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What's wrong with Silver Plastic??!!
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Mike, I can see where you are coming from, but then by the same token the editor of a newspaper wouldn't be editing the newspaper because it isn't a newspaper until it is published?
Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying and I am myself all for the ability to alter your own posted messages, which as far as I know is not currently possible on DPReview.
I realise I am just interpreting it differently and can completely understand how it could be read another way.
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I don't have a photo to demonstrate, but on top of my head, it might happen if you are shooting through a glass window during a sunny day. Normally because the room is darker than the outside, no reflections will occured on the glass, but once you walk close to the window, the sun will shine direct onto the camera. A silver camera will cast a reflection on the glass.
I think even eos300d will cast a reflection in this case. For testing purpose, I've put a grey fabric and a black chair next to each other, and the grey fabric cast a clear reflection whereas the reflection of the black chair is barely visible. I would think 300d is more reflective than grey fabric.
But maybe this is only a problem of super strong sunlight here in Australia.
Daniella68313
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decades? the last time I checked it was in 2000 and it was still fiber glass. since when? what decade?
They are plastic. Now to the
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Thanx Mike.
Daniella68313
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then buy the 828...it will probably a good camera. Not a DSLR and limited to 200mm but hey...you get what you pay for.
If you buy a camera just for the look of it..can you tell me what car you drive? I am pretty much willing to bet it's an ugly square box..or is it a slylish pretty car?
have you seen the photos from the 300D? now have you seen the photos from the 828? hmm ..I'll take the plastic body anytime if the metal body produce such [email protected] were cr@p big time.
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If you buy a camera just for the look of it..can you tell me what car you drive? I am pretty much willing to bet it's an ugly square box..or is it a slylish pretty car?
have you seen the photos from the 300D? now have you seen the photos from the 828? hmm ..I'll take the plastic body anytime if the metal body produce such [email protected] were cr@p big time.
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Daniella68313
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It is light and small for a DSLR..that is very important. new technology in material permit to have lighter equipement...you have to fallow the progress..
Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or exercice..you cannot appreciate this.
But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image quality and that it will do what you need for your type of photography.
The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will not loose those shots any longer.
There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
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Fiew people here dropped their 300d and it was not cracked nor broken after that fall...that does not mean that because it is plastic it is cheap. it is just lighter and easier. I am very pleased that I can carry it all day and would not change it for a heavier camera. Of course if you don't do much hiking or exercice..you cannot appreciate this.
But anyway..I think you missed the point..or are you superficial to that extend? The most important in buying a camera is the image quality and that it will do what you need for your type of photography.
The 300D takes excellent photos with superb image quality. It can take lenses of very powerful zoom..and with it I can have a 800mm of zoom power if I wish. I can focus on a flying bird and catch it in less time that it has to flip its wings and be gone...so I will not loose those shots any longer.
There is more involved then "look"...a very superficial and nonsense way of evaluating a camera.
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Daniella68313
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what???? what are you talking about? the lens does not pickup the color nor the reflection of the body.
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Daniella68313
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oh..that explain why a black camera does not show up in a mirror and a silver does....
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--I don't know for sure, as I didn't design them
But I think the white lens only come in big lens intended for
telephoto, which meant chance of reflection from objects in a long
distance away is minimal if there's possibility of any at all. ie
reflection doesn't come into play here. And because these lens are
mostly used for outdoor, white (less heat obsortion) would be nice.
note, I have yet to see a silver lense, I guess that can easily
blind you under strong sun light.
(the silver bit is only my guess)
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Daniella68313
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since when pros shoot through windows ? but anyway, you can use a polarizer filter to eliminate the reflection on the glass..works fine.
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Daniella68313
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reflected in the lens....I am very curious to see this. I have been at the zoo and shooted through glass...I could see the reflection and of course my blond hair and my hands...but with the polarizer filter that is gone.
I shooted in the bright sun here in California..and I beleive that the sun here is as strong as other places in the world..and never had any reflection in my photos from the body of the camera.
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I shooted in the bright sun here in California..and I beleive that the sun here is as strong as other places in the world..and never had any reflection in my photos from the body of the camera.
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Wild-Mike
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Just like the 300D plastic case, the glock's also have a plastic case. The 300D is not all plastic.
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I quoted the word "respect" in an effort to let the reader make their own inference. By that, I simply mean that the guy carrying the extreme example will, rightly or wrongly, be viewed and held in a different light -- usually a light that casts him as experienced or expert, and accomodation being made for him.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, good or bad -- it's simply my observation both in the position of the guy carrying a good part of the "extreme example" and as a third party carrying nothing at all, but simply watching same.
A similar phenomenon occurs in my HAM radio activities. My HAM radio club often volunteers to provide communications for marathons, fun runs, bicycle tours (like the MS-150) and other public service events. We have no decision making authority -- we simply provide a radio link between officials and other official personnel spread out across these events.
We carry hand-held two way VHF/UHF radios (and two way car radios) as our tool-in-trade and have our own efficient lingo. Like the photographer carrying a "professional" looking camera rig, we too, are perceiived by the public as having some "authority" either in command decision (we don't) or simply as a source of information (true) and therefore earn the "respect" of the non-officiating participants.
That "respect" can translate into getting people to do things for you. Not that we do that -- but because we appear to "fit the role" that is held as authoritative in this context, we stand out.
Again, these are just my observations from being a HAM and photographer for many years.
