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Very Nice, I have been trying to visit Harewood house but they seem reluctant due to covid to let in spectators. That Maggot, brilliant.

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Great shots. When I see these old racers, I am always amazed at how at-risk the driver is, and how many years it took till the highest point wasn't his head.
 
Thank you for sharing the beautiful photos of these amazing racing machines. Thank goodness there are people that maintain and show these machines. I would love to attend this event.
 
All the hill climbs seemed to be a little slow off the mark but did eventually get going. Prescott came under some fire for not letting spectators in after the other venues had done so. Don’t suppose there was a right or wrong approach but given you’re outside in the fresh air you’d think the risk would have been lower. 🤔
 
These machines fascinate me. Their engineering ranges from industrial crudeness to things of sheer beauty. I too admire the owners for keeping them running and, more so, racing them for our entertainment. From a photography point of view I like that you can see the driver especially when they wear period style helmets and black or plain white race suits. I think that adds to the period feel more so than a bright red suit etc. They’re a great bunch of enthusiastic guys when you chat to them in the paddock. Got to admire a man whose willing to thrash his million pound Bugatti to it’s limits….
 
These machines fascinate me. Their engineering ranges from industrial crudeness to things of sheer beauty. I too admire the owners for keeping them running and, more so, racing them for our entertainment. From a photography point of view I like that you can see the driver especially when they wear period style helmets and black or plain white race suits. I think that adds to the period feel more so than a bright red suit etc. They’re a great bunch of enthusiastic guys when you chat to them in the paddock. Got to admire a man whose willing to thrash his million pound Bugatti to it’s limits….
Some vintage Indycar stuff from Road America a few years ago.

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Nice!

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These are great fun. You had sunshine! Terrific photo of Chuck Ward and his Corvette. He told me he rolled the car over that weekend but he showed up with it at the Avants Classic.

Did you go through the pits?

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Yes, Saturday was sunny. Perhaps Chuck rolled his Vette on Sunday - I only attended on Saturday.

But that does remind me of an incident from the 2019 Spring Sprints, when Dave Edelstein spun his Vette in Turn 5. I was shooting from Turn 6 and only caught his final resting place after he bit the tire wall. He was fine, and told me later on that the car would be back on the track in short order.

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Warning - this is boring if you don't go to Pacific:

That explains why I didn't see anyone with your camera brand. From the photos, we were in different locations Saturday and you were not there Sunday. Did I go Saturday? Don't remember.

I shot turns 2 and 3 from the top of the hill in the morning and 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 the rest of the day. I stood on the outside of turn 9, on the drag strip with the 75 f/1.8 and from the drag strip straight in the stands with the 300 f/4 and the 2X telephoto. I shot some of the open-wheel cars from the flag station inside turn 8.

Pacific is a dangerous track. There are a lot of spins in the 5-6 section because you come into that area with a good head of steam as you saw. Everybody wants to get a good run up the hill to 8 but 5-6-7 are tight turns. Aggressive drivers try to get through there too fast to have a good exit speed for the runup to 8.

You can see there is no runoff in this area so if you can't make it through there you end up where Edelstein was or worse. On your roof or wrapped around a tree. If you want to photograph spins that's the place to be.

Ward was lucky in turn two. You can hit very high speeds down the hill to the entry and the exit of turn 1 is fast. Quite a feat to drop two wheels off there and not end up running up the berm or spinning at over 100MPH. If you lose your brakes there or they can't pull the speed down enough you have to take the exit road. I've seen cars run up the hill there far enough to run over photographers if they are shooting down at the turn 2 entry. Nobody was shooting photos at the time. It's a place where you need situational awareness.

Driving that back part from turn 3B exit is one of the most fun parts of the track but you really get cooking by the time you get to 4. Turn 4 is not difficult. The trouble starts in 5 and 6 where drivers try to go through too fast. They are decreasing radius turn in a place where drivers want to accelerate for the fun of it. It's a strategic mistake because they are not fast turns for this track. If you are slow through there you don't lose that much time like you do in the fast sweepers like 1 which is the most important turn on the track. If you are slow in turn 1, you are slow. You can't make up the time.

