How can I compare these specs between Fuji and Sony?

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I am shopping for a new camera. I did a ton of reading for days. I would like to compare these 3 specs, but DXOmarks is not able to do it for Fuji, so is there another way I can compare these?
  • 26 color depth
  • 14.7 dynamic range
  • 3423 iso low light / sports
These are the one of the Sony A7Riii... I am looking also for the Fuji X-T4.
 
Have you checked the dpreviews of the Fuji cameras you are interested in?
 
Yes

But so far with many researches I have not found a way to compare these 3 specs
 
I just typed "what is the dynamic range of the Fuji X T4" and came up with 14 stops.

Colour depth for the Fuji is 10 bit.

And I didn't find anything definitive on the ISO performance in comparison to the Sony. But what I can tell you is that the film simulations on the Fuji are more extensive than the Sony. Modern cameras for ISO performance and colour depth are quite good. If I showed you an identical image taken by the Sony and the other from the Fuji, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

On my two Fuji cameras, the X100f and the X T1, I do use film simulations quite a lot. In fact as I think about it, I never not use them. I like Acros for black and white and Provia with some added punch for colour.

You can download "recipes" for colour modifications on your Smart or iPhone, you would be surprised at how many. Fuji is known for this, great colour science out of the camera, and recipes to spice life up.

Here are images from the Fuji X T4, stunning right?

https://www.flickr.com/groups/4518900@N22/pool

Here are images from the Sony A7R lll, stunning right?


Can you tell the difference in quality based on statistics? No!
 
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I am shopping for a new camera. I did a ton of reading for days. I would like to compare these 3 specs, but DXOmarks is not able to do it for Fuji, so is there another way I can compare these?
  • 26 color depth
  • 14.7 dynamic range
  • 3423 iso low light / sports
These are the one of the Sony A7Riii... I am looking also for the Fuji X-T4.
I think that basing your choice of camera on these kinds of specifications is a really bad route to take.

DXO uses some weird measurements that are only known to themselves. I think that the ISO measurement is one of them and the colour depth may be another. You are not going to find comparable measures on any other site. If you want to know more, try posting on the Photographic Science and Technology Forum.
 
I just typed "what is the dynamic range of the Fuji X T4" and came up with 14 stops.

Colour depth for the Fuji is 10 bit.

And I didn't find anything definitive on the ISO performance in comparison to the Sony. But what I can tell you is that the film simulations on the Fuji are more extensive than the Sony. Modern cameras for ISO performance and colour depth are quite good. If I showed you an identical image taken by the Sony and the other from the Fuji, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

On my two Fuji cameras, the X100f and the X T1, I do use film simulations quite a lot. In fact as I think about it, I never not use them. I like Acros for black and white and Provia with some added punch for colour.

You can download "recipes" for colour modifications on your Smart or iPhone, you would be surprised at how many. Fuji is known for this, great colour science out of the camera, and recipes to spice life up.

Here are images from the Fuji X T4, stunning right?

https://www.flickr.com/groups/4518900@N22/pool

Here are images from the Sony A7R lll, stunning right?

https://www.flickr.com/groups/a7riii/pool/

Can you tell the difference in quality based on statistics? No!
I agree that, in general, both cameras the OP is considering are capable of outstanding results. Results that are probably indistinguishable for the average user, at the size they are likely to print.

But at the same time, as a current owner of a high-megapixel full-frame camera (an A7Riv), I do think that there can POTENTIALLY be some real advantages to bumping up the megapixels and/or going full-frame. More noticeable with the 61MP of the A7Riv, but that doesn't mean not there with the A7Riii.

There can also be differences between cameras in features and ergonomics, and the camera with the "better" sensor doesn't necessarily win with regard to those.

The OP hasn't told us about himself, his intended uses of the camera, the focal lengths or apertures he wants, how much cropping potential he wants, the size prints he will make, whether video is important,...

As I see it, here are the wins for the Sony A7Riii:

1) Best lens selection of any system, including many choices from other manufacturers. Sometimes those are cheaper, sometimes they provide capabilities not available in the camera maker's lens lineup (i.e. the new Tamron 35-150 zoom).

2) Best performance if you want to use vintage lenses. Those lenses were almost all designed for full frame, so a full frame camera will best make use of their full potential -- usually bigger pixels, so less stringent resolution needs, and not throwing away 5/9 of the image, as happens if you use them on APS-C. In addition, 42MP gives you more potential for improvement via post-processing (i.e. sharpening without artifacts).

3) Best cropping potential (if you use quality glass, because cropping potential is not just about the number of megapixels).

4) Potential to use pixel-shift, for better resolution and reduction of moire. (Only works well with a good tripod and a still subject).

On the other hand, the Fuji X-T4 has its own advantages, mostly ergonomic and functional:

1) Fully-articulating rear screen, great for unusual angles especially for architecture or macro with the camera used in portrait orientation. Also worthwhile if you wanted to do documentary video (or selfies) with yourself on camera, no assistant, and avoid having to buy and set up an auxilliary screen to monitor yourself.

