Film simulations - DXO FilmPack, RNI or MastinLabs, or ???

So I was thinking of getting into some of the film simulations, since I liked ones such as Fuji's Velvia for landscape and travel/urbex, among other.

What do people recommend?

I am using Adobe ACR (not so much LR anymore) so they would need to be compatible with ACR or Photoshop. I also have DXO Photolab 5 as part of my workflow (not my main workflow, but for some things) so if I did decide to use FilmPack, I think it would integrate with PhotoLab, but I'm not going to use that as a determining factor necessarily.
You want RNI 5.

The emulations are outstanding.

They include hundreds of stocks, contemporary and vintage, BW, C41, slide. Even the inexpensive "lite" version offers an enormous variety.

But most importantly--and this is where RNI leaps way over DxO, IMHO--they integrate directly into ACR (or Lightroom) in the easiest, fastest, most convenient possible way, as RAW profiles.

The ease, power, flexibility, and speed of this approach can't be overstated. You can control film-look strength (opacity) with one slider within the converter. You can then use every single ACR slider to tweak results right-there-and-then, on the RAW file, non-destructively. You can integrate RNI's profiles into custom ACR/Lightroom presets of your own. You can use RNI profiles anywhere you can use ACR/Lightroom tech--on your computer or on a tablet, or even in the field, on a phone. (Lots of people here say they'd never actually do that--apply a film profile to a photo WiFi'd from camera to phone. But I'd recommend giving it an open-minded try, first. I think lots of people would be surprised by how much fun travel photography is when you can share a beautifully-edited result almost immediately after shooting it.) And in all of these places--even on a phone, for god's sake--you can batch process photos en-masse at lightning speed leveraging all of ACR/Lightroom's convenience tools--edit sync, edit copy-paste, default import presets, etc.

Want an easy way to blast through all your travel photograph edits on the plane ride home? RNI is it.

(Incidentally, even Mastin is now embracing the Adobe RAW-profile approach--though I think you'd ultimately prefer the wider variety of RNI profiles.)

Don't read me wrong: I like DxO Filmpack emulations, too--though I wouldn't say they're aesthetically "better" than RNI. But usability and flexibility is where Filmpack falls far behind RNI. You have to TIFF out of ACR/Lightroom to engage Filmpack as a plugin, which means . . .
  • "baking in" ACR/Lightroom edits and creating a destructive edit breakpoint;
  • necessarily having to save a massive 16-bit edit TIFF alongside your RAW files;
  • no ACR/Lightroom presets that incorporate it;
  • no ACR/Lightroom speed or convenience tools--no edit sync, no copy-paste, no import presets. You'll have to convert every single file you run into Filmpack, then bring it back.
  • And you have to use a computer. Preferably a powerful one, too, with plenty of storage--because you're going to be throwing 16-bit TIFFs back and forth. No iPad edits on the plane.
 
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You can get a richer, bluer sky without making the landscape blue as well. For example, this is Velvia, with a bluer sky:

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Velvia, with accentuated blue in the sky, but without making the landscape blue
Did you do this using a mask? Thanks.

Selection was very imprecise in PhotoLab 4, but is supposed to be improved.
I used a Control Line, not a mask. Masks are unchanged in PL5.
Is not a Control line sort of a mask? Try to press M when you have set a line...

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So I was thinking of getting into some of the film simulations, since I liked ones such as Fuji's Velvia for landscape and travel/urbex, among other.

What do people recommend?

I am using Adobe ACR (not so much LR anymore) so they would need to be compatible with ACR or Photoshop. I also have DXO Photolab 5 as part of my workflow (not my main workflow, but for some things) so if I did decide to use FilmPack, I think it would integrate with PhotoLab, but I'm not going to use that as a determining factor necessarily.
You want RNI 5.

The emulations are outstanding.

They include hundreds of stocks, contemporary and vintage, BW, C41, slide. Even the inexpensive "lite" version offers an enormous variety.

But most importantly--and this is where RNI leaps way over DxO, IMHO--they integrate directly into ACR (or Lightroom) in the easiest, fastest, most convenient possible way, as RAW profiles.

The ease, power, flexibility, and speed of this approach can't be overstated. You can control film-look strength (opacity) with one slider within the converter. You can then use every single ACR slider to tweak results right-there-and-then, on the RAW file, non-destructively. You can integrate RNI's profiles into custom ACR/Lightroom presets of your own. You can use RNI profiles anywhere you can use ACR/Lightroom tech--on your computer or on a tablet, or even in the field, on a phone. (Lots of people here say they'd never actually do that--apply a film profile to a photo WiFi'd from camera to phone. But I'd recommend giving it an open-minded try, first. I think lots of people would be surprised by how much fun travel photography is when you can share a beautifully-edited result almost immediately after shooting it.) And in all of these places--even on a phone, for god's sake--you can batch process photos en-masse at lightning speed leveraging all of ACR/Lightroom's convenience tools--edit sync, edit copy-paste, default import presets, etc.

