What fuji doing in 2021 is very dissapointing

8K currently costs U$3900 at the cheap end or Nikon will have you pay 5500 and Sony will sell you a body for 6500.

Fuji will cut the price of 8K by around 40% I believe.
Please didn't compare FF stacked sensor cost with APS-C.

$1200 Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 VII already come with 20MP stacked-CMOS sensor.
Where did I compare FF to Apsc?

I merely pointed out the cost of 8K, FYI the 8K available with the R5 is not from a stacked sensor.Thats the 3900 cheap end.

BTW,I do know a bit about the RX100mk7,seeing I use one regularly.It doesn't shoot 8K though.I'll probably get a XH2 for my 8K camera.
 
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So what?

You don't like what Fuji is doing? Feel free to move on! There are a lot of other brands that will gladly sell their products to you.

By the way, disappointments are based on unrealistic expectations... a universal rule in life!

H.
Agreed on both counts. Furthermore, should anyone realistically seek new models annually? I got my XT4, new, in 2020. Do I expect a XT5 in 2021? Absolutely not. Why? For three reasons.
  1. The company has to pay back the R&D, tooling and logistics costs of a new model to market. At a competitive and fair unit price it takes a little time to recoup those costs and for the model line to turn a profit so enabling the company to remain profitable and continue trading.
  2. At this stage of technology develop and pace, which I agree is fast, would a new model actually introduce something that cannot wait a year? Surely a minimum of biennial or triennial model upgrades is acceptable (actually I think it could be longer with software updates), particularly when other models in a company's range are the in-year focus (remembering that Fujifilm has brought to market four models this year and four different models in 2020 = 8 models in two years).
  3. Our insatiable appetite for a new 'something; creates a huge draw on the planet's resources. Depending on one's source, developed nations consume resources at a rate four times greater than the Earth’s capacity to renew them.
Impatience is not a virtue - on the other hand patience is.
 
Fuji is rocking it in Vietnam. Nearly always first in shops and online the most prominent. The old Canon DSLR camera guys at a tourist hotspot are getting salty. One just did a sarcastic "hellooo" as I walked past looking cool AF with a camera tiny next to their unused Canons with big lenses. 😁😁 he was ~65 with his "posse" of other guys with massive Canons and over sized lenses to blag tourists their equipment is special.

The thing about Fujifilm is our cameras look cool now and will alsways look cool, whilst easily equaling Canon's APSC DSLRs and arguably their older full frame ones with average lenses. Vietnamese youngsters, techies and hipsters know this and use Fuji or film cameras.

Let's not pretend looking cool doesn't matter. Fuji photos look cool with Classic Negative/Chrome and the cameras perform great. Just a bit behind with autofocus which you can get with Olympus for wildlife or Sony or Nikon. Whoop dee doo. Xtrans 4 AF is generally great.

This is a development year for Xtrans 5 and Fuji have been more active than I expected actually. Whereas Sony are still on their 8 year old 24MP APSC sensor, Fuji are busy in the lab working on 2 badass sensors for their first Xtrans 5 camera. It will be worth the wait I am sure.
 
"APS-C market in a slump" a reckoning the house of Fuji suffering from some malaise? Such a declaration a surprise to most Fuji owners. Perhaps Fuji owners content to pay fair prices and follow their instincts; not the herd. The camera market represents a jungle where each contender aims to please; without making too much noise. Fuji-motors on.
I meant APS-C models, not market. Sorry for the slip up.

This forum really enjoys pointless debate on nitpicking unimportant details. I think my context made it clear that APS-C has not seen much activity from any player except Fuji in past couple of years.
 
Fuji is rocking it in Vietnam. Nearly always first in shops and online the most prominent. The old Canon DSLR camera guys at a tourist hotspot are getting salty. One just did a sarcastic "hellooo" as I walked past looking cool AF with a camera tiny next to their unused Canons with big lenses. 😁😁 he was ~65 with his "posse" of other guys with massive Canons and over sized lenses to blag tourists their equipment is special.

The thing about Fujifilm is our cameras look cool now and will alsways look cool, whilst easily equaling Canon's APSC DSLRs and arguably their older full frame ones with average lenses. Vietnamese youngsters, techies and hipsters know this and use Fuji or film cameras.

Let's not pretend looking cool doesn't matter. Fuji photos look cool with Classic Negative/Chrome and the cameras perform great. Just a bit behind with autofocus which you can get with Olympus for wildlife or Sony or Nikon. Whoop dee doo. Xtrans 4 AF is generally great.