2) Probably less rolling shutter for video (sometimes seen as the "jello-effect"), because all else being equal (i.e. similar tech, no "stacked sensor" tech on either camera), the sensor readout of the smaller X-T4 sensor is probably faster.

3) X-Trans sensor on Fuji reduces (but doesn't eliminate) moire, so can sometimes be advantageous, especially for video.

4) 240 fps video. Only short clips (a minute or three?) due to sensor overheating at that readout speed, but could be interesting.

5) in-camera raw processing and film simulations.

6) ability to do automatic "focus bracketing" for post-processing "focus stacking" deep depth-of-field, useful for macro or extreme near-far in-focus effects in landscape or architecture. (The Sony cameras can only do that manually or as a tethered kludge, very inconvenient if not in the studio).

If buying new, not in a rush, and your budget can stretch, I'd also consider the full-frame Sony A7iv. Has the articulating rear LCD and some of the video advantages of the X-T4, with the vast lens advantages of the Sony full-frame "ecosystem". (Still no focus bracketing, though (I think). EDIT: And I think it also lacks pixel-shift).
 
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I am shopping for a new camera. I did a ton of reading for days. I would like to compare these 3 specs, but DXOmarks is not able to do it for Fuji, so is there another way I can compare these?
  • 26 color depth
  • 14.7 dynamic range
  • 3423 iso low light / sports
These are the one of the Sony A7Riii... I am looking also for the Fuji X-T4.
I think that basing your choice of camera on these kinds of specifications is a really bad route to take.
I agree. When one is dealing with cameras of similar quality and characteristics, I think the decision is not so much a matter of specifications, but rather a matter of ergonomics and the breadth of the camera system. I have tried Sony cameras several times at dealers and Sony events but the cameras never felt right in my hands. The menu systems also were confusing to me. Now, many may disagree and I can't argue with them, but, for me, Sony didn't work. I am simply using this as an example of how reading and comparing specifications may not allow one to make the right purchase decision, because on the basis of specs alone I would have switched to Sony years ago.
 
I am shopping for a new camera. I did a ton of reading for days. I would like to compare these 3 specs, but DXOmarks is not able to do it for Fuji, so is there another way I can compare these?
  • 26 color depth
  • 14.7 dynamic range
  • 3423 iso low light / sports
These are the one of the Sony A7Riii... I am looking also for the Fuji X-T4.
The main difference between high MP FF and APS-C camera is in the image resolution and/or secondarily lower noise at high ISO.

Also, because of lower noise at the same exposure, FF will show a tad more DR.

But, imho, the difference is in the resolution and to some that is an important difference and for others it is not.
 
I am shopping for a new camera. I did a ton of reading for days. I would like to compare these 3 specs, but DXOmarks is not able to do it for Fuji, so is there another way I can compare these?
  • 26 color depth
  • 14.7 dynamic range
  • 3423 iso low light / sports
These are the one of the Sony A7Riii... I am looking also for the Fuji X-T4.
There are no standard, mutually-agreed, definitions for these parameters so each technical website like DXOMark defines them differently*. This means you can't compare numbers from one website to another. Yes, it's a PITA.

DPR member bclaff has a website that may be interesting to you. But he doesn't have any data on the X-T4 either. He uses his own unique definitions too.

*For example, DXOMark's definition of Low-light ISO:
"We have therefore defined low-light ISO as the highest ISO setting for a camera that allows it to achieve a SNR of 30dB while keeping a good dynamic range of 9 EVs and a color depth of 18bits."

Note that DXOMark uses its own definitions of dynamic range and color depth too.
 
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I do not trust DXO.

The most important consideration when choosing a camera is the system of lenses. You may not know now what you will want in 5 years, so be sure you have a full selection of lenses available, and at a budget you believe to be acceptable.

I always recommend buying used to maximize one's budget, unless of course there is an amazing deal out there on a new body.
 
Thanks. I don’t want to chose based on Dxo but I want to find a way to compare the 3 specs
 
Thanks. I don’t want to chose based on Dxo but I want to find a way to compare the 3 specs
As the others have pointed out, those are DXO's own definitions, not standard. So you won't be able to compare them. Try the Photographic Science and Technology forum if you want to find out whether there are any alternative useful standard definitions. There may not be.

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Chris R
 
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Thanks. Great links for albums. Useful.
using your info I found more precision like here


14.7 color depth and 26 dynamic range. Only low light comparaison still looking

less easy to find the same for Fuji. But wow this video is just what I was looking for. Thanks Dustin Abbott

 
Very helpful. Thanks a lot for the points!
 
Very helpful. Thanks a lot for the points!
I am just wondering, what do those specs will show in terms of image (quality)?
 
These 3 were just the missing pieces I needed for my personal research above these cameras for a great comparaison
 

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