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Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended, simply by the ever-growing usage.

It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search' section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.

Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums, certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated. The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not dealt with.

I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.

I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
 
you can set the parameters at any forum to go back 30 days- something like 30 pages in the Oly forum - Leonard

also Phil I too enjoy these forums and find them very entertaining and informative.
Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.

Saves a ton of bandwidth and is useable offline. Have no idea of the practicalities but this constant reloading does stop this forum in its tracks – this design is just no suitable for the numbers it is attracting.
leonard said:
also Phil I too enjoy these forums and find them very entertaining
and informative.
Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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Ger Beee said:
A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at
Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old
Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all
the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.

Saves a ton of bandwidth and is useable offline. Have no idea of
the practicalities but this constant reloading does stop this forum
in its tracks – this design is just no suitable for the
numbers it is attracting.
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Probably not the best model to aspire to. Steve's forum has nearly died since he changed the format. With the size of Phil's forum, it would take an interolerable long period to load a single thread if it were in that format. Also, only those with a good understanding of html code would be able to post images, etc.

Steve's forums, before he changed the format, had magnititudes more activity. Now, many only visit them once a week or so and hardly miss anything by doing that.

It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions. it's not that difficult.....

Lin
 
I don't use the Steve's Digicams pages nearly as much as these because of the non-threaded format.
Ger Beee said:
Saves a ton of bandwidth and is useable offline. Have no idea of
the practicalities but this constant reloading does stop this forum
in its tracks – this design is just no suitable for the
numbers it is attracting.
leonard said:
also Phil I too enjoy these forums and find them very entertaining
and informative.
Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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Member said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
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Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more, things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.

I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
 
Eric,

Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived as useful... (and they are)
Eric said:
Member said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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Lin Evans said:
Ger Beee said:
A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at
Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old
Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all
the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.

Saves a ton of bandwidth and is useable offline. Have no idea of
the practicalities but this constant reloading does stop this forum
in its tracks – this design is just no suitable for the
numbers it is attracting.
Click to expand...
Probably not the best model to aspire to. Steve's forum has nearly
died since he changed the format. With the size of Phil's forum, it
would take an interolerable long period to load a single thread if
it were in that format. Also, only those with a good understanding
of html code would be able to post images, etc.

Steve's forums, before he changed the format, had magnititudes more
activity. Now, many only visit them once a week or so and hardly
miss anything by doing that.

It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
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I agree Lin. I used to visit Steve's site all the time. I went there before I found Phil's. Since Steve changed to format, I rarely go there. Seems I have difficulty finding what I'm looking for. Not that the information isn't good, I guess I'm the problem. But he has lost my interest. Sorry Steve.
Terry
 
Ed Leys said:
Eric,

Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably
stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful
by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived
as useful... (and they are)
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Water seeks it's own level. There will be those that leave, and new ones coming along. Then there will be the core unit. This site will grow on it's own to it's own size and level. Then maybe there won't be so many silly threads, such as this one.
Terry
Ed Leys20479 said:
Eric said:
Ed Leys20479 said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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He doesn't get 1/200th of the messages we get here (over 1,400 per day), if we used that old fashioned layout each page would be > 15 MB
Ger Beee said:
Saves a ton of bandwidth and is useable offline. Have no idea of
the practicalities but this constant reloading does stop this forum
in its tracks – this design is just no suitable for the
numbers it is attracting.
leonard said:
also Phil I too enjoy these forums and find them very entertaining
and informative.
Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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I think the figures speak for themselves, monthly postings increase month by month as do NEW and RETURN users.

I agree that the load on CERTAIN forums is getting more than is sensible, that said other forums are a WASTE of our storage (check Ricoh and Kodak talk as examples).

What we are considering is splitting the SLR discussion into new groups:

Canon SLR Talk
Nikon SLR Talk
Fuji SLR Talk

This would remove some of the D1 & D30 talk from the Nikon and Canon forums.

We're currently VERY happy with the forums (this is the most active digital photography community on the internet).
Ed Leys said:
Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably
stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful
by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived
as useful... (and they are)
Eric said:
Ed Leys20479 said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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I think splitting out the SLR discussions in this manner would be a great idea, for what that is worth. Love the forums; I spend far too much time nearly every day here.
Phil Askey said:
I agree that the load on CERTAIN forums is getting more than is
sensible, that said other forums are a WASTE of our storage (check
Ricoh and Kodak talk as examples).