A thinking driver will take 4-5-6 easy but it's so much fun I'm guessing this is the reason some don't. Tracks like Sears Point where you can accelerate through a series of S-Turns are usually wide and have a lot of runoff in those places. At Sears, they have increasing radius and good camber. You can blast through there safely. You just have to be careful not to carry too much speed into turn ten or you climb the fence. The problem with Pacific is the S-turn area in the back is narrow and fast with no runoff and a steep hill and trees that can kill you. Momentum cars can get through there reasonably safely because they can't build lethal speed. Fast cars are not safe though there. I tip-toe through there in my Cobra on track days. I'm not getting paid to risk my life so I focus on going fast in safer areas. If other drivers put up better lap times - I don't care.

Some of the local drivers I know won't bring their faster, heavier cars out to Pacific because of this section of the track. They feel like it's too dangerous. It's the same reason why major pro events can never be run there. Imagine the carnage if they tried to run WEC races there with GT3 and 4 cars and prototypes. It will never happen. It could happen at The Ridge if the owners keep building out the facility. It's wider and much safer. That will take another 5-10 years. But the local infrastructure can't support it. Imagine an FIA race or an Indy car race in Shelton with 50,000 people attending. It won't happen in my lifetime.

It's a shame because there is so much money, such great car collections here. We had an FIA team, an Indy car team based here. We have some of the world's great vintage race collections here. One of the major shareholders of Aston Martin is here and has a great collection of vintage race cars. Aston is succeeding in the FIA and competing in F1. We have everything but a world-class racing facility with the infrastructure to support it.

Do you know about AVANTS? GOOGLE them if no. If you join they have a tour of one of the best private garages planned for December 8. I'll be there:

* Nuvolari's P-3 Alfa - won 1936 German GP with, humiliating the ****-financed German cars that had 100 more horsepower. The Alfa looked and was primitive in comparison. One of the great historic drives.

* 1938 2900B Alfa Coupe that won the first race at Watkins Glen - later restored and won best of show at Pebble and Villa D'Este on Lake Como

* 166 Ferrari Chinetti won LeMans for the third time in 1949. He drove 22.5 hours

* Ferrari GTO Graham Hill drove to second place in the Tourist Trophy in 1962

* A Ferrari race car carrier

* Three total Best of Show cars at Pebble

* Roberto Rossellini's Ferrari road car

* The first GT40 (2000s car) sold to the public

He drives them. The GTO has been on the Colorado Grand, never washed since, as of 2018. I like the early models with the original bodywork like this one. He vintage raced the 166 and the P3.

An Alfa/Ferrari collection that has to be one of the world's best is the core of the collection but not the only great cars in the garage. Not the biggest garage but one of the best ones. Private garage, not open to the public. Might be the only time you will be able to get in there.

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Warning - this is boring if you don't go to Pacific:

That explains why I didn't see anyone with your camera brand. From the photos, we were in different locations Saturday and you were not there Sunday. Did I go Saturday? Don't remember.

I shot turns 2 and 3 from the top of the hill in the morning and 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 the rest of the day. I stood on the outside of turn 9, on the drag strip with the 75 f/1.8 and from the drag strip straight in the stands with the 300 f/4 and the 2X telephoto. I shot some of the open-wheel cars from the flag station inside turn 8.
Using the flag-station numbers as reference, my friend and I started at 2B in the morning - both next to the flag station and also across the track from it, then walked down to the berm between 3A & 3B, which obviously is where I took those photos of Chuck Ward. After lunch, we oscillated between the Turn 8 flag station and the outside of Turn 9, both up in the bleachers next to the flag station and behind the barrier below them looking up at turn 8.
Pacific is a dangerous track. There are a lot of spins in the 5-6 section because you come into that area with a good head of steam as you saw. Everybody wants to get a good run up the hill to 8 but 5-6-7 are tight turns. Aggressive drivers try to get through there too fast to have a good exit speed for the runup to 8.

You can see there is no runoff in this area so if you can't make it through there you end up where Edelstein was or worse. On your roof or wrapped around a tree. If you want to photograph spins that's the place to be.

