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Jared Hunter said:
df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...
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It's funny how people look down on China when in fact they are
turning out so much high quality consumer electronics that we take
for granted, from Palm handhelds to Microsoft and Logitech hardware
to computer motherboards and practically all PC computer enclosures
etc. etc.
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This is true, and it will probably only become more true!

By the way, Taiwan and China are separate countries and interestingly, China asserts that Taiwan is its property, while Taiwan thinks this is absolute nonsense (a Taiwanese friend of mine suggested that China is a part of Taiwan!). Interesting piece of political information for you!

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Johann
http://www.therealting.com/photos
 
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.
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I agree 100%, excellent analysis!
 
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
 
dchao said:
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can
even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
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We make satellites, military hardware and the best communications gear in the world.

While you can debate whether the US could build an AFFORDABLE digital camera, there is no question that this country has the technical know how.
 
What's the difference where it is made anyway, Canon can open manufacturing plants anywhere it likes. Quality control is a company issue, not a territory issue. Please don't go speculating about the USA either.
dchao said:
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can
even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
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http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
I can easily afford a 10d but I decided to get the rebel and upgrade when technology dictates. Hey, some people feel the need to look liike a professional photographer. I have no idea why anyone would think they are being admired ...I would rather be seen as a man of wealth and leisure than being mistaken for someone having to work ...especially while you are out having fun with your camera.
Jinxy said:
Can we stop all this PETTY moaning and talk about what great photos
we could all be taking.

Thanx everyone
Jon
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery
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http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
I agree with every point you made, except the flash problem. Clearly the flash system on the DR is flawed, it usually cannot even take a properly exposed picture with built-in flash in full auto. So much for auto mode insuring that anyone can take a photo. Canon could, and should fix the flash issue with a free firmware update, if that means enabling FEC then so be it. Fortunately, I do not do much flash photography, if I did, I would be rather upset. Otherwise, I am very happy with the D-Rebel.
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery
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Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
 
Interesting, everything you've mentioned are things that can be used in a war to kill someone.

But at least, in the Far East, people build toys, cameras, computers and cars, to improve quality of life and not for violence.

Well ... I didn't start the insulting with the "made in china toys" thing.
Jason said:
dchao said:
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can
even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
Click to expand...
We make satellites, military hardware and the best communications
gear in the world.

While you can debate whether the US could build an AFFORDABLE
digital camera, there is no question that this country has the
technical know how.
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dchao said:
Interesting, everything you've mentioned are things that can be
used in a war to kill someone.
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Or to protect.
dchao said:
But at least, in the Far East, people build toys, cameras,
computers and cars, to improve quality of life and not for violence.
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Let's not start a political war here. I am sure if we all tried we could find things bad about every country in the world.
dchao said:
Well ... I didn't start the insulting with the "made in china toys"
thing.
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But you certainly took the opportunity to add to the insulting.
dchao said:
Jason said:
dchao said:
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can
even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
Click to expand...
We make satellites, military hardware and the best communications
gear in the world.

While you can debate whether the US could build an AFFORDABLE
digital camera, there is no question that this country has the
technical know how.
Click to expand...
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--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
dchao said:
At least China/Taiwan has ability to make one, I doubt the USA can
even make one as cheap or as good the 300D.
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Importing technology is a beautiful thing, but let's not forget that it is imported. I doubt China or Taiwan has the ability to "make one" from scratch as Japan has done. Likewise, the same is true for western companies. When was the last time an American company, given the great technology the US has in its military and industry, invented a dSLR that can compete with a Canon product? That says nothing of these country's ability to be ultra efficient at producing the 300D. It speaks to their ability to invent it!

--
300D in Korea @ http://www.pbase.com/stevenpa
 
I really haven't experienced any issues with the on board flash, it works the way it should for me.
DannyV said:
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery
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--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
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--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
Perhaps your camera is broken, and is properly exposing flash shots.
Wild-Mike said:
DannyV said:
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery
Click to expand...
--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
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--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems
longer -- Albert Einstein
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--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
 
Some people do experience problem with the flash exposure. The problem is generally not the user, but the way E-TTL is designed.

E-TTL is sensitive to the reflectance of the subject, where as flash metering should be weighted more towards flash-to-subject distance. Given this limitation, I think DR should have FEC.

Your S45 has FEC, and my G3 has FEC, and the DR is aimed at people like us, why shouldn't DR also has FEC?
Wild-Mike said:
I really haven't experienced any issues with the on board flash, it
works the way it should for me.
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No, that is Kodak, not the US. Take a look at the images from Nasa's Hubble. The best digital cameras that Canon or any other manufacturer might have are child's play in comparison.
Jared Hunter said:
Jason said:
there is no question that this country has the
technical know how.
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Are you sure when it comes to digital cameras? It is now 2003 and
Kodak still makes cameras that turn out pathetic images like these:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/kodak/dx6440-review/101_0024.JPG

(complete smearing of details)

Let's hope I'm wrong...maybe Kodaks are rebranded Asian cameras?
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http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
Anybody who didn't reserach the camera enough to realise all those things before they bought the camera has no right to complain :)

the rebel is 2.5fps, 4 frame buffer - 10D is 4ps, 9 frame buffer

there are a couple of other thing you missed out, but i couldn't be bothered going into them

i'm too excited to think....i'm probably going to buy it this arvo :)
 
Oh, I agree that leaving FEC out was pretty dumb in my opinion. I agree that it should be included in firmware updates too.
dchao said:
E-TTL is sensitive to the reflectance of the subject, where as
flash metering should be weighted more towards flash-to-subject
distance. Given this limitation, I think DR should have FEC.

Your S45 has FEC, and my G3 has FEC, and the DR is aimed at people
like us, why shouldn't DR also has FEC?
Wild-Mike said:
I really haven't experienced any issues with the on board flash, it
works the way it should for me.
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--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
DannyV said:
Wild-Mike said:
DannyV said:
Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery
Click to expand...
--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
Click to expand...
--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems
longer -- Albert Einstein
Click to expand...
--
Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
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--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein
 
First Kodak built one of the backup mirror for the Hubble.

Second, the original Perkin-Elmer mirror also was also flawed, and it cost $1.5 billion !
Wild-Mike said:
No, that is Kodak, not the US. Take a look at the images from
Nasa's Hubble. The best digital cameras that Canon or any other
manufacturer might have are child's play in comparison.
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OK, there's lots of reasons to buy this camera, or the 10d. But here's my compelling reason.

I got a DR kit for $875, but I've not invested about $2500 with lenses, cases, tripods, filters, etc (and I'm a helluva shopper). I'm having an absolute ball and learning the hobby all over again. Come ON... most of us don't really need the few missing features. (and those who do should buy the 10D)

AND: I'd be REALLY ANNOYED if I paid more for the body and Canon released an 11 megapixel camera with more features, 6400 ASA, 10 images/second, all for $999, in 6 months or a year. And, of course, they will. As is, I'll put up my 300D body on e-bay, sell it for $650 or so, and feel great about buying the next generation, secure in the knowledge that I got a year of pleasure from the Rebel all for about $200.

I speak from experience. I bought the Sony F717 for $800, had a blast with it for 6 months, and sold it on e-bay for $750 to finance my DRebel. Cost of upgrade? $125! Life with photography? Priceless!
 
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