This is a development year for Xtrans 5 and Fuji have been more active than I expected actually. Whereas Sony are still on their 8 year old 24MP APSC sensor, Fuji are busy in the lab working on 2 badass sensors for their first Xtrans 5 camera. It will be worth the wait I am sure.
Exactly. Fuji has been playing it right in APS-C category and I expect X-H2 will make them uncontested leaders for next 5 years. Finally they are delivering a professional video oriented body plus a lens that is designed with the same care as one of their MK Zooms, and people still aren't happy. Ok, it might not be a camera for every person. But Fuji is working hard at giving the best camera possible right now in APS-C. It's really cool how many features they've packed into X-S10. So whatever comes next will be much better. After all, they've been working on this camera for two whole years.
 
100% your comments. There is only so far you can go. New tech makes things easier for the less experienced, if that is all that they require then all is good. However, I believe that it is to the benefit of photographers of any kind to actually know the basics i.e the triangle, with that they can use any camera regardless of the tech within.

I come from a film background using Pentax ME Super and MX. I now use FUji XT20 and XT2, simply for the fact that they have dials - oh and the cost to value ratio is good with me. Also I love the screen on the XT2 , can be flippe out in portrait mode.
There is no doubt some less experienced photographers would get more out of their existing gear if they did some further learning and development or lessons.
I love the direct controls on the XT 20 & XT2. I also came from the age of film but using the OM1 and OM2 series. I have no experience of the Pentax ME but I’m going to assume that there is more the same than different when it comes to operating the camera.
I still shoot the odd roll of film, still on my OM1. It is a great way to reset. The optical view finders make me more self conscious about ensuring I have nailed the exposure for the shooting course conditions and situation , the fact it’s going to cost me and I am starting out with 36 frames makes me work harder at the composition and framing of the subject. All good discipline. If I get it wrong , it’s me that needs to make the adjustments.
I was an early adaptor of the Xpro 1 . I loved the fact that it had a hybrid viewfinder, the direct controls and the film simulations were just magic.
 
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I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
 
I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
Why would you be mad? Fuji saved you a lot of money by allowing you not to upgrade. It’s always good to be happy with what you already use.
 
I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
Why would you be mad? Fuji saved you a lot of money by allowing you not to upgrade. It’s always good to be happy with what you already use.
 
This forum really enjoys pointless debate on nitpicking unimportant details. I think my context made it clear that APS-C has not seen much activity from any player except Fuji in past couple of years.
  • $960 Nikon Z fc + $300 Nikkor Z 28mm F2.8 + $270 Nikkor Z 40mm F2
  • $700 Sony ZV-E10
  • $999 Ricoh GRIIIx
  • $599 Canon EOS M50 Mark II (which only upgrade firmware)
 
Looking cool means nothing to how my photos come out that's just down to skill.

And those canon cameras will take ad good photos in the hands of a good photographer

How the camera looks will not make anyone suddenly take better pictures
 
I have very good success using a custom af-c setting. The issue is people aren’t willing to learn and experiment and instead want the camera to make them photographers. If you rely on the camera to do all the work for you, you’re not a photographer, you’re a button pusher.
 
When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!
If you can’t get the shots you want with the current line up….we’re at a time when us as photographers upgrading ourselves will make a bigger difference than upgrading the gear, I think
Very true. A little self education in art and studying the greats of photography pays off way more than the newest whatever.
 
I have very good success using a custom af-c setting. The issue is people aren’t willing to learn and experiment and instead want the camera to make them photographers. If you rely on the camera to do all the work for you, you’re not a photographer, you’re a button pusher.
I often wonder if the people who are always chasing the next thing ever open the manual for the stuff they own now. I keep a copy in my camera bag.
 
I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
Sadly I agree. Fujifilm are going the way Nikon did with their retro camera this year i.e. it didn't have the most important manual control: an aperture ring on the lens. Making it a joke/toy imho.

The Fuji joystick is crap for (some of) us who don't edit focus position much. I want up, down, left, right, not diagonals in the menu, which results in wrong directions. If I have to menu dive I want ease of use and speed. Not a fiddly joystick which leads to mistakes. It's fine when there are both options like on the groundbreaking XT3 (that camera was massive for video with it's specs). Fujifilm are going too minimal to seemingly cater to the smartphone crowd who like the minimal controls film cameras had and selfies. It takes the fun away from using Fuji. It's like Fuji forgot we now have autofocus and other innovations since 1970.