Ward was lucky in turn two. You can hit very high speeds down the hill to the entry and the exit of turn 1 is fast. Quite a feat to drop two wheels off there and not end up running up the berm or spinning at over 100MPH. If you lose your brakes there or they can't pull the speed down enough you have to take the exit road. I've seen cars run up the hill there far enough to run over photographers if they are shooting down at the turn 2 entry. Nobody was shooting photos at the time. It's a place where you need situational awareness.
Yes, good fade-free brakes and good modulation technique are needed coming into 3A. Not a good place to try to outbrake someone. Lock them up & you get into trouble, like Chuck Ward & also this driver at the 2018 July Historics:

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He got it stopped before he ran out of room, and wisely chose to continue down the escape road.

I've not been present for them, but have heard enough stories about cars running off the track and over that berm that I'm reconsidering whether or not I want to be up there any more - as you say, there's not a lot of room to get out of the way if that happens. Perhaps the inside of 3A near the workers' porta-potty is safer, and shooting at the outside of 3B next to the flag station is kind of a favorite spot of mine in the afternoon.
Driving that back part from turn 3B exit is one of the most fun parts of the track but you really get cooking by the time you get to 4. Turn 4 is not difficult. The trouble starts in 5 and 6 where drivers try to go through too fast. They are decreasing radius turn in a place where drivers want to accelerate for the fun of it. It's a strategic mistake because they are not fast turns for this track. If you are slow through there you don't lose that much time like you do in the fast sweepers like 1 which is the most important turn on the track. If you are slow in turn 1, you are slow. You can't make up the time.
I would think that turn 8 is also important: a fast exit speed out of 8, assuming your chassis setup can handle 9 without lifting, will get you a higher top speed down the main straight, yes?
A thinking driver will take 4-5-6 easy but it's so much fun I'm guessing this is the reason some don't. Tracks like Sears Point where you can accelerate through a series of S-Turns are usually wide and have a lot of runoff in those places. At Sears, they have increasing radius and good camber. You can blast through there safely. You just have to be careful not to carry too much speed into turn ten or you climb the fence. The problem with Pacific is the S-turn area in the back is narrow and fast with no runoff and a steep hill and trees that can kill you. Momentum cars can get through there reasonably safely because they can't build lethal speed. Fast cars are not safe though there. I tip-toe through there in my Cobra on track days. I'm not getting paid to risk my life so I focus on going fast in safer areas. If other drivers put up better lap times - I don't care.
Agreed. Not much runoff area anywhere after 2 and before 7, and the 5-6 squiggles are the most critical in that regard.
Some of the local drivers I know won't bring their faster, heavier cars out to Pacific because of this section of the track. They feel like it's too dangerous. It's the same reason why major pro events can never be run there. Imagine the carnage if they tried to run WEC races there with GT3 and 4 cars and prototypes. It will never happen. It could happen at The Ridge if the owners keep building out the facility. It's wider and much safer. That will take another 5-10 years. But the local infrastructure can't support it. Imagine an FIA race or an Indy car race in Shelton with 50,000 people attending. It won't happen in my lifetime.

It's a shame because there is so much money, such great car collections here. We had an FIA team, an Indy car team based here. We have some of the world's great vintage race collections here. One of the major shareholders of Aston Martin is here and has a great collection of vintage race cars. Aston is succeeding in the FIA and competing in F1. We have everything but a world-class racing facility with the infrastructure to support it.

Do you know about AVANTS? GOOGLE them if no. If you join they have a tour of one of the best private garages planned for December 8. I'll be there:

* Nuvolari's P-3 Alfa - won 1936 German GP with, humiliating the ****-financed German cars that had 100 more horsepower. The Alfa looked and was primitive in comparison. One of the great historic drives.

