What fuji doing in 2021 is very dissapointing

Jack ads said:

It is die hard fan like you who stop companies from improving. It is no harm stating consumers’ expectation as what they need to do is to meet OUR NEED. And also how’s my expectation is “unrealistic”?

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Let's make sure that we're clear on one thing... what you stated here is YOUR need. Please don't try to act as if your strongly stated opinions stated in this forum are somehow representative of a wide variety of Fuji users. Clearly, you will have those who agree, which is just fine. But, please avoid using "our need" to describe what are simply your own strongly stated desires (or demands).

From my standpoint, I'm in this for the long term. Would I love to have that X-H2 in my hands now? You bet! Do I want to make sure that it's the best possible body that it can be and ends up being highly competitive. Yup! And, unlike you, I'm fine with waiting and am not overly limited by the older technology that I'm currently using (X-H1). I'm pretty confident that whatever shows up next year will be well worth the wait. Would I like to see it sooner? Well, sure... who wouldn't? If you're that impatient, then you have choices... whining here won't bring what you're hoping for any sooner.

But, bottom line... don't sit here and try to suggest that your impatience and view are representative of a broad base of users. I'm in this for the long term and have enough confidence in what will be coming that I have no intention of tossing dollar bills into the fire and changing brands. I'm pretty confident that I'm not alone in this. I did make that mistake once, years ago (Sony) and it ended up being a huge and expensive bad decision... one I wish I'd researched more first. But, that's not to say that you or others might not see a different outcome, so if your level of frustration is that high... you do have that option. Going that way might be a lot more productive than engaging in a whine fest here, or trying to imply that your own strongly stated opinions are very broadly shared.

One last point... do try to remember that we're still in the midst of a pandemic. ALL companies and their supply chains have been impacted. So, delays in new product introductions are to be expected across the board. It's all a matter of whether you have the patience to wait them out. I, for one, am in this for the long term, so I'm not inclined to holler "squirrel" every time something cool appears on the horizon. YMMV.

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Jack ads said:

When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!

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Uhm, how about the GFX50s and GFX100S?

If all you are interested in is winning the camera war of 2021, maybe it’s time to leave Fuji.

Spot on, Truman! Well worth the read.

Samuraidog said:

What we are experiencing now with Fujifilm is where Nikon was before they announced the Z9. One release changes everything. Once the X-H2 comes out, Fujifilm will seemingly be back in the game.

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One release does not change everything, it only changes the perception of some internet posters who extrapolate from one data point

BobsYourUncle said:

Jack ads said:

When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!

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and stay away from these discussions I will be short-winded. Ever since the "S" series of cams in the early 2000's Fuji has played the innovative snd niche role in the pro-consumer market. Along with Canon at the time Fuji's "S" system was considered the wedding photographer's camera due to their focus" on dynamic range and tonality....allegedly 12 mp but actually about 8 but with beautiful results. I still own 2 S5's.

Then comes the "X" series of innovation which was trashed by many but has matured into one of the best all-rounders for APS-C. Many long time Fuji users prior to the "X" series were clamoring for a FF version but those pleas fell on deaf ears by FujiFilm. They stuck with the X-trans snd we are all better for it.

Then comes the Gfx series. Yes I know what this forum focuses on and am very aware. The Gfx system for Fuji has matured into at least 2 of the most revolutionary great cameras currently available. The ability to place a beautiful MF sensor into a body the same size and weight of a small Dslr and get the kind of imagery they can produce is truly transformative. Just look at the fashion market and other disciplines that demand a very high end product.

Though not the speed demon of the Sony A1 or Canon/Nikon's offerings they hold their own. The MF forum is basically a GFx forum. Why? Fuji is an innovator and will probably never get to the other big 3 in sales but that may not be their focus. Am I disappointed they won't? Certainly not.....A very big reason I am not is not too long ago I purchased both the 100s and 50SII and a host of GF lenses, I couldn't be more pleased. They are top performers with the Fuji look and "ecosystem" they provide a superior IQ very few other cams can provide when required!.

So, that's that from someone who owns 2 S5's from the past, a host of APSc "X" cams, and now the proud owner of the GFx series of cams and lenses. (BTW the lenses are remarkable--as one would expect from Fuji).

Final verdict. Don't count Fuji out. They will surprise you.

Bob....your experienced Fuji owner since 2003)

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Maybe some should sit back take a deep breath and look at with luminous landscape has to say.

Jack ads said:

It is die hard fan like you who stop companies from improving. It is no harm stating consumers’ expectation as what they need to do is to meet OUR NEED. And also how’s my expectation is “unrealistic”?

