Why no VR on Nikon's non-tele zoom lenses?

In the Canon system you get an extra couple stops of stabilization when both IBIS and IS / VR are working in concert.
In the Canon system you didn't get IBIS for nearly 2 years after the RF launch, and you still don't with the RP and R. So more reason for IS/VR in lenses. All the Nikon Z full frame bodies have had IBIS since day one.
 
The optical quality could be higher if the VR correction is from the optical axis rather than off the optical axis centre.
Probably. But if you're in a situation where you're using VR, I'd question whether it's materially better.
When a low amount of VR/IS shift is needed for a stable image Nikon VR could well have an advantage with operation based on the optical centre of the lens.

When full shift is needed if operation takes place away from the optical centre then shift travel left or right or top and bottom relative to the optical axis might be restricted.
Yes, of course. However, you did not deal with the materiality issue.
Really hard to test, though.
I agree - though Nikon has an advantage compared to several other brands when panning as the panning direction is automatically ignored with Nikon. Some other brands need a second VR setting to be selected when panning.

While VR can very occasionally compromise image quality a little I would rather have a sharp image with VR when helpful than an unsharp image with VR off.
 
Why no VR? LOL

The unsware to everthing is Money

You buy NON VR lens now, the next generation will have VR, then you upgrade

Everthing is money
If the lens is short enough that the IBIS travel is sufficient, optical VR adds no value.
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In the Canon system you get an extra couple stops of stabilization when both IBIS and IS / VR are working in concert. Also more is better when shooting video- for sure!
I agree with the poster who said it comes down to coast savings as to why VR is not in more lenses.
I wasn’t talking about Canons. I have not tested Canons.
 
Why no VR? LOL

The unsware to everthing is Money

You buy NON VR lens now, the next generation will have VR, then you upgrade

Everthing is money
If the lens is short enough that the IBIS travel is sufficient, optical VR adds no value.
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In the Canon system you get an extra couple stops of stabilization when both IBIS and IS / VR are working in concert.
Are you comprehending the distinction between stabilization within the limits of the IS travel and what happens when those limits are exceeded?

Can you post a URL of a comparison of IS performance with and without IBIS for Canon lenses across a range to focal lengths from long tele to ultrawide? Extra credit for tests that measure the amount of travel required for each condition.

It is true that there is more travel available with IBIS and OIS used together, but that is beside the point that I made above.
 
In the Canon system you get an extra couple stops of stabilization when both IBIS and IS / VR are working in concert.
This is true with some but not all Canon bodies and lenses where IS and IBIS can work in tandem.

Nikon has already provided a similar facility for the 70-200S via a lens firmware update though apparently only useful with the Z9 when it arrives.

The 100-400 is sometimes reported as having a similar feature from day one and the 105 S is sometimes reported as due for a firmware upgrade similar to the 70-200S.

There can already be some useful stability for video using Nikon camera bodies that have electronic VR. For those not familiar with electronic VR the image is moderately cropped and the cropped out area is used to provided electronic VR.

Not so very long ago VR performance of 3.5 stops was good.

6 or more stops combining VR and IBIS seems to be coming soon with Nikon - though probably initially only with the Z9 and a few S lenses.

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In the Canon system you get an extra couple stops of stabilization when both IBIS and IS / VR are working in concert.
This is true with some but not all Canon bodies and lenses where IS and IBIS can work in tandem.

Nikon has already provided a similar facility for the 70-200S via a lens firmware update though apparently only useful with the Z9 when it arrives.

The 100-400 is sometimes reported as having a similar feature from day one and the 105 S is sometimes reported as due for a firmware upgrade similar to the 70-200S.

There can already be some useful stability for video using Nikon camera bodies that have electronic VR. For those not familiar with electronic VR the image is moderately cropped and the cropped out area is used to provided electronic VR.

Not so very long ago VR performance of 3.5 stops was good.

6 or more stops combining VR and IBIS seems to be coming soon with Nikon - though probably initially only with the Z9 and a few S lenses.
Either way, people claiming that VR would not be of value in this $1100 lens is just plain silly.

Cheers.
 
Either way, people claiming that VR would not be of value in this $1100 lens is just plain silly.
All lens designs are compromises.

Nikon are unlikely to tell us if there was no space for an around 5 stops VR group while keeping the lens relatively lightweight with very little focus breathing.

Initial limited pre-release feedback is the S is optically better than the F.

If 5 axis 5 stop IBIS is possible (Nikon has not confirmed 5 stops IBIS) it might be potentially more beneficial than the 3.5 stops 2 axis VR in the F mount version.

If this S lens had in lens VR it would cost more.

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Leonard Shepherd
In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than anything else.
 
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