MF lens. I adapted vintage film lenses on M43, including GX1 for many years. Your finding should not be caused by native or MF lens. Try A to see could it be better.

patticake said:

the only m4/3 lens i have till tomorrow is a manual focus third-party lens from TTArtisan. it's been a few years since i owned a m4/3 camera, and i usually used panasonic or olympus lenses then.

since i have a native lens due to arrive tomorrow from B&H, i'll wait till it arrives to contact keh. maybe using a native lens will fix the issues. that would be great!

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Try A mode first... GX1 is good to use adapted MF lenses.

pannumon said:

Gato Amarillo said:

patticake said:

Isola Verde said:

patticake said:

the first thing i did when the camera arrived was a factory reset. i just did it again.

i thought i had it sorted out, but that didn't last. mysterious!

edit...

the camera could have problems. exposure comp doesn't work, instead the button / dial brings up a magnifier.

Click to expand...

....

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

You moved me to dig out my GX1 and try some of this.

I think with your all-manual lens ex comp only works in A and P modes -- not in S because the camera cannot control the manual aperture. Pressing the dial toggles between ex comp and magnified view.

Click to expand...

Yep, with older Panasonics and lenses without electronic contacts, use the A(perture priority) mode!!! (P mode may work as well)

Set the aperture from the lens. Then set the shutter speed by adjusting ISO. Now the aperture, shutter speed and ISO are all set. If the shutter speed value is not visible on the screen, half press the shutter release button.

Also set "constant preview" on from the menu.

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GX1 does not use Constant Preview to enable preview in M mode. Preview can just been assigned to a fn key and use it to activate the feature.

pannumon said:

I can also verify that pressing the real dial toggles magnification with older Panasonics (except G1 and GH1 IIRC).

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alcelc said:

pannumon said:

Also set "constant preview" on from the menu.

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GX1 does not use Constant Preview to enable preview in M mode. Preview can just been assigned to a fn key and use it to activate the feature.

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This is true, my bad. I thought GX1 had constant preview because it was released after GH2, which has it.

Anyway, constant preview is more or less the solution for this on newer cameras (and GH2).

pannumon said:

alcelc said:

pannumon said:

Also set "constant preview" on from the menu.

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GX1 does not use Constant Preview to enable preview in M mode. Preview can just been assigned to a fn key and use it to activate the feature.

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This is true, my bad. I thought GX1 had constant preview because it was released after GH2, which has it.

Anyway, constant preview is more or less the solution for this on newer cameras (and GH2).

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Actually I also thought so initially...

Just realized GX1 has no CP by going through my worksheet on comparing the Menu of various Pannys...

I guess GX1 has inherited the operation of G1, which has a preset fn key for Preview so no CP is needed in Menu. GX1 goes a step further, making Preview an optional and assignable item. Unfortunately it never relate up the relationship between M mode has no Live View & preview in its manual such that this becomes a mysterious feature that could be overlooked by new Panny shooter.

It is what GX1 should produce under M mode, in default view and using Preview:

Key: SS= Shutter Speed



The first row of images were under the default view at 1/160" & 1.6" shutter speed respectively. They are looking very similar in terms of lighting condition of the simulated image in LCD.

The next two rows of images showed the change in lighting condition before and after Preview been enabled. Obviously while the image under default view of SS=1/160" looking bright enough, it actually will capture a very dark output. This might be what you had said in your OP.

Under P/S/A mode of GX1 which uses real time Live View, you would see much smaller problem. While Live View is convenience, it has a lot of limitation and need to understand its actual meaning (less true to the output).

Preview has to be assigned to a fn key:

1) Custom Menu:


P.150 of GX1 pdf manual

2) Options can be assigned to fn key:


P.110 of GX1 pdf manual

3) Effect of shutter speed (under Preview) is used to monitor the simulated combined effect (mainly lighting condition) of parameters in used:



I assigned Preview to fn1 of my GX1. I had stuck a rhinestone over fn1 enabling me to locate it by feeling when my eye is concentrated on the external evf. It is a very useful feature to the older Panny models on exposure setting.



Wishing the above can help.

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thanks, all, for the suggestions. my G1X is mostly behaving now it has a micro 4/3 lens on it. preview isn't behaving quite as hoped - it only shows during the first second of a half shutter press, but that'll do for now.

i admit i wish i'd have gotten a slightly newer camera, but i'm still enjoying this one.

alcelc said:

It is what GX1 should produce under M mode, in default view and using Preview:

Key: SS= Shutter Speed



The first row of images were under the default view at 1/160" & 1.6" shutter speed respectively. They are looking very similar in terms of lighting condition of the simulated image in LCD.

The next two rows of images showed the change in lighting condition before and after Preview been enabled. Obviously while the image under default view of SS=1/160" looking bright enough, it actually will capture a very dark output. This might be what you had said in your OP.

Under P/S/A mode of GX1 which uses real time Live View, you would see much smaller problem. While Live View is convenience, it has a lot of limitation and need to understand its actual meaning (less true to the output).

Preview has to be assigned to a fn key:

1) Custom Menu:


P.150 of GX1 pdf manual

2) Options can be assigned to fn key:


P.110 of GX1 pdf manual

3) Effect of shutter speed (under Preview) is used to monitor the simulated combined effect (mainly lighting condition) of parameters in used:



I assigned Preview to fn1 of my GX1. I had stuck a rhinestone over fn1 enabling me to locate it by feeling when my eye is concentrated on the external evf. It is a very useful feature to the older Panny models on exposure setting.



Wishing the above can help.

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the first thing i did after reading the manual was assign preview to the fn 1 button. it doesn't stay on, but it does come on for a second each time - not enough time to adjust, but enough to know i need to adjust. does your stay on while you adjust?

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Also love it with the Pana 20 f1.7 as a street shooting camera.

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