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With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
 
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With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
You may need to update the firmware on some 3rd party lenses to support newer cameras, so it is worth checking if others have used your lenses with the camera you are looking to get.

But otherwise you don't need to calibrate mirrorless cameras like you did with DSLRs (because mirrorless cameras don't have separate AF sensors).
 
Calibration can be done, but only by Canon. I had my R5 recalibrated in November, sadly not much improved.
The OP was asking whether any Lens calibration is needed -the answer I believe is no.

I assume that you had a problem with the camera body AF system.
 
I thought that calibration was not needed if focusing directly on the sensor?
 
With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
The different focal lengths is somewhat interesting regarding Sigma lenses because of their dock system. I don't know if Tamron has this.

As we know MFA compensates for standard variation in the mirror assembly and sensor position. You would think that it would only need one adjustment for any length to correct for that variation. So by doing MFA on a DSLR are you also compensating for variation in all the elements moving in the lens when zooming in our or out? Or is the result of how the light hits the mirror when zooming?

Since with a ML body AF is on the sensor, both mirror assembly and elements variation (if that actually happens) problems are not effected.

So would using a Sigma dock make it even better or would it be a waste of time? Waste of time me thinks and I heard it's a real pain to set up set up. However I'm not an optics engineer.
 
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With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
The different focal lengths is somewhat interesting regarding Sigma lenses because of their dock system. I don't know if Tamron has this.

As we know MFA compensates for standard variation in the mirror assembly and sensor position. You would think that it would only need one adjustment for any length to correct for that variation. So by doing MFA on a DSLR are you also compensating for variation in all the elements moving in the lens when zooming in our or out? Or is the result of how the light hits the mirror when zooming?

Since with a ML body AF is on the sensor, both mirror assembly and elements variation (if that actually happens) problems are not effected.

So would using a Sigma dock make it even better or would it be a waste of time? Waste of time me thinks and I heard it's a real pain to set up set up. However I'm not an optics engineer.
This is why I asked the question. Ive had the tamron 150-600 and could never get a good sharp image across the various focal lengths. They do have the Tap-In console that I tried. Similar to Sigma"s Dock. And yes it is a PITA. Just curios if all this would be eliminated with mirrorless. Leaning towards the R6. Maybe rent / borrow a Tamron lens and find out, unless someone has this combo already.
 
Calibration can be done, but only by Canon. I had my R5 recalibrated in November, sadly not much improved.
The OP was asking whether any Lens calibration is needed -the answer I believe is no.

I assume that you had a problem with the camera body AF system.
Correct, but it seems that it is a fallacy that mirror less cameras do not need calibration, I spoke to the Canon tech and said that I suspected that my R5 back focussed. He did not reply to that, just said the the camera had been recalibrated and it says in the report that the dual pixel AF had been recalibrated. He did not elaborate further. Since the sensor is in essence floating, perhaps that is the answer. I don't know.
 
With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
The different focal lengths is somewhat interesting regarding Sigma lenses because of their dock system. I don't know if Tamron has this.

As we know MFA compensates for standard variation in the mirror assembly and sensor position. You would think that it would only need one adjustment for any length to correct for that variation. So by doing MFA on a DSLR are you also compensating for variation in all the elements moving in the lens when zooming in our or out? Or is the result of how the light hits the mirror when zooming?

Since with a ML body AF is on the sensor, both mirror assembly and elements variation (if that actually happens) problems are not effected.

So would using a Sigma dock make it even better or would it be a waste of time? Waste of time me thinks and I heard it's a real pain to set up set up. However I'm not an optics engineer.
This is why I asked the question. Ive had the tamron 150-600 and could never get a good sharp image across the various focal lengths. They do have the Tap-In console that I tried. Similar to Sigma"s Dock. And yes it is a PITA. Just curios if all this would be eliminated with mirrorless. Leaning towards the R6. Maybe rent / borrow a Tamron lens and find out, unless someone has this combo already.
Mirrorless does does not offer MFA so focusing directly on the sensor must eliminate it all. To confirm your AF I use'd live view which focuses on the sensor and compare that to PDAF.