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I'm not saying it's right or wrong, good or bad -- it's simply my observation both in the position of the guy carrying a good part of the "extreme example" and as a third party carrying nothing at all, but simply watching same.
A similar phenomenon occurs in my HAM radio activities. My HAM radio club often volunteers to provide communications for marathons, fun runs, bicycle tours (like the MS-150) and other public service events. We have no decision making authority -- we simply provide a radio link between officials and other official personnel spread out across these events.
We carry hand-held two way VHF/UHF radios (and two way car radios) as our tool-in-trade and have our own efficient lingo. Like the photographer carrying a "professional" looking camera rig, we too, are perceiived by the public as having some "authority" either in command decision (we don't) or simply as a source of information (true) and therefore earn the "respect" of the non-officiating participants.
That "respect" can translate into getting people to do things for you. Not that we do that -- but because we appear to "fit the role" that is held as authoritative in this context, we stand out.
Again, these are just my observations from being a HAM and photographer for many years.
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Mats Neander
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--I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?
Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!
And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.
I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!
Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work
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Mats N
EOS600/EOS300D/EF-S18-55/EF24-85/EF70-200.4L/EOSIX/KonicaAutoreflexTCwHexanon40mmF1,8/CanonetQL17/RicohFF1s
Only fault is that the 300D silver finish is ugly and way too slippery, nothing else!
It could have been black and not so slippery as it is now, or maybe a dark grey color, just not this shiny silver.
Plastic is OK, since it helps get this "nice" price, but I´m sure(!) that the silver color is not any cheaper than grey or black, 100% sure on that!!!
Maybe the "simple" people Canon intend the 300D for, do like silver better, as a group, globally speaking??? Canon might have made some marketing research including preferred colors in the " estimated" buyer group they aimed the 300D for ...???
Well, I´m "simple" (in Canon´s view...) since I did buy the 300D, but I DO differ(?) in the color taste, and don´t like it in silver.
It didn´t hinder the purchase, though...since the thing´s PERFORMANCE is way more important, and I do know it performs pretty well, having tried it before purchase.
Mats in Sweden
Max Fun
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If you can, you'll be able to see the camera reflected in the glass, including your hands and your body that will not be black.
I'd agree if you said the glare from a shiny reflective surface will affect your shot, but the 300D is not that reflective, and will not be as reflective as a white L lens.
Besides, when will a pro get caught taking images like that.
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I'd agree if you said the glare from a shiny reflective surface will affect your shot, but the 300D is not that reflective, and will not be as reflective as a white L lens.
Besides, when will a pro get caught taking images like that.
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Max Fun
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You buy the camera for the picture quality. Even if the camera runs against your sensitive aesthetic taste, it doesn't make it any less capable.
Anyway, when you're looking through the viewfinder, you can't see the camera! And that's what we should be doing with the camera!
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Anyway, when you're looking through the viewfinder, you can't see the camera! And that's what we should be doing with the camera!
----I keep reading about complains regarding the build quality of the
300D. And I just want to ask... wat's up with that?
Does a camera have to be made of metal to be good? Even if it is
made of metal, will you throw it around anyhow? Someone dropped the
DRebel down some stairs and it survived. Is that strong enough
build? Let's say the metal body can survive a greater drop, but
your lens and whatever mechanics inside the camera won't!
And then there's the colour thing. What's wrong with silver? Does
being black make a camera better? I quite like the silver colour
actually; at least it doesn't make the camera look like some
antique from the days of yore. You know, if the 300D came in white
to match the L lenses, then maybe people will like it better.
I think people who are used to the old metallic SLRs may not be
used to the 300D, but that's no reason to say that it's one of its
weak points. In fact, being made of plastic makes it lighter and
becomes one of its greatest advantages!
Sorry of the rant, but it's getting late and my experiments didn't
work
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http://max-fun.fotopic.net
Mats N
EOS600/EOS300D/EF-S18-55/EF24-85/EF70-200.4L/EOSIX/KonicaAutoreflexTCwHexanon40mmF1,8/CanonetQL17/RicohFF1s
Only fault is that the 300D silver finish is ugly and way too
slippery, nothing else!
It could have been black and not so slippery as it is now, or maybe
a dark grey color, just not this shiny silver.
Plastic is OK, since it helps get this "nice" price, but I´m
sure(!) that the silver color is not any cheaper than grey or
black, 100% sure on that!!!
Maybe the "simple" people Canon intend the 300D for, do like silver
better, as a group, globally speaking??? Canon might have made some
marketing research including preferred colors in the " estimated"
buyer group they aimed the 300D for ...???
Well, I´m "simple" (in Canon´s view...) since I did buy the 300D,
but I DO differ(?) in the color taste, and don´t like it in silver.
It didn´t hinder the purchase, though...since the thing´s
PERFORMANCE is way more important, and I do know it performs pretty
well, having tried it before purchase.
Mats in Sweden
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http://max-fun.fotopic.net
Mashuri
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Yes, decades. Wherever you got your information from in 2000 misinformed you. Go to http://www.corvetteforum.com and ask, if you doubt my word.
captainjy
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HEHE! That's a nice discount! You know what else you could consider- buy it from Dell.com. I bought mine for $874, no shipping or tax. Now granted, Dell is out of stock a lot on many items, but if you are not in a hurry, it could be worth it. Dell was running a 10% off in their home site and then I found a $25 off $400 coupon. I could have probably gotten it for slightly cheaper, but I can't complain and CompUSA won't get so tired of seeing me! HEHE!!!! Hope you get the 300D soon!!
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