madecov
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If Nikon does produce a Z8 body to match the D850 I'm pretty sure it would need to break the 60 megapixel barrier regardless of what other features they trickle down from the Z9
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mrjpack
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Absolutely, I bought a Z6 II because the series wasn’t mature enough to spend another $1000 on the 7. If you could give me the tracking and focus of the Z9 in the current Z7 body at 10-15 FPS I’d be astatic…
michaeladawson
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I would tend to agree. I'll try to avoid the Z7 III vs. Z8 debate. But I see no reason why a Z7/Z8 body couldn't simply be a 60 MP camera with various performance benefits inherited from the Z9 added.
Put too many megapixels into a Z7/Z8 and it would no longer need certain features from the Z9. For example, who needs 80 MP at 20 fps? If it becomes a landscape / studio camera does one need a zero blackout EVF?
As a sort of comprehensive D850 replacement in mirrorless I think people want a good, all-around, cheaper, smaller version of a Z9. I think if you go 80 MP you've entered a different world.
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karlreed
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But you seem to be for getting the D3 D700 trick.
I don't need more megapixels. But, I would like better AF and no mechanical shutter.
The D700 ws about 1/2 the price of the D3. The main thing ws that it used the D3 sensor, and made v high iso shooting realistic.
I don't need more megapixels. But, I would like better AF and no mechanical shutter.
The D700 ws about 1/2 the price of the D3. The main thing ws that it used the D3 sensor, and made v high iso shooting realistic.
michaeladawson
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I'm not going for the D3 / D700 trick at all. I said nothing about a mechanical shutter. I couldn't care less whether the Z7/Z8 has one or not. I said nothing about using the same stacked sensor.
They need to improve the AF in the Z7/Z8. The need to fix how the AF tracking works. They need to implement the face, eye, animal types of AF recognition. Again, I couldn't care less how Nikon accomplishes this, whether it uses the same hardware as the Z9 or they implement cheaper hardware which doesn't quite have the same specs of the Z9.
If they use the same basic sensor as in the Sony A7R IV, but improved with Nikon toppings and Expeed 7 to yield fast AF I'm fine with that. If they keep it at the current 45 MP I'm fine with that too (although I would bet it goes up some).
If the price of the camera goes up by $500 I'm fine with that too. But the one thing I'm not expecting is a Z9 sensor put into a non-gripped body like the D3/D700.
“But the one thing I'm not expecting is a Z9 sensor put into a non-gripped body like the D3/D700.”
The D700 sold about 5-6 times as much as the D3.
Why wouldn’t they want to sell a non-gripped body with the Z9 sensor + Expeed 7, if they can fit it in?
If they charge anything between $3000 and $5500 for it, and *completely* cannibalise Z9 sales they’d still make way more money.
And lots of cameras means lots of lenses...
The D700 sold about 5-6 times as much as the D3.
Why wouldn’t they want to sell a non-gripped body with the Z9 sensor + Expeed 7, if they can fit it in?
If they charge anything between $3000 and $5500 for it, and *completely* cannibalise Z9 sales they’d still make way more money.
And lots of cameras means lots of lenses...
karlreed
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When the D3 came out, I was shooting with a D200 and the 18-200mmVR and the 17-55mmf2.8.
'Got nice images, however, the iq was not good about 800ISO and, and the UI also clumsy.
When the D3 came out, my wife encouraged me to get it. But, the minimum useful package was A$10,000 body and 24-70mmf2,8.. I baulked
The arrival of the D700 changed that and i bought one-and the 24-20mmf2.8.
'Had more than A$4k in my pocket as a result, and the same IQ as the D3.
So, give me a Ziii with the same sensor and hw and much better AF, and, NEF's for multiple exposure and they'e problaby got me!
michaeladawson
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I don’t know. Go ask Sony and Canon why they don’t do this.
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I personally find the Z7II to be already significantly superior to the D850 I absolutely loved, but regardless, it seems certain that we will get a 80+ mp Z8 leveraging Z9 technologies some time mid-2022.
Totally possible, A7RIV already at 60MP, so maybe Nikon will just use the same sensor in the Z8. and maybe just keep the same speed as the Z7 II but have to improve the AF/tracking, I like everything about the Z7 II but the AF is really lacking behind the competitors, i's to even as good as the D850 in AF department that's why I just keep the 850 and wait for the Z9.
Just wait for the Z6iii. If it gets a price hike along the a7iv and the R6, at $2.5k it's still less than half the Z9.
It's likely to look like the Z6ii. How improved it will be on the outside we won't know. The other question is when.
Do they release 6 months later like they did with the D600 after the D4 and D750 after the D4s, or do they release it 12 months later when the Z6ii reaches the end of it's 2-year refresh cycle.
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WhateverNickname
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Do we miss anything from the z7 series sensor? No.
More pixels means bigger files, slower read out, worse noise and so on.
the z8 should be what the gfx100s is for gfx100.
More pixels means bigger files, slower read out, worse noise and so on.
the z8 should be what the gfx100s is for gfx100.
The only thing that will stand in the way of a successful Z8 camera like the D850 type scenario is battery life. Like the Z9, one thing that will help a Z8 save battery power is that it doesn't need to drive a mirror (as in a D850) and shutter up and down. I would suggest this mechanical action eats power. However, as it will possibly be a stacked high Mp sensor camera with high frame rates and a large throughput of data so as it can drive the Auto Focus, Artificial Intelligence and high Mp, it may require more battery power than the EN-EL15 can deliver. There is a call for lit up buttons as well. If they can get the camera to do all those things without needing a higher capacity battery, then we will probably get a Z8 type camera.
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What we miss from both the Z6 and Z7 series sensor is readout speed. The readout speed on these sensors is 1/22 sec and 1/16 sec, respectively. And that is too slow for quality continuous AF, reliable tracking, and blackout free bursts.
What we don't know is whether they will take the Z9 sensor down to lower level bodies, or develop a new sensor for those bodies that hits the 1/60 second mark for readout speed.
As I see it, the issue with a non-grip body is that there isn't room for the battery and CPU processors to run that Z9 sensor to full capacity.
rhlpetrus
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But the D850 doesn’t have the speed of the Dx line, so why would the Z8 need to match the speed of Z9? I see it as a resolution/base ISO flagship, as the D8xx line has been. One cannot have both in the same package, unless people ate happy with Z9, then it is it.
Of course, as tech advances, a later Z8 could match Ur-Z9, but then an updated Z9 would again be faster. The difference in res is bigger from D6 to D850 than, say, from Z9 to a 64MP Z8, but it would still be there. The Z7iii could be a lower speed Z9, same res.
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WhateverNickname
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I think that a more limited but similarly accurate AF would make a compelling case for a z8
i would not be surprised they would use the same sensor (economy of scale) but tone down some specs related to FPS and video and limit AF to less targets, while adding more to the z9 with firmware updates.
i would not be surprised they would use the same sensor (economy of scale) but tone down some specs related to FPS and video and limit AF to less targets, while adding more to the z9 with firmware updates.
primeshooter
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Really really do not need 60mp. This is what I am concerned about. Try panos at the moment with 45mp...my PC is extremely fast too.
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