Buying a Rebel? Be aware of...

Joao Roberto · Nov 5, 2003

After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

SteveMattan · Nov 5, 2003

Joao Roberto said:
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

That color change via firmware would be a neat trick!

--
Steve Mattan

df1603 · Nov 5, 2003

Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in china" toy...
even the quality of plastic housing on G series was much better than 300D.

sorry to say but I would expect much better material from such relatively expensive camera...

SteveMattan said:
SteveMattan said:

4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Click to expand...

That color change via firmware would be a neat trick!

--
Steve Mattan

Ephsns611 · Nov 5, 2003

Point right on target. I'm thrilled to have a DSLR available that I could afford. I needed to upgrade from my Canon T70 film camera.

My next purchase will be the flash for my DR.

Pj

Joao Roberto · Nov 5, 2003

df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...
even the quality of plastic housing on G series was much better
than 300D.

sorry to say but I would expect much better material from such
relatively expensive camera...

SteveMattan wrote:

A friend of mine has a 10D and to be honest with you, I'm don't think it that paying more worth just for this feeling. I think DR is pretty solid, even made of plastic.

JRGandara
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

Ben Seese · Nov 5, 2003

I have just one nit to pick:

Joao Roberto said:
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.

There is a reason besides the product differentiation from the 10D on this one. The Basic Zone prevents you from making ANY mistakes as far as settings go. An absolute beginner will be gauranteed to have acceptable settings in these zones. Definitely not gauranteed to be the perfect settings, but they're not going to be WAY off, like ISO100.

Otherwise, I complete agree with your post.

Wild-Mike · Nov 5, 2003

So what does that have to do with image quality? Hey, if you suck at photography the best camera in the world won't help. If you are good at photography you can enjoy just about any camera. I made over $3,000.00 with a little Canon S45 and I'm not a photographer. I was just taking pictures as a hobby.

Your whining about the 300D is amusing. Go buy your black camera and quit thinking of the 300D as a status symbol!

df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...
even the quality of plastic housing on G series was much better
than 300D.

sorry to say but I would expect much better material from such
relatively expensive camera...

--
http://tkis.com/wild-mike/

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer -- Albert Einstein

DRG · Nov 5, 2003

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

Sounds like almost every product in existance except for Pinocchio.

Joao Roberto said:
1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.

True for the built-in flash, but rectifiable if you choose the correct external flash (Canon 550EX or Sigma EF-500 DG Super, for example). Also, while not selectable in the field, FEC can be changed via computer.

Joao Roberto said:
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.

Unless you personally feel that you'll "never be better" than you are now, you'll outgrow the need for using this mode. It simply enforces short shutter speeds, which you can do via Tv mode. Yes, this mode also forces AI Servo, but tracking your subject for a second or two prior to shooting will cause the DRebel to switch to continuous focusing in any Creative mode, too.

Joao Roberto said:
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.

It's only a 0.5 fps difference, and how do you know it's for marketing reasons? Maybe it's for cost savings and related to the buffering hardware.

Joao Roberto said:
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

Good one. Must warn folks away from this, since they'd never be able to tell the color with their own eyes. Must make sure they realize the camera won't turn black on its own someday and that Canon won't offer a firmware fix to address this.

David

brainiac37 · Nov 5, 2003

My Digital Rebel is made in Taiwan, not China. Not the same thing. I don't think any of the DRs are made in China, are they?

Have you actually held and tried the DR? The plastic is surprisingly sturdy. Having owned a Rebel II 35mm with plastic lens mount, I think Canon got it right by goes plastic for the body but having a metal lens mount.

DR + the 28-135mm IS is already very heavy! I can't imagine having to lug an all-metal camera body at the same time. For me, the weight savings is greater than the extra reliability of the metal body. (Or perhaps I just need to do more upper-body strength training???)

df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...

charles schuler · Nov 5, 2003

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6574538

Butzl · Nov 5, 2003

df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...

Well, I guess it is actually made in China. It's Taiwan-made.

Elvis137900 · Nov 5, 2003

You know Joao, at the end of the day...unfort. you´re right...and that´s it.

even myself agrees with your well, educated and intelligent words.

Regards,
Chris

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

--
Chris Bonfiglioli Fabbri
My 300D Gallery at :
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4288678313

'Capturing the moments before it disappears...'

1997Mamba · Nov 5, 2003

DRG said:
DRG said:

2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.

Click to expand...

DRG said:
Joao Roberto wrote:

Unless you personally feel that you'll "never be better" than you
are now, you'll outgrow the need for using this mode. It simply
enforces short shutter speeds, which you can do via Tv mode. Yes,
this mode also forces AI Servo, but tracking your subject for a
second or two prior to shooting will cause the DRebel to switch to
continuous focusing in any Creative mode, too.

