Z9... delays and when did you order yours?

ProDude · Dec 18, 2021

Roland Wooster said:
goldaccess said:

Your thread title is flawed because there are no delays so far.

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Funny, originally at B&H my order used to say "Ships Dec 15" it's now after that, and hasn't shipped, and this has been updated to "Coming soon" to me that seems like a delay. Perhaps to you that's just a flaw in the calendar

I'm afraid those positive thinkers are in for a really big surprise. B&H from what they've even told me, are not even expecting much product in until at least mid to late January that isn't already called for by NPS members. I pre ordered 4th of November and I was told by a email from their buyers' department to not expect mine till a June-August time frame. I have no idea where people are getting the idea product is "flowing". More like a trickle at best and not to the general public.

Wildkits · Dec 18, 2021

Cryhavoc38 said:
I don't recall exactly, but wasn't the R5 panned for 8k overheating just prior to the release of the R5?

If so, I think that would have had an impact on day 1 orders.

It received a lot of negative pub for overheating prior to the release day. I have no idea how that pub impacted initial orders. What I do know is buyers who were photographers only or realized that they didn't need to shoot extended video in 8k were undeterred by the negative press. It was the best non-flagship-level camera released, and it took many months for Canon to catch up with the backlog of orders.

Of course, the camera being at a lower-tier than flagship cameras, Canon desperately needing a strong replacement for the aging 5D Mark IV, and Canon having no other competitive full-frame mirrorless offerings all suggest that Canon probably had a better idea of how popular the R5 was going to be. Thus, I suspect that Canon probably had a much greater initial production run for the R5 than Nikon for the Z9, and the R5 was, nonetheless, still extremely oversubscribed.

In short, I have no idea what the R5 release tells us about Nikon's Z9 release and when B&H will have cameras available for the rest of us.

rick in vegas · Dec 18, 2021

I found that I get items quicker if I order Direct from Nikon USA. B&H doesnt seem to get the stock they use to.

James809 · Dec 18, 2021

Roland Wooster said:
goldaccess said:

Your thread title is flawed because there are no delays so far.

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Funny, originally at B&H my order used to say "Ships Dec 15" it's now after that, and hasn't shipped, and this has been updated to "Coming soon" to me that seems like a delay. Perhaps to you that's just a flaw in the calendar

Nikon moved the date back, the speculation is there will be a "token" delivery to meet the 24-31 December timeframe. My drop-dead date is June 2022. My GAS will have more than abated by then, and if I have to wait 9+ months, I can wait a while longer to buy one used when it doesn't live up to many peoples' expectations and they rage-sell.

Michael Firstlight · Dec 18, 2021

I think Nikon should just move all dPreview members to the front of the queue.

just Tony · Dec 18, 2021

TOF guy said:
Cryhavoc38 said:

jo jo said:

I remember I got my D850 preorder in the first batch from B&H, and I am happy to do business with them for the last 13 years. As of now I believe that B&H is strong and get priority than other stores. I agree that small stores will also get the shipment.

Lets say Nikon have 10 cameras

Small store is asking for 5 and big store asking for 10.

I believe the small store might get 2-3 max and the big store will get 7-8.

I might be wrong but this is what I believe

Sorry for the typo or grammar mistake

-Josh John

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you could be right, but the big store will have a thousand people waiting for the item whereas the smaller store will have much much less.

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Exactly! In practice the big stores B&H Adorama etc. are always the last to catch with the initial demand, because smaller shops get fewer cameras (or lens etc.) but have way fewer orders as well.

Go with the smaller stores if you want your gear quickly.

One does hear that. It hasn’t worked that way for me though.

I waited in vain for a 500 PF at a small store for 9 months (and I was first in line) but got a 105 Micro S from B&H in the first week.

I think that the simplest theories about how the allocations work may be incomplete.

just Tony · Dec 19, 2021

just Tony said:
It hasn’t worked that way for me though.

There is an authorized Nikon store that happens to be nearby, which serves a broad clientele in a variety of outdoor pursuits.

Their photo department is less than 200 sq ft and apparently has a stock of Nikon cameras and lenses that isn't more than 50 or 60 items. I did get my hands onto some Z lenses of potential interest there, and compared the 70-200 S against my E-FL. In other departments there are decent selections of Nikon binoculars and rifle scopes, plus a sprinkling of spotting scopes. It will absolutely be my first destination if I need some new binoculars.

But there's a sad story. They have had a D500 body on order for longer than a year. When it got back onto the shelves at B&H and Adorama back in September, their long neglected order did not get filled.

Certainly it counts that simply being an authorized dealer gets them noticed by the distributor. The Nikon items in the nearby store were heavily weighted towards the Z system, so they haven't been shut out. But maybe there's also a weighting factor for brisk sales volume. Just a guess.

Things get tricky with small granular numbers. What I am quite certain of is that Nikon isn't sawing D500's in half so that they can ship twice as many D250's.

My strategy with pre-orders is to make an educated guess in the face of knowing almost exactly nothing at all, just hanging in with it, and staying busy in the meantime with what I have.

The absolutely quickest way to get a Z9 in the next couple of months might be to swallow a large markup along with a side order of Pride at Craigslist or eBay. There will be speculators doing some rapid turnarounds.

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ProDude · Dec 19, 2021

Wildkits said:
Cryhavoc38 said:

I don't recall exactly, but wasn't the R5 panned for 8k overheating just prior to the release of the R5?

If so, I think that would have had an impact on day 1 orders.

Click to expand...

