http://macbuyersguide.com/editorials/editorial-ppc970.htm
Once again, this is from a Mac-centric site. Like you said, "Enough"?
Once again, this is from a Mac-centric site. Like you said, "Enough"?
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Are pro's using PC or Mac?
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Dave Beaman
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What I meant was that, You walk into a Pc store and you will find brands making the same type of App. Where as walk in Mac store and you will find software for what ever need you have but not as many choices of brands for each type. The software that is available is usually very well done. Of course most of the major apps are supplied in both formats.
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E.K.-photography
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You all are forgetting to add the fact that PC's are ALWAYS having VIRUSes!!!
I have been using Mac for 13 years and NOT once Have I had a VIRUS!!!!!
Point Made????
I have been using Mac for 13 years and NOT once Have I had a VIRUS!!!!!
Point Made????
Charles Bandes
Senior Member
As Chris mentioned, the real innovations of the G5 machines have more to do with system architecture than processor speed.
The faster/wider system bus, the capacity for 8GB of RAM, FW800... these are the things that really matter to creative professionals. These are also the things that most of the competiton is lacking. The availability of crazy-fast processors is just a bonus.
Charles Bandes
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The faster/wider system bus, the capacity for 8GB of RAM, FW800... these are the things that really matter to creative professionals. These are also the things that most of the competiton is lacking. The availability of crazy-fast processors is just a bonus.
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Ron Baskin
Well-known member
Start with video that doesn't stutter. Smoother video editing. We won't even mention the fact that while you can experience program crashes on a MAC the whole system doesn't go down!
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Ron Baskin
ResIpsaLoquitur
Senior Member
Never used it, so I can't comment on that.
Neither does a Win XP system. The worst crashes (normally freezes) I witnessed were always on Macs, normally while some supplier was trying to demo something
The problem with threads like this one is there can never be a "right" answer. Both systems have their strengths.
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ResIpsaLoquitur
Senior Member
Point is there are not enough Macs to interest the virus writers. PC's suffer from their own immense popularity in this respect.
RIL
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Chris Dodkin
Guest
Actually Nanook, you'll find that Apple developed Firewire along with Sony, so I don't see any PC manufacturers involved in that innovation.
Having firewire as standard means that I can use any Apple laptop or desktop for my photography without having to add on any 3rd party cards or software.
And it's a full 6 pin firewire, which charges the iPod I use for image back-up storage.
All integrated from the day I buy the Mac.
And here's where you keep missing the point.
With Apple the 'add-ons' are std, built in, available ahead of the PC market, integrated into the std software, on the machine when you buy it.
So you get it first, and it's fully supported and working from day one.
Apple had the first machines with colour displays, first laptop, first machines with built-in CD drives, first machines with built in CD burners, first machines with built-in DVD drives, first machines with built-in DVD burners as std, first with 802.11B as standard, first with 802.11G as std, first with built-in networking as std, first with 1Gb Ethernet as std....the list goes on and on.
You see they innovate, they don't have to play 'me too'.
That's just one thing that gives them the edge, and makes them more attractive. Then there's OS, built-in apps, better GUI.....
Obviously you will never be convinced, and likewise I prefer my Mac over my PC for phtoography.
I have both, I use Mac because I see the advantages it gives me as a photographer.
And I appreciate the variety that Apple bring to an otherwise 'grey' PC market-place.
At least they give people a choice.
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Having firewire as standard means that I can use any Apple laptop or desktop for my photography without having to add on any 3rd party cards or software.
And it's a full 6 pin firewire, which charges the iPod I use for image back-up storage.
All integrated from the day I buy the Mac.
And here's where you keep missing the point.
With Apple the 'add-ons' are std, built in, available ahead of the PC market, integrated into the std software, on the machine when you buy it.
So you get it first, and it's fully supported and working from day one.
Apple had the first machines with colour displays, first laptop, first machines with built-in CD drives, first machines with built in CD burners, first machines with built-in DVD drives, first machines with built-in DVD burners as std, first with 802.11B as standard, first with 802.11G as std, first with built-in networking as std, first with 1Gb Ethernet as std....the list goes on and on.
You see they innovate, they don't have to play 'me too'.
That's just one thing that gives them the edge, and makes them more attractive. Then there's OS, built-in apps, better GUI.....
Obviously you will never be convinced, and likewise I prefer my Mac over my PC for phtoography.
I have both, I use Mac because I see the advantages it gives me as a photographer.
And I appreciate the variety that Apple bring to an otherwise 'grey' PC market-place.
At least they give people a choice.
Chris.
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Chris Dodkin
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Mac = innovation
PC = 'me too'
In so many cases.
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PC = 'me too'
In so many cases.
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Chris Dodkin
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The features are built-in
I don't have to add on
I get a DVD burner in every G5 machine, not just the top of the range model for $5k.
Before apple introduced the superdrive DVD burner, the PC world wanted over $5k just for a std alone DVD burner! That's right, Pioneer DVD burners were $5k just for the drive, and software to DVD author was extra.