This should happen but doesn't consistently if at all. I've been able to force AI Servo in Tv mode with short lenses like the 50mm by focuing on an outstretetched hand and moving it towards me but I've been trying to get that AI Servo to kick in shooting hockey with my 135mm Prime and forget it. Hasn't happened by itself yet.

That's why I'm hoping this will be fixed in upcoming firmware upgrades.

(I can hope can't I?)

Scott.

James McPeak · Nov 5, 2003

You get what you pay for. If you want more, all you have to do is pay more. To bad not all people understand that.

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

dchao · Nov 5, 2003

Joao Roberto said:
1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.

I totally disagree with your point no 1.

First, almost all of the 10D user knows, the internal flash is only for backup. If one need to take proper flash photography, one will have to get an external flash.

However, DR has a hotshoe adaptor and will accept external flash, and there are many external flash units will let one sets FEC on the flash. So there is absolutely no difference from a photographer's standpoint.

Therefore, the only difference is when the internal flash is used. If Canon has enabled FEC on DR, how many potential 10D buyers, do you think, is going to choose DR instead because the internal flash now has FEC? Surely, this number must be 100 times smaller than the potential loss of sales and returns due to the underexposed E-TTL problem.

Canon is a smart marketing company, surely they can see the logic, and abandon the age old tradition of "no FEC on any Rebel camers"

Daniella68313 · Nov 5, 2003

sorry but DR can shoot 3fps..just 4 frames instead of 9 for the 10D. Beware of fals information...

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

that is very lame...no need to beware anybody of the color..unless they are blind of course...

Joao Roberto said:
All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

no not body plus similar lens..because whit the 300D you can get an affordable wide angle lens with a decent quality..not so with the 10D.

Joao Roberto said:
I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

good point...now if I can only get the servo to kick in when I need...that woudl make my day.

Joao Roberto said:
I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

--
Daniella
main gallery: http://www.infrareddream.com
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
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c7OOuz, Dimage-7, Tcon14tele, C210tele, Cokin-173, Grad-ND, Hoya-red-Intensifier, Hoya_R_72.

sap · Nov 5, 2003

say what you will, this camera is doing the same thing the AE-1 did back in the late 70's: opening the world of SLR photography up to thousands, perhaps millions, who would never otherwise have a chance to particpate. i too would prefer black and many more features than i've got, but by the same token, i'm not squinting through the little tunnel finder on a G2 any more and i don't have to compoensate for parallax any more and my images are virtually indiscernable from the 10D. not a bad deal, i'd say.

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

tom e · Nov 5, 2003

good thing you found out before you made this mistake

df1603 said:
sorry to say but I would expect much better material from such
relatively expensive camera...

SteveMattan said:

df1603 said:

4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Click to expand...

That color change via firmware would be a neat trick!

--
Steve Mattan

Click to expand...

jonathan184880 · Nov 5, 2003

I think there as a little bit of jealousy flying around here. Either these people have a 10D and are upset to have paid too much for an equivalent camera or they have no DSLR and want to moan at people who have one. I myself am looking forward to getting a 300D and hope to take some great photos with it. Wish I could afford a 10D but I can’t, and I would have to be a lot better off to justify the cost.

Can we stop all this PETTY moaning and talk about what great photos we could all be taking.

Thanx everyone
Jon

Joao Roberto said:
After reading all those threads, I realize the following:

Digital Rebel is what it is and will never be better than this!

You are thinking about buy a Digital Rebel? Be aware of:

1) DR has no FEC menu control and will never have for marketing
reasons.
2) DR has no way to switch from ISO in sports mode for marketing
reasons.
3) DR has no way to shot 3 fps, like 10D, for for marketing reasons.
4) DR is silver and will never become black for marketing reasons.

All these functions can be easily implemented (or enabled) by
firmware updates, but probably won't.

Bear in mind that all this is a market decision. If Canon add
anything extra, they will canibalize 10D! So, don't expect to get
more on Rebel that you already have. You can dream about it, but I
bet this dream will never come true.

DR is a great camera for almost half of 10D price! (Body + a
similar DR lens).

I can live will all this limitations since I paid half of 10D
price. DR brought me to DSLR world and I'm enjoying every minute.

Stop complains and spend more time taking pictures. More pictures
you take, more your chances to get great ones.

I'm sure most of you will agree with me.

Best regards

JRGandara (sorry about my poor english ;-))
http://www.pbase.com/jrgandara/jrgandara_galery

Jared Hunter · Nov 5, 2003

df1603 said:
Its not only the color, it is the plastic feel of a $1k "made in
china" toy...

It's funny how people look down on China when in fact they are turning out so much high quality consumer electronics that we take for granted, from Palm handhelds to Microsoft and Logitech hardware to computer motherboards and practically all PC computer enclosures etc. etc.

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