* 1938 2900B Alfa Coupe that won the first race at Watkins Glen - later restored and won best of show at Pebble and Villa D'Este on Lake Como

* 166 Ferrari Chinetti won LeMans for the third time in 1949. He drove 22.5 hours

* Ferrari GTO Graham Hill drove to second place in the Tourist Trophy in 1962

* A Ferrari race car carrier

* Three total Best of Show cars at Pebble

* Roberto Rossellini's Ferrari road car

* The first GT40 (2000s car) sold to the public

He drives them. The GTO has been on the Colorado Grand, never washed since, as of 2018. I like the early models with the original bodywork like this one. He vintage raced the 166 and the P3.

An Alfa/Ferrari collection that has to be one of the world's best is the core of the collection but not the only great cars in the garage. Not the biggest garage but one of the best ones. Private garage, not open to the public. Might be the only time you will be able to get in there.

Jon Shirley Car Collection - Photo Gallery (sportscardigest.com)
I had not really researched AVANTS, although I've seen their logos on cars at Pacific. Unfortunately, I'm already busy on that day.

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AVANTS has lots of events you might like. Too bad about the garage tour. It isn't but it's one of the world's best, especially for Alfa and Ferrari. It's private. There are not many opportunities to get in there. The owner was a very active vintage racer but he's in his 80s now and doesn't do it anymore. It's a shame you can't see those cars on tracks though he never ran the fast ones at Pacific. Too dangerous in a fast old car originally equipped. No roll bar or cage, inadequate brakes, bias-ply tires, no fuel cell, no Hans device, a minimum of safety equipment. Few people will cut up a $10+ million car to install it or race hard without it. Not in America. Not to mention competing with a priceless historic race-winning car against a mongrel with updated performance and safety everything. It's what ruined vintage racing. Imagine Chinetti's 166 Ferrari out there with a Spitfire. It's what would happen at Pacific unless the 166 was in a grid of one car.

I didn't make it down to 3A/B that weekend. You can get good shots from high enough on the hill to be out of danger. I wouldn't spend all day up there but you don't have to climb down and back. It's good for a few shots before you move on. Unless you want photos of all the cars you can go there for a few hours and leave. Take a few shots of 2, 3 A&B, shoot from the hill down on 4, 5 & 6, in the back at 7, 8 & 9, and go. There really isn't that much variety like there is at Laguna or even Sears. I still hang around for the day but I like to walk the pits during a lot of it. I'm really spoiled by Laguna. I can shoot there for four days. I still won't capture it all but I'm tired by then.

Turn #8 is important. I've never been about to figure it out in a fast car. From #7 you are flat out up the hill into #8 entry. If you brake hard you are well-positioned with the car rotated to accelerate out at driver's left for easy set up for #9 but your exit speed is slow and you can't make it up.

If you go in fast the turn doesn't have enough camber to hold the line. You end up going wide and scrubbing off speed trying to haul the car back to the left to set up for turn 9. I've done that with so much speed that I wasn't strong enough to pull the car back to the left soon enough to set up for 9. - If you maximize the turn #8 exit speed you end up too far to the right of the track. You have to find the fastest exit speed that leaves you on the left.

If you swing wide to the right you travel a greater distance, work harder to pull the car back but you carry more turn #8 exit speed. It's the only time I remember wishing for power steering in a race car, even with only 1000lbs over the front wheels. I haven't found a way to do turn #8 that felt right. Maybe I need to go there for a 1-hour lunch open track and play around with it when there are only a few cars on track, take one of the school's instructors with me, or take a few laps in one of their cars with one of them driving.

Probably the best way to get through there is find the fastest #8 exit speed you can use to hold the car ~ 1/3 way from the left side of the track. That probably takes a lot of laps with an eye on the speedo or tack. Good chance it varies from car to car. A powerful car that has grip can enter fast and fail to slow down enough at exit. They end up too wide and slow at the tun #9 entry. It's probably much easier with a less powerful car with grip. They probably can't build up enough speed up the hill from turn #7 to go into turn #8 too fast. They may be holding the gas petal down through much of the turn and the exit speed adjusts itself. You don't see many of them swinging too far to the right on exit like the faster cars do.