Mass production after Apple standardised on DVD has benefitted everyone by bringing down prices.
The same happened with CD drives, and CD burners.
And you PC guys were so happy when you could run PS on a PC and toast a Mac for speed. You couldn't tell Mac users often enough.
Now it's the other way around for a while, you just say 'it's all lies'
Hillarious!
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I don't have to add on
I get a DVD burner in every G5 machine, not just the top of the range model for $5k.
Before apple introduced the superdrive DVD burner, the PC world wanted over $5k just for a std alone DVD burner! That's right, Pioneer DVD burners were $5k just for the drive, and software to DVD author was extra.
Mass production after Apple standardised on DVD has benefitted everyone by bringing down prices.
The same happened with CD drives, and CD burners.
And you PC guys were so happy when you could run PS on a PC and toast a Mac for speed. You couldn't tell Mac users often enough.
Now it's the other way around for a while, you just say 'it's all lies'
Hillarious!
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Chris Dodkin
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So the fact that the G5 toasted the AMD in Photoshop is public record, tested by a PC magazine, and that's important to people doing digital photography, right?
So that's a point worth making...something that people who want to use this machine for their imaging work would need to know.
Something relevant to their question about who uses Mac for photography and why.
And my views on why I prefer Mac for photography have been well documented, and as a Mac & PC user they provide useful perspective.
You have a different view, which is fine, but why you need to trash my viewpoint, I'm not really sure.
I'm sure one more Mac sale to the poor guy who started this thread, won't ruin the PC manufacturers day.
I made my choice, and I'm happy with it.
Period.
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So that's a point worth making...something that people who want to use this machine for their imaging work would need to know.
Something relevant to their question about who uses Mac for photography and why.
And my views on why I prefer Mac for photography have been well documented, and as a Mac & PC user they provide useful perspective.
You have a different view, which is fine, but why you need to trash my viewpoint, I'm not really sure.
I'm sure one more Mac sale to the poor guy who started this thread, won't ruin the PC manufacturers day.
I made my choice, and I'm happy with it.
Period.
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Chris Dodkin
Guest
Whilst PCs suffered with Blaster Worm, SoBig etc etc, I could just focus on getting my images processed and out to the publisher on time.
No Mac virus issues, that's a pipe dream........
But avoiding the recent MS related security issues has been a major bonus, and has enabled me to submit ahead of PC based photographers on a number of occasions.
So it's produced a significant $$$ advantage, and given me a lot less stress.
Long may the minority appeal of the Mac keep the virus authors looking at the 95% MS target..
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No Mac virus issues, that's a pipe dream........
But avoiding the recent MS related security issues has been a major bonus, and has enabled me to submit ahead of PC based photographers on a number of occasions.
So it's produced a significant $$$ advantage, and given me a lot less stress.
Long may the minority appeal of the Mac keep the virus authors looking at the 95% MS target..
Chris.
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unbound
Leading Member
Hardware is hardware. It's software that really counts.
I work in a mixed environment. My partner uses a Mac, I use a PC. I never have to ask her to do something for me, but she often has to ask me to do stuff for her. Why? Because the software that is needed to do the job is just not available on the Mac. And without the software, the hardware can be as fast and glamourous as you want it to be, yet be unable to perform the job in the most efficient way. And to me that is key... with the Mac, you are limited to a very narrow set of software choices, with a PC, the choices are much greater. Want noise reduction, want album generation, image archiving, and all those other tools that we need as pro's? A decent choice is available for Mac's, but better tools are available for PC's, and that's what really counts.
Mac's are compatible with nothing but themselves, and often with only certain things within their own product line. The display that you are looking at... look at the specs... it only works with a subset of currently shipping Macs.
If the OS was the determining choice, we would all be using Linux, but we don't. Why? Because the 'best of class' software isn't there. Same with Macs... adequate but not all that great tools.
I work in a mixed environment. My partner uses a Mac, I use a PC. I never have to ask her to do something for me, but she often has to ask me to do stuff for her. Why? Because the software that is needed to do the job is just not available on the Mac. And without the software, the hardware can be as fast and glamourous as you want it to be, yet be unable to perform the job in the most efficient way. And to me that is key... with the Mac, you are limited to a very narrow set of software choices, with a PC, the choices are much greater. Want noise reduction, want album generation, image archiving, and all those other tools that we need as pro's? A decent choice is available for Mac's, but better tools are available for PC's, and that's what really counts.
Mac's are compatible with nothing but themselves, and often with only certain things within their own product line. The display that you are looking at... look at the specs... it only works with a subset of currently shipping Macs.
If the OS was the determining choice, we would all be using Linux, but we don't. Why? Because the 'best of class' software isn't there. Same with Macs... adequate but not all that great tools.
I left the Mac Platform, cause it seemed cheaper to get PC's. We needed to upgrade.
Big mistake. They might be cheaper on the front end, but ownership cost killed us on our Dells. Mostly hardware and support. Honestly XP seems pretty good, but I have to say that Panther running on my new G5 dual is incredible! I can open thirty or forty apps if I need to and it never crashes.