I can tell you this. I will never, ever miss MFA. I always hated it and still do even thinking about it. One main reason I went ML. Even after MFA there is still slight variation between shots. It's just the nature of mirror assemblies.

I even suffered with the Canon R for BIF (which wasn't easy) even with my 7D2 sitting in the bag. I once rented a community college to MFA for the Focal length of 800. :-)
 
Calibration can be done, but only by Canon. I had my R5 recalibrated in November, sadly not much improved.
The OP was asking whether any Lens calibration is needed -the answer I believe is no.

I assume that you had a problem with the camera body AF system.
Correct, but it seems that it is a fallacy that mirror less cameras do not need calibration, I spoke to the Canon tech and said that I suspected that my R5 back focussed. He did not reply to that, just said the the camera had been recalibrated and it says in the report that the dual pixel AF had been recalibrated. He did not elaborate further. Since the sensor is in essence floating, perhaps that is the answer. I don't know.
I've had my 7D2 factory calibrated and they adjusted the sensor. I also had a EF 70-200 2.8 II calibrated because the MFA numbers were unacceptable to me. Fine tuning - yes. Big swings - there is a problem. I've always believed in that.
 
I thought that calibration was not needed if focusing directly on the sensor?
using iterative CDAF at shooting aperture != using PDAF wide open, moving focusing group of optics elements in one go and stopping down w/o checking again.. it all depends how particular dSLM model implements focusing + lens construction + sample variations .. in general you can't assume that dSLM in principle will always focus any lens w/o BF/FF, but they are a totally better world than dSLR
 
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With no AFMA required on a mirrorless camera, can one assume that no calibration is needed on the Tamron or Sigma tele zooms for the different focal lengths?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but curious as I may be getting my 1st mirrorless soon. Thanks
The different focal lengths is somewhat interesting regarding Sigma lenses because of their dock system. I don't know if Tamron has this.

As we know MFA compensates for standard variation in the mirror assembly and sensor position. You would think that it would only need one adjustment for any length to correct for that variation. So by doing MFA on a DSLR are you also compensating for variation in all the elements moving in the lens when zooming in our or out? Or is the result of how the light hits the mirror when zooming?

Since with a ML body AF is on the sensor, both mirror assembly and elements variation (if that actually happens) problems are not effected.

So would using a Sigma dock make it even better or would it be a waste of time? Waste of time me thinks and I heard it's a real pain to set up set up. However I'm not an optics engineer.
This is why I asked the question. Ive had the tamron 150-600 and could never get a good sharp image across the various focal lengths. They do have the Tap-In console that I tried. Similar to Sigma"s Dock. And yes it is a PITA. Just curios if all this would be eliminated with mirrorless. Leaning towards the R6. Maybe rent / borrow a Tamron lens and find out, unless someone has this combo already.
I was a bit confused when the RF 70-200/2.8 was first released and showed some focusing errors, which Canon later repaired by a firmware update. In this review from opticallimits.com, it's explained by RSA (Residual Spherical Abberation), or the fact that the focus plane moves backwards when the aperture closes down.

As Canon does AF fully open, some lenses will no longer be in focus when stopped down.

I don't know if Sigma and Tamron's lens calibration is also correcting for RSA, but to be certain that those lenses will AF, I think that is what you should be looking out for.

It's all very confusing, but Zeee's assumption that since AF points sit on the sensor, no MFA is necessary, may not be quite accurate.

Good luck and good light.
 
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I complained to Canon UK about 'back focussing ' on my R5.

The tech person did not say such mis focus was not possible, but he said that he had recalibrated the DP AF system. Make of it what you will. With IBIS the sensor is always moving, obviously within parameters. Perhaps that can be adjusted also.

Thanks I will look at your link
 
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