You have to turn late into 9 and rotate hard so you can accelerate through the apex without swinging too close to the inside wall or too far to the left where the dip is especially in rain. You need to have the turn completed with the car pointed at the apex. If you aren't pointed in the right direction you are going to be too far left or right. It isn't that hard to set up correctly because the radius is wide. I've seen drivers lose control of the car there and hit the outside wall if they don't get the car rotated and turn in too wide. If they do that hit the inside wall if the rear is loose. I've seen several cars destroyed there over the years and I don't go to this track too often, certainly not when I lived in California for 13 years.

The track was crumbling on the left side ahead of turn #4 for a few years. I couldn't take a proper line for turn #4 entry because my suspension hit the bump stops in the dip. Then they threw the car in the air (not literally) at the top when I needed to have the wheels turned. If I went too fast through there I could have spun with the car unweighted going into #4 - a potential disaster with the car going off the track to the right where is no runoff and no guardrail or off left and into a berm. That was no fun because I had had to enter #4 too far from the right. You don't lose too much time there because you have to slow down for #5 anyway but it made a mess of the rhythm through 4, 5, and 6 which should be one of the most fun areas of the track and wasn't. I ended up being slow through all of it. They repaved that area after enough complaints and accidents. I think a driver was killed ploughing into a berm there a few years back. Not sure about it. When they repaved this area they made it wider. It's much safer, faster and more fun now. Think I'd like to run it again.

I'm not going to go vintage racing, I don't think but I'd go out on an open track day with one of the local clubs. I'd like to get some video. I use a remote shotgun mike mounted under the dash. It makes great audio. In some cars you can hear the gears crashing.

Turns 2, 3A/B from the hill. Not as much fun as in the flaggers stations but you don't have to climb down and up the hill. I feel stuck down there. I get bored after a grid or too and it isn't as easy as getting out the rest of the track unless you walk down to 4.

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Some from rally event at Oulton Park last weekend.



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Those are excellent! Well done!
 
Some very nice images. I was there too but during the afternoon as the light deteriorated so my ISO setting went up and IQ went down. However, looking at your EXIFs I can see your ISO at times was 4000 (and even 6400) and the images you've got are ever so clean.

I use m4/3 equipment but just out of interest do you find the Sony equipment good with low light? Are these RAW or JEPG? SOOC, or processed? What software do you use?
 
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The other thread is just about full so starting with a few shots from the Goodwood revival 2021
I enjoy your work but I have to say that your Oly shots seem to be a step down in sharpness and detail compared to your previous Nikon shots.
Yes I find the Oly AF is a step down from that of the Nikon DSLR bodies, It's difficult even in a short burst to get more than one or two sharp shots, with a D500 every shot is sharp. Nikon has produced the Z9, if they make a D500 version I would buy that in a blink and get the 100-400 to go with it. The advantage of the E-M1X is the superb pro body, the lenses are light .
 
Some very nice images. I was there too but during the afternoon as the light deteriorated so my ISO setting went up and IQ went down. However, looking at your EXIFs I can see your ISO at times was 4000 (and even 6400) and the images you've got are ever so clean.

I use m4/3 equipment but just out of interest do you find the Sony equipment good with low light? Are these RAW or JEPG? SOOC, or processed? What software do you use?
They were raw and developed in lightroom classic. LRC's built in de-noising did most of the work, with 6400ISO being my in-camera limit on auto-iso. The shot of the red fiesta through the splash, I shoved that through topaz denoise, as LRC didn't do a good job on that one, and the result was great with minimal tweaking, as well as 50% resolution reducing on export.

Side note, the event was really restricted this time around. I don't remember the black netting around the side of the car park, also the Hilltop just before you get to knickerbrook was fenced off, so you had no chance of going to the other end of the circuit even though there wasn't seemingly a reason to fence that off.
 
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Side note, the event was really restricted this time around. I don't remember the black netting around the side of the car park, also the Hilltop just before you get to knickerbrook was fenced off, so you had no chance of going to the other end of the circuit even though there wasn't seemingly a reason to fence that off.
Thanks for processing info.

Also thanks for info on the event. I hadn't been to Oulton's stage rally before and after your initial post I had a look at your web site and saw your pictures and wondered how I'd missed the closer locations. It was only when I noticed they were from May 2021 that the penny dropped!:-O
 

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