Want an easy way to blast through all your travel photograph edits on the plane ride home? RNI is it.

(Incidentally, even Mastin is now embracing the Adobe RAW-profile approach--though I think you'd ultimately prefer the wider variety of RNI profiles.)

Don't read me wrong: I like DxO Filmpack emulations, too--though I wouldn't say they're aesthetically "better" than RNI. But usability and flexibility is where Filmpack falls far behind RNI. You have to TIFF out of ACR/Lightroom to engage Filmpack as a plugin, which means . . .
Not if you use DxO PL Elite V 4 or 5 ...

  • "baking in" ACR/Lightroom edits and creating a destructive edit breakpoint;
  • necessarily having to save a massive 16-bit edit TIFF alongside your RAW files;
  • no ACR/Lightroom presets that incorporate it;
  • no ACR/Lightroom speed or convenience tools--no edit sync, no copy-paste, no import presets. You'll have to convert every single file you run into Filmpack, then bring it back.
  • And you have to use a computer. Preferably a powerful one, too, with plenty of storage--because you're going to be throwing 16-bit TIFFs back and forth. No iPad edits on the plane.
 
But most importantly--and this is where RNI leaps way over DxO, IMHO--they integrate directly into ACR (or Lightroom) in the easiest, fastest, most convenient possible way, as RAW profiles.

Don't read me wrong: I like DxO Filmpack emulations, too--though I wouldn't say they're aesthetically "better" than RNI. But usability and flexibility is where Filmpack falls far behind RNI. You have to TIFF out of ACR/Lightroom to engage Filmpack as a plugin.
Not if you use DxO PL Elite V 4 or 5 ...
. . . which the OP has already told us he usually doesn't:
I am using Adobe ACR (not so much LR anymore) so they would need to be compatible with ACR or Photoshop. I also have DXO Photolab 5 as part of my workflow (not my main workflow, but for some things) so if I did decide to use FilmPack, I think it would integrate with PhotoLab, but I'm not going to use that as a determining factor necessarily.
 
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You can get a richer, bluer sky without making the landscape blue as well. For example, this is Velvia, with a bluer sky:
Did you do this using a mask? Thanks.

Selection was very imprecise in PhotoLab 4, but is supposed to be improved.
I used a Control Line, not a mask. Masks are unchanged in PL5.
Is not a Control line sort of a mask? Try to press M when you have set a line...
Yes, but DxO distinguishes between what it calls Masks, and Control Points/Lines. Masks haven't changed in PL5, whereas Control Points/Lines are much enhanced.
 
Does this also work in Capture One?
 
So I was thinking of getting into some of the film simulations, since I liked ones such as Fuji's Velvia for landscape and travel/urbex, among other.

What do people recommend?

I see that Mastin Labs seems to be geared towards wedding photographers so I might rule that one out, but what about DXO FilmPack and RNI? I mainly will be doing portraits and landscape and travel. I don't really need ones like the "cinematic" look, although I do like some of the vintage photo looks for portraits, and obviously some good black and whites (I grew up mostly with digital although am going back and experimenting with film shooting). I'm also looking at some of the others from Kodak, like Ektar 100 and some of the Portra line.

I am using Adobe ACR (not so much LR anymore) so they would need to be compatible with ACR or Photoshop. I also have DXO Photolab 5 as part of my workflow (not my main workflow, but for some things) so if I did decide to use FilmPack, I think it would integrate with PhotoLab, but I'm not going to use that as a determining factor necessarily.
I’m no wedding photographer but I’m a massive fan of the Mastin packs. I have all of them. You convert with a few clicks within LR Classic and voila. I’m always delighted with both the results and the speed of workflow.
 
If it is LR or CO presets you're after, you might want to have a look at this site: Digistock - FilterGrade

I got the CaptureOne presets and believe these are an accurate emulation of well known analog films from the time before digital. You can apply these to you image and use 'm as-is or as a nice starting point for your own further tweaking.

Ohh and these presets won't break the bank either, if you want to give it a try, you can't go wrong with the Tri-X for $13,- The included manual (PDF) describes how to install and use them and also describe the idea behind certain details that make them stand out from the crowd.
 

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