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Don't you think that OUR here should really real "MY" need? I would be will to wager that Fuji knows more about "OUR" needs when OUR is interpreted to be the market segment they are targeting with their products. They are not idiots and the managers make a lot of money to make such decisions and they will be held accountable for the outcome of their decisions.

These threads often remind me of people that buy a house near an airport because the prices was low and then march on City Hall because of the noise of the airport. :-O

Jack ads said:

It is die hard fan like you who stop companies from improving. It is no harm stating consumers’ expectation as what they need to do is to meet OUR NEED. And also how’s my expectation is “unrealistic”?

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“Die hard fan like you”… “OUR NEED”, even in capital letters… really, seriously?

Considering the fact that you do not know me at all, know nothing about me at all… what do you think “entitles” you to make such statements? Just curious…!

No offense intended, but if you wouldn’t have disqualified yourself from any potential serious discussion regarding this „controversial” topic already with your original post, at least in my opinion… at latest now this your response has done so, with ease.

Therefore no sense to waste any more time, for example explaining why “disappointments” are based on “unrealistic” expectations. But maybe you will figure out, understand one day…!

H.

bearpat said:

Not just 2021, actually what they have been doing these couple of years has been disappointing enough, probably largely due to Fuji diverting resources to develop MF and their mindset that they have a more "complete" range of APS-C lenses than the competition, they could slack off for a couple of years. But in fact, they are so far behind the competition now. (a) Their AF algorithm is pure elementary level and unreliable; (b) their f1.4 primes had been long overdue for a couple of years and the real 2nd generation lenses only came out this year (18mm, 23mm and 33mm) (actually if you consider these 3 lens releases, it's not all that disappointing really, look at their refresh on the 10-24mm and 27mm, they only just added WR, and called it a day); (c) their f2.8 zooms with XT-4 are even heavier than full frame f2.8s, but not optically superior to merit its weight

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Oh dear, your comparison is not going too well.

XT4 is fujis high end body, with a big EVF etc.

You compare it to the smallest FF with a pinhole EVF?

What is the relevance in that? The FF 24-70 2.8 you compare to costs nearly double.



Compare it to the xe4 instead, that is relevant, that is the apple to apple, since you must be comparing it to the a7c, only FF that is lighter than the xt4.

Then it is smaller and lighter.

Jack ads said:

When you take a look at other camera company, Sony has the a1 and a7iv. Nikon has the z9. Canon has the R3. What fuji has is a disappointing “minimalistic” XE4 and a XT30ii which can actually be a firmware update. Where is the XH2 and XT5 or even the XT40? I wish that fuji can compete with the other big camera company but in this way they are just gonna fail hard like Olympus. And also there is no exciting lens coming. 18-120 are you kidding me we already have the 18-135 are you fool?. Where is the ultra wide prime fuji?!?!

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It would be helpful if you could be more specific as to what you think is missing in terms of camera functions. I am very content with what the x100v and x-E3s have to offer.

An ultra wide prime is a good point, and I would add a medium tele that complements the small XF f2 line (like a 75, or a 75 and a 90mm). The current 90mm is outstanding - but too large and heavy.

Samuraidog said:

What we are experiencing now with Fujifilm is where Nikon was before they announced the Z9. One release changes everything. Once the X-H2 comes out, Fujifilm will seemingly be back in the game.

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Fuji have never been out of the game, they choose which game to play and seem to be winning in my mind.

Next year will probably see the Canon R1 and the Fuji H2 and not much else but maybe the OM wow body/

Those first 2 mentioned bodies will lift the game in their genres.

This comment complaining about Fujifilm in the slow-lane should not be taken seriously. Fujifilm releasing new lenses like 33mm f1,4 which is unobtainable in Europe due to high demand. Fujifilm X-T4 meets the requirements of most photographers based on value and features. Nikon Z9 aimed at professionals and the like. Fujifilm will release new models when they are ready. Cameras are not like sports cars with new versions every autumn / fall. It does make one wonder if new cameras a fashion item for some people.

I have an advice for you: stick to Canon, Sony or NIkon. I often open negative posts about a brand and most of the times they are written by a person with none or very little (constructive) contributions. Some people might call that trolling.
Kind regards, Roelof

I am always curious about posts like these. Is there some function that you need in a camera that your current equipment does not have? Could you tell me a time when you needed that unavailable function and a shot was ruined? What exactly did you need? I bet that most shooters don't use a lot of the capabilities built into what they have now.

Or is this a case of you wanting some ultimate perfect camera that will never exist?