No grips and no focus lever is the wrong direction. They don't even provide a battery charger anymore 😒 Fuji may lose the USP (unique selling point) if they carry on removing features like the D pad, focus mode lever (why remove such an integral part of the system? - for minimalism and to save a few bucks), going gripless makes bodies heavier and hotter and more expensive, because you have to hold the body uncomfortably and/or add extra grips.

The XE4 was a joke next to a new X Pro 2 for the same price ($1k, the XE needed the extras taking it over 1k for me). The XE4 wuth 27mm was also a joke next to the similarly priced X100V, which to be fair is a work of art and had a better grip than the F. You say it was a downgrade from the XE3, in that case it was a major downgrade from the solid XE2. The XS10 was a joke next to the now similarly priced XT3 for video if you don't need IBIS, there is a massive gulf in specs and controls and overall build quality.

The XH2 needs to be a workhorse camera. If it also sacrifices important controls it might flop. I want to use it with gloves on and in extreme sunlight, maybe in the dark and that means nice easy controls. People are already turning back to Nikon for more realistic colors and good ergonomics. If Sony tweak a couple of things (e.g. film sim options, better video specs, or aperture rings like Sigma are doing for them already) Fuji may not stand out. Sony are already doing full frame nearly the same size as Fuji cameras.

If Nikon or Sony have the video specs of the XH2 for a similar price, it will be hard to stick with Fujifilm for video. The colors aren't right imho. I love some of the film sims, but for video I prefer accuracy, and lots of people want that super Sony autofocus tracking. Fuji are sacrificing usability for penny pinching and trying to be too stylish (minimal). It simply doesn't make sense to buy crippled cameras like the XE4 and XS10 IMHO when there are older cameras which cost the same and have far better specs.

The XT3 is $1,099 at B and H. The XE4 is roughly the same with the necessary grips. The XS10 is almost the same. The latter two aren't in the same ballpark as the XT3. Nowhere near in anyway except for the IQ of photos. The EVF, controls, solid body, WR, everything is far superior. It even comes with a flash and battery charger!

Fujifilm are cool. But that's all. For landscapes and fine art only the medium format cameras make the grade imho. The XT3 with HLG H.265 400Mbps video was great in that amazing body. But since then it has been downhill with flimsy cameras and supposed flagships like the X Pro 3 and X100V both having unusually high return rates due to poor quality control.

There is a good reason they made an XT3 mark II. Even with stuff removed it easily beats the newer cameras. The XT3 is solid. At least Fuji recognize this. It's a shame so many people are happy with such inferior cameras like the XE4 and XS10. It's like Fuji start with a great camera (X Pro 2 for Xtrans 3 and XT3 for Xtrans 4), then spend a few years making worse versions, then they reduce the price of the great camera making the rest poor purchases for most people.
 
The XE4 wuth 27mm was also a joke next to the similarly priced X100V,
Not sure which country you purchase in, but the price difference in the UK between the XE4/27 WR and the X100V is £350. That is not 'similar' in my book. And I am amused by why you think a camera that has the flex to change lenses and with the same sensor is a joke. Perhaps an objective explanation would help me 'get the joke'.
 
I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
Sadly I agree. Fujifilm are going the way Nikon did with their retro camera this year i.e. it didn't have the most important manual control: an aperture ring on the lens. Making it a joke/toy imho.

The Fuji joystick is crap for (some of) us who don't edit focus position much. I want up, down, left, right, not diagonals in the menu, which results in wrong directions. If I have to menu dive I want ease of use and speed. Not a fiddly joystick which leads to mistakes. It's fine when there are both options like on the groundbreaking XT3 (that camera was massive for video with it's specs). Fujifilm are going too minimal to seemingly cater to the smartphone crowd who like the minimal controls film cameras had and selfies. It takes the fun away from using Fuji. It's like Fuji forgot we now have autofocus and other innovations since 1970.
John Lydage of Bury said it best when he said, "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” Although I prefer Gen Colin Powell's updated version, "Pi**ing people off is both inevitable and necessary. This doesn’t mean that the goal is pi**ing people off. Pi**ing people off doesn’t mean you’re doing the right things, but doing the right things will almost inevitably pi** people off." The ultimate design conundrum.