Speaking as a photographer, colorsync and applescript, make my life so much easier. Windows has nothing to compare. Apple always catered to creatives and it shows in the new OS.
Big mistake. They might be cheaper on the front end, but ownership cost killed us on our Dells. Mostly hardware and support. Honestly XP seems pretty good, but I have to say that Panther running on my new G5 dual is incredible! I can open thirty or forty apps if I need to and it never crashes.
Speaking as a photographer, colorsync and applescript, make my life so much easier. Windows has nothing to compare. Apple always catered to creatives and it shows in the new OS.
Macs network very well with Windows. The same can't be said for Windows networking with Macs. Heck Windows don't network well with Windows where you have a large range of OS's and systems.
To many companies switched to PC's to save money (like my own) and they think the have to justify it now. I have yet to find a single thing another photographer can do on his machine that I can't, plus I can probably create an automated solution to do it and in half the time.
The bottom line is we are now more productive with Macs.
To many companies switched to PC's to save money (like my own) and they think the have to justify it now. I have yet to find a single thing another photographer can do on his machine that I can't, plus I can probably create an automated solution to do it and in half the time.
The bottom line is we are now more productive with Macs.
I do a lot of industrial photography. I always thought that Macs were used mostly by artists, photogs, graphics people, and that sort. I am amazed to see so many Macs, many of them old machines running in the engineering and design departments of some very large manufacturers.
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Chris Dodkin
Guest
It's been touted for years as a key reason to go PC.
As a pro photographer I have everying I need on the Mac, and they even chuck-in some really useful i-apps with every machine.
As Mac OS is now Unix based, I expect we'll see a wealth of additional open systems SW development on the Mac OS/Unix platform, and that's great news for photographers everwhere.
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As a pro photographer I have everying I need on the Mac, and they even chuck-in some really useful i-apps with every machine.
As Mac OS is now Unix based, I expect we'll see a wealth of additional open systems SW development on the Mac OS/Unix platform, and that's great news for photographers everwhere.
Chris.
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unbound
Leading Member
I never made a "No Software" claim, just a "Choices are much more limited" claim. And that is the truth... Mac software choices are very limited, and often involve serious compromises when compared to the available PC options. And let's not even get into hardware choices, where there is probably a 10-1 ratio in favor of PC based devices.
The "i-apps" are a joke if you are doing real work... to use them as an example in a pro forum is ludicrous. They are nice for mom and dad to organize their kids pictures, but I would hardly place them in a professional category. A simple $45 utility like Breezebrowser for the PC has i-Photo beat by leagues when it comes to basic photo work.
BTW... OS-X is Unix based, but it is not Unix binary compatible. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any Open-anything for Mac's, the most proprietary system out there.
The "i-apps" are a joke if you are doing real work... to use them as an example in a pro forum is ludicrous. They are nice for mom and dad to organize their kids pictures, but I would hardly place them in a professional category. A simple $45 utility like Breezebrowser for the PC has i-Photo beat by leagues when it comes to basic photo work.
BTW... OS-X is Unix based, but it is not Unix binary compatible. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any Open-anything for Mac's, the most proprietary system out there.
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Chris Dodkin
Guest
I'll say it again.....
As a pro photographer I have everying I need on the Mac, and they
even chuck-in some really useful i-apps with every machine.
So I have no issues getting the image processing SW I need to do my job on the Mac.
Just because there's software out there, doesn't mean it's worth having, or that I need it to do my job.
And I never even mentioned i-Photo, you did!
I do use i-sight to talk to clients/publishers
I do use i-tunes to give me something to listen too whilst I work, and populate my iPod with tunes for use in the field.
I do use i-movie to put together Quicktime slide shows of my 1D images, and i-DVD to burn demo DVDs for clients.
And they all came with the Mac, and provides me with useful value add.
Of course I could buy all of this extra software for a PC, but with my Mac it's included in the package.
Chris.
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As a pro photographer I have everying I need on the Mac, and they
even chuck-in some really useful i-apps with every machine.
So I have no issues getting the image processing SW I need to do my job on the Mac.
Just because there's software out there, doesn't mean it's worth having, or that I need it to do my job.
And I never even mentioned i-Photo, you did!
I do use i-sight to talk to clients/publishers
I do use i-tunes to give me something to listen too whilst I work, and populate my iPod with tunes for use in the field.
I do use i-movie to put together Quicktime slide shows of my 1D images, and i-DVD to burn demo DVDs for clients.
And they all came with the Mac, and provides me with useful value add.
Of course I could buy all of this extra software for a PC, but with my Mac it's included in the package.
Chris.
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ResIpsaLoquitur
Senior Member
I just read the article:
"According to information supplied by IBM, Intel Pentium 4 and similar chips (including AMD's Barton) running at 3 GHz or faster are expected to outperform the fastest PPC970 [AKA G5] available at introduction.
RIL
"According to information supplied by IBM, Intel Pentium 4 and similar chips (including AMD's Barton) running at 3 GHz or faster are expected to outperform the fastest PPC970 [AKA G5] available at introduction.
RIL
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