It received a lot of negative pub for overheating prior to the release day. I have no idea how that pub impacted initial orders. What I do know is buyers who were photographers only or realized that they didn't need to shoot extended video in 8k were undeterred by the negative press. It was the best non-flagship-level camera released, and it took many months for Canon to catch up with the backlog of orders.

Of course, the camera being at a lower-tier than flagship cameras, Canon desperately needing a strong replacement for the aging 5D Mark IV, and Canon having no other competitive full-frame mirrorless offerings all suggest that Canon probably had a better idea of how popular the R5 was going to be. Thus, I suspect that Canon probably had a much greater initial production run for the R5 than Nikon for the Z9, and the R5 was, nonetheless, still extremely oversubscribed.

In short, I have no idea what the R5 release tells us about Nikon's Z9 release and when B&H will have cameras available for the rest of us.

I think the supply of the Z9's will depend largely on WHEN they actually began production. If it was back in September, I feel the pre orders and NPS should be handled by March timeframe. If NOT then it's going to be a very long haul. The buying department through a customer service rep at B&H instructed me not to expect a Z9 until mid to late in 2022. And I pre ordered with them the 5th day it was possible. They simply aren't planning on getting very many out of the 3000 they initially ordered. So in some ways I'm not looking very favorably at this situation. My mid-January I believe we all have a much better idea what to expect.

Joel Klein · Dec 19, 2021

ProDude said:
Wildkits said:

Cryhavoc38 said:

I don't recall exactly, but wasn't the R5 panned for 8k overheating just prior to the release of the R5?

If so, I think that would have had an impact on day 1 orders.

Click to expand...

It received a lot of negative pub for overheating prior to the release day. I have no idea how that pub impacted initial orders. What I do know is buyers who were photographers only or realized that they didn't need to shoot extended video in 8k were undeterred by the negative press. It was the best non-flagship-level camera released, and it took many months for Canon to catch up with the backlog of orders.

Of course, the camera being at a lower-tier than flagship cameras, Canon desperately needing a strong replacement for the aging 5D Mark IV, and Canon having no other competitive full-frame mirrorless offerings all suggest that Canon probably had a better idea of how popular the R5 was going to be. Thus, I suspect that Canon probably had a much greater initial production run for the R5 than Nikon for the Z9, and the R5 was, nonetheless, still extremely oversubscribed.

In short, I have no idea what the R5 release tells us about Nikon's Z9 release and when B&H will have cameras available for the rest of us.

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I think the supply of the Z9's will depend largely on WHEN they actually began production. If it was back in September, I feel the pre orders and NPS should be handled by March timeframe. If NOT then it's going to be a very long haul. The buying department through a customer service rep at B&H instructed me not to expect a Z9 until mid to late in 2022. And I pre ordered with them the 5th day it was possible. They simply aren't planning on getting very many out of the 3000 they initially ordered. So in some ways I'm not looking very favorably at this situation. My mid-January I believe we all have a much better idea what to expect.

ProDude · Dec 20, 2021

Joel Klein said:
How do you know the amount B&H ordered are 3000? I suppose its not information that is being shared with customers, and if you’re an employee at B&H you probably wouldn’t post it in public. So I would suggest the number 3000 is not a real number but rather someone’s assumption.

My conversation with a CS rep at B&H last week who put me on hold and spoke to their Buyer department shared this information with me. It's ALL they could tell me. Of course, they couldn't share how many were spoken for or where I was in the lineup. Take it for what it's worth, which is likely not a lot.

michaeladawson · Dec 20, 2021

I don’t believe the truth in any of the information that is being posted here of B&H customer service calls and shipping date estimates. I believe the people posting. But the dates given by B&H are not to be believed. I think they’re telling people anything just to get them off the phone.

ProDude · Dec 20, 2021

michaeladawson said:
I don’t believe the truth in any of the information that is being posted here of B&H customer service calls and shipping date estimates. I believe the people posting. But the dates given by B&H are not to be believed. I think they’re telling people anything just to get them off the phone.

Oh you can take THAT to the bank. I just report what the say just to let you know the drivel we've being fed. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if what the CS rep said about my not likely seeing a Z9 till June-September with them could be fairly true. That's why I got on 2 other smaller dealers lists that have relatively few pre orders in front of me by comparison. I figure my chances are at least in the ballpark instead of the outer limits.

shuncheung · Dec 20, 2021

ProDude said:
michaeladawson said:

I don’t believe the truth in any of the information that is being posted here of B&H customer service calls and shipping date estimates. I believe the people posting. But the dates given by B&H are not to be believed. I think they’re telling people anything just to get them off the phone.

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I have little doubt that Z9 pre-orders at B&H is into 4 digits, i.e. in the thousands. For camera equipment, it is a huge store in the US, and legally no sale tax is a major attraction. However, it is up to Nikon USA to control the number of Z9 that go to B&H, whose customer service people simply have no idea about that.

I don't necessarily believe all the posts here either, but if someone has an unboxing video, it may be more trust worthy. ;-)

Member said:
Oh you can take THAT to the bank. I just report what the say just to let you know the drivel we've being fed. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if what the CS rep said about my not likely seeing a Z9 till June-September with them could be fairly true.

I don't necessarily believe that it'll take over 6 months either.

Member said:
That's why I got on 2 other smaller dealers lists that have relatively few pre orders in front of me by comparison. I figure my chances are at least in the ballpark instead of the outer limits.

And that is why I take all the pre-order numbers with a grain of salt. Who knows how many people have pre-ordered from 3, 5, 10 different stores and will cancel the rest as soon as they get the first one. Or worse yet, they resell the extra on eBay for a profit.

Dave2400 · Dec 20, 2021

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