What we are considering is splitting the SLR discussion into new
groups:

Canon SLR Talk
Nikon SLR Talk
Fuji SLR Talk

This would remove some of the D1 & D30 talk from the Nikon and
Canon forums.

We're currently VERY happy with the forums (this is the most active
digital photography community on the internet).
Ed Leys said:
Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably
stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful
by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived
as useful... (and they are)
Eric said:
Member said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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Agreed he does not, but I prefer something like that. For instance I use Agent to browse rec.photo.digital, I can mark interested threads and set alerts for replies.

I can preserve them indefinitely and delete everything else leaving only what I am interested in.

Once downloaded I can seamlessly go to next message or reply or new reply and I am there instantly, no reloading of the page and or course images are banned, only links allowed, the multiple reloading of images on these forums makes it annoying for me. Even if reloaded pages were quicker, as if in cache it might not be so bad but sometime it gets so slow that popping back to re-read something it is often forgotten in the interim .

Then again I might get a highspeed line in the New Year the local companies are vying for new business and one offers a free highspeed connection through the TV, 144 channels, a phone line so it might get better that way.

Better again I get some work, I spend far too much time here as it is, time is the thing you see, but I don't have any answers either.
Thanks
Phil Askey said:
Ger Beee said:
A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at
Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old
Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all
the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.
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Phil:

As many do, I really like the forums. More can be learned here in an hour or two than spending days bouncing around the web searching and searching. I also really like the idea of splitting the forums into more user specific sections. I would like to suggest adding an Olympus SLR Talk section also.

Ignore the nay sayers. Your instincts and savvy brought things this far- keep following them.

kunza
Phil Askey said:
I agree that the load on CERTAIN forums is getting more than is
sensible, that said other forums are a WASTE of our storage (check
Ricoh and Kodak talk as examples).

What we are considering is splitting the SLR discussion into new
groups:

Canon SLR Talk
Nikon SLR Talk
Fuji SLR Talk

This would remove some of the D1 & D30 talk from the Nikon and
Canon forums.

We're currently VERY happy with the forums (this is the most active
digital photography community on the internet).
Ed Leys said:
Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably
stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful
by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived
as useful... (and they are)
Eric said:
Member said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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You're trying to compare a client side application to a server side web discussion application. Agent (which I use too) requires large amounts of disk space to maintain the "state" of the message list, if you choose to store messages beyond their life that space also increases. Now imagine, we have 22,000 unique posters and over 260,000 messages on these forums.. to maintain state for each of those users can you imagine the overheads?

And, no, I'm not going to provide a usenet feed.
Ger Beee said:
I can preserve them indefinitely and delete everything else leaving
only what I am interested in.

Once downloaded I can seamlessly go to next message or reply or new
reply and I am there instantly, no reloading of the page and or
course images are banned, only links allowed, the multiple
reloading of images on these forums makes it annoying for me. Even
if reloaded pages were quicker, as if in cache it might not be so
bad but sometime it gets so slow that popping back to re-read
something it is often forgotten in the interim .

Then again I might get a highspeed line in the New Year the local
companies are vying for new business and one offers a free
highspeed connection through the TV, 144 channels, a phone line so
it might get better that way.

Better again I get some work, I spend far too much time here as it
is, time is the thing you see, but I don't have any answers either.
Thanks
Phil Askey said:
Ger Beee said:
A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at
Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old
Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all
the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.
Click to expand...
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Ed -

Note all said and cannot disagree. The unfortunate part of a winning system is that it is near impossible to change for the real better. It's almost like creating a monster , yet I can say with hand on heart that I've found more interest , and without a doubt gained more knowledge and pleasure from it than can ever be expressed. I suppose it's a vote of thanks to Phil and just keep up the good work. It really is time-consuming even reading the darned things though, Heaven knows how Phil copes with it all - and how he finds time for reviews. Never mind, carry on.