Every thing you dislike - I seem to like and just about every thing you like I dislike. The elimination of the D-pad on the Pro3 was a giant step forward for me in usability. The joy stick is fine. The back is free from a clutter of buttons that can be accidentally hit. And the drop down display that folds up out of the way on the Pro3 is wonderful and it eliminates one of the most irritation things about the Pro2, the idiotic eye view merry go round. While this Pro3 display is my preferred, I could live with a articulating screen since could be flipped around and placed face against the camera out of the way for protection. The XT3 display - well one reason I don't have an XT3.

It is a large market out there that and Fuji has to thread many different needles. That's the reason for multiple UI designs and multiple cameras based on the same internal technology. Fuji has multiple options. If you don't like what Fuji is doing or none of the Fuji options fit your needs, there are a lot of other options out there. However, just because you don't like something it doesn't mean other's don't. But to be sure no camera company is going to allow one to design their own custom camera by picking and choosing, D-pad or not, type of display, etc. Is not going to happen.
 
I can't help but agree. I prefer my X-T3 to the X-T4. I prefer the xpro2 to the xpro3. I find the xe4 a downgrade of the xe3. And I regret greatly the removal of the d-pad on the x100v. I dislike selfie screens, I love my d-pad, and I don't want my bodies to get as bulky and heavy as full frame bodies.
Sadly I agree. Fujifilm are going the way Nikon did with their retro camera this year i.e. it didn't have the most important manual control: an aperture ring on the lens. Making it a joke/toy imho.

The Fuji joystick is crap for (some of) us who don't edit focus position much. I want up, down, left, right, not diagonals in the menu, which results in wrong directions. If I have to menu dive I want ease of use and speed. Not a fiddly joystick which leads to mistakes. It's fine when there are both options like on the groundbreaking XT3 (that camera was massive for video with it's specs). Fujifilm are going too minimal to seemingly cater to the smartphone crowd who like the minimal controls film cameras had and selfies. It takes the fun away from using Fuji. It's like Fuji forgot we now have autofocus and other innovations since 1970.
Every thing you dislike - I seem to like and just about every thing you like I dislike. The elimination of the D-pad on the Pro3 was a giant step forward for me in usability. The joy stick is fine. The back is free from a clutter of buttons that can be accidentally hit. And the drop down display that folds up out of the way on the Pro3 is wonderful and it eliminates one of the most irritation things about the Pro2, the idiotic eye view merry go round. While this Pro3 display is my preferred, I could live with a articulating screen since could be flipped around and placed face against the camera out of the way for protection. The XT3 display - well one reason I don't have an XT3.
What an absolute mystery to me. How can you not appreciate the d-pad? And if you personally don't use it, how do you set things on the camera? Do you dive into the menu for each little thing? Or twiddle around with the Q-menu?
Awful! But even so, ok you don't need the d-pad, awkward but ok. Why do you accidentally hit it? I've literally never done that. And how come you don't accidentally hit the joystick? Or the focus switch? Or the aperture? Or the shutter button?
 
When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!
What is the competition you want see ? Some camera that competes with R3 and the tons of various big white lenses Canon has produced - or Z9 and great lenses from Nikon.

Fujifilm is making smaller APS C cameras for a totally different audience. And then there is the special medium format series - clearly a different beast. It doe not compete with R3 , i hope

And a Canon R3 can not compete with X-E4 IF you want to have an affordable camera+lens you can carry in your pocket on a walk on some shady street.

There is no competition and there is no race - companies sell cameras to different purposes and needs and wallets. R3 is made for a special need - like sport photographers who can also buy a 600mm prime that costs 14 000€ .

Disappointed ? Why ?

I am disappointed only if Fujifilm starts to make bad cameras and does not invent anything new in the future.
 
When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!
If you can’t get the shots you want with the current line up….we’re at a time when us as photographers upgrading ourselves will make a bigger difference than upgrading the gear, I think
Very true. A little self education in art and studying the greats of photography pays off way more than the newest whatever.
Aye indeed. Especially cinematography.

Wong Kar Wei movies filmed by Christopher Doyle.. a lot of mid career Pedro Almodovar... both exquisite colour photography... oh and the Three Colours trilogy by Kreislowski....

Black and white, watching the best of Akira Kurasawa or the opening credits scene from Raging Bull cannot help but inspire anyone to want to go out and shoot black and white for a while....

You can learn a lot about photography from movies including the best use of different focal lengths

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