I have an X-T2 and several non-OIS lenses and yet I still shoot. Also have an X100F and I can actually get by with out weather proofing. The stuff I buy stuff I usually keep for a long time.

My opinion is that a lot of people who whine about a camera that can't do X (insert your complaint here) don't actually shoot very much and are just gear obsessed.

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Zack S
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Lots of times I will just take my X100F and nothing else to shoot with. It is liberating to not have to think about gear and I find that I get more keepers when I do this.

My wife and I are going on a week long cruise to Bermuda next year and the only photo stuff I am taking is the X100F, a mini tripod and 4 batteries.

I am done taking a lugging a lot of gear around.

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Jack ads said:

I really hope what you said will come true next year. For me, upgrading to stacked sensor, MUCH improved AF(please give me animal eye detect at least) and improved IBIS will be enough of an upgrade. I dont need 8K but instead I want an improved IQ.

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Not good enough!

I want PRECOGNITION AUTO FOCUS that knows where to focus even before I put the camera to my eye and frame the shot, I want it to read the neurons in my brain that are a billion billionth's of a second in front of my own awareness!!!

I want to take a shot of the darkest skinned African person in the world, deep down inside the channel tunnel with zero visibility at night handheld at ISO 1,000,000,000 and have it look like it was outside on a sunny day at ISO 50!

I want to be able to wake up out of bed and my camera is already taking the shots I need for the whole rest of the day using AI technology!

I want speech recognition ability and a dream / wish fulfilment mode where I can take the most awfully framed, composed and exposed shot ever and say to the camera, aw I wish this was shake free and well exposed and composed to the golden ratio - and Kazaaaammmm! The camera makes it happen!

Anything less is not good enough! How on earth else do they expect me to get a good photo these days?!

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I fully agree with you! All of the great photographers of the past could not have shot anything of note unless they had IBIS, stacked sensors, f/.1 lenses and whatever is coming out next year.

HCB, Irving Penn an Richard Avedon were mere slackers and we need to throw out their work. What we need in books and galleries are just photos of brick wall test shots and examples of bokeh done with pictures of toys.

And for gods sake lets find a camera that has decent "micro-contrast". Everyone knows that a photo is no good unless it has a lot of that even though it imaginary and even if it were real it makes no difference in a photo.

Jack ads said:

It is die hard fan like you who stop companies from improving. It is no harm stating consumers’ expectation as what they need to do is to meet OUR NEED. And also how’s my expectation is “unrealistic”?

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Why would Fuji care what you want? You don't think that the marketing people, developers, managers and board of directors have a better idea of what the market wants?

New to X system in 2021:

- 6 lenses

- 2 cameras

Comparing to 6,000 USD cameras like R3 and Z9, really?

Felice62 said:

I don't understand all this excitement about announcements about the latest and greatest cam. I can barely keep up with what i have and, despite i am keen to upgrade when something appeals to me, i am never anxious about the waiting for the next wow camera.

I'd rather invest on me getting better as a photographer than on a cam m, thinking it would make of me a better photographer..

So, whenever Fuji will produce a new better camera i might consider upgrading. However there is nothing my cameras are unable to cope with, i can blame them for.

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Me too. Every week I get a lot of books of photos by the greats of the past from the library and study them. I wonder how many people that whine about their cameras don't actually use them?

Right now I am building a tabletop cyclorama to take abstract macro photos with. Also learning how to light with speed lights.

This is my first try;



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Zack S
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Zaax said:

Felice62 said:

I don't understand all this excitement about announcements about the latest and greatest cam. I can barely keep up with what i have and, despite i am keen to upgrade when something appeals to me, i am never anxious about the waiting for the next wow camera.

I'd rather invest on me getting better as a photographer than on a cam m, thinking it would make of me a better photographer..

So, whenever Fuji will produce a new better camera i might consider upgrading. However there is nothing my cameras are unable to cope with, i can blame them for.

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Me too. Every week I get a lot of books of photos by the greats of the past from the library and study them. I wonder how many people that whine about their cameras don't actually use them?

Right now I am building a tabletop cyclorama to take abstract macro photos with. Also learning how to light with speed lights.

This is my first try;



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Zack S
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10025089@N05/ https://www.instagram.com/schindlerzack/

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Nothing wrong with liking cameras and improving in photography too. For me it isn’t so much that cameras can’t do what I want… it’s just that the perfect camera (for me) is still not available. It has nothing to do with what dpreview wants though… To be honest, I’m the happiest I’ve ever been with my gear and I’ve spent Leica $ on my photo book library over the pandemic. Some people just like gear.

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Nice composition !