Eric
Ed Leys said:
Those who feel that the forums are no longer useful will probably
stop coming here, which by your argument will make them more useful
by reducing the data volume.

Those who feel that the forums remain useful will keep coming here.

Hmmm, seems to me that either way they will end up being perceived
as useful... (and they are)
Eric said:
Ed Leys20479 said:
It's quite simple to set the parameters on your individual system
to see many more days of discussion. It's just the default which
makes it appear that things are forgotten. Read the instructions.
it's not that difficult.....

Lin
Click to expand...
Yes, but the enormous increase in message quantity just slows
everything down so setting back pages and waiting for it all to
happen PLUS remembering a recent message anyway, is just not an
easy matter. We haven't all got razor sharp minds to recall
everything instantly - and if you happen to miss a day or more,
things have come and gone hardly without you knowing it so a good
deal of useful and interesting detail can speed by.
I don't see an answer. As previously said, it's the penalty of
modern progress and digi interest I suppose. Shame though. The
Forum just can't cope much longer I feel.

Eric
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I couldn't agree more:
I too love the forums;
I too spend far too much
time nearly every day here;
I too think spliting certain
forums--and maybe not only
the SLRs--could help me a
lot in finding in much less
time more information rele-
vant to me.

Thanks, Phil!
Daniel B.
K.Flint said:
I think splitting out the SLR discussions in this manner would be a
great idea, for what that is worth. Love the forums; I spend far
too much time nearly every day here.
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The worst is about to come!

Frances.
Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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It was better before!
Phil Askey said:
And, no, I'm not going to provide a usenet feed.
Ger Beee said:
I can preserve them indefinitely and delete everything else leaving
only what I am interested in.

Once downloaded I can seamlessly go to next message or reply or new
reply and I am there instantly, no reloading of the page and or
course images are banned, only links allowed, the multiple
reloading of images on these forums makes it annoying for me. Even
if reloaded pages were quicker, as if in cache it might not be so
bad but sometime it gets so slow that popping back to re-read
something it is often forgotten in the interim .

Then again I might get a highspeed line in the New Year the local
companies are vying for new business and one offers a free
highspeed connection through the TV, 144 channels, a phone line so
it might get better that way.

Better again I get some work, I spend far too much time here as it
is, time is the thing you see, but I don't have any answers either.
Thanks
Phil Askey said:
Ger Beee said:
A completely new design would shift things along nicely. Go look at
Steve’s Digicams public forum, it is the same as the old
Nikon tech forum, no reloading everytime one wants an answer, all
the answers collected together and downloaded automatically.
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Eric said:
Phil -

I just know or can well appreciate that these Forums are a
magnificent job and all credit for that, but I wonder if it is
beginning to bother you that it does seem to be losing a great deal
of the purpose for which it was I'm sure originally intended,
simply by the ever-growing usage.
It was bad enough (although understandable then) that the 'Search'
section had to be confined drastically. That is still a feature
that diminishes the original purpose but I guess we accepted it.
Now, it is becoming the same in the general message Forums,
certainly in the 'popular' ones which carry the regular inflow of
messages. Things are moving so quickly, new digi users are fast
increasing and with it (perhaps because of it) more and more
messages are flowing with the result that now it is the case that
each Forum seems to be severely restricted in the number of total
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maybe there should be a forum for questions , queries or so in one forum ..and general discussions in another forum to start with
avis
Member said:
mesages displayed at any one time and in the case of the very
popular Forums it means that very little more than about a week's
list of messages is displayed over the 1 or more pages allocated.
The simple and natural result of course is that a message (often a
query not just a comment) is submitted and things move so fast that
it is off the front page sometimes in two days or less - the result
being that many do not search back and so it is not seen and not
dealt with.
I just don't know the answer to a problem caused by sheer
popularity and (as I know personally) reliance and satisfaction by
a lot of people seeking aid. You can see very many cases of queries
with no replies at all - I have my own views on some reasons for
that - but imagine the feelings and disappointments of those
seeking advice who appear to be just ignored.
I just do not know an answer but it IS the case that the usefulness
is fast diminishing because it cannot keep up with the pace of
incoming mail.
The penalty for digicam popularity I suppose.

Eric
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