Flying with film in Germany -- Hand inspection?

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Hi all -- I'm flying to Munich from the US and debating whether or not to bring a film camera (I really want to). Has anyone had recent experiences with getting security staff to hand-inspect film in carry-on luggage in Germany?

Thanks!

Aaron
 
Hi all -- I'm flying to Munich from the US and debating whether or not to bring a film camera (I really want to). Has anyone had recent experiences with getting security staff to hand-inspect film in carry-on luggage in Germany?

Thanks!

Aaron
I recently flew Manchester to Frankfurt to Newark and back. Film and camera went through machine screening at each location and had no impact on the images.

When I asked about hand inspection they said it would be fine in the machine. I never argue with airport security especially the TSA who I believe would cavity search first and ask questions later.
 
Hi all -- I'm flying to Munich from the US and debating whether or not to bring a film camera (I really want to). Has anyone had recent experiences with getting security staff to hand-inspect film in carry-on luggage in Germany?

Thanks!

Aaron
While not a german airport, I have recently talked to security at Copenhagen airport. They absolutely require that I bring a darkroom bag for them to use, if I want my films hand checked. It is either that or I have to put them through the scanner. I asked if they were going to open the 35mm canisters and put them back together again, but no answer came back.

I am travelling to Spain in a couple of weeks and I'll just put the films through the scanner.
 
I haven't flown with film for ages so I cant comment on current procedures, but I always bought film at the destination if at all possible. Also had it developed before the return flight. That way I risked at most one or possible two films.

It's of course not always possible, but reduce the risk when it is.
 
Hi all -- I'm flying to Munich from the US and debating whether or not to bring a film camera (I really want to). Has anyone had recent experiences with getting security staff to hand-inspect film in carry-on luggage in Germany?

Thanks!

Aaron
Calumet München has every film in stock. Write them an email to reserve whatever you need.
 
Hi all -- I'm flying to Munich from the US and debating whether or not to bring a film camera (I really want to). Has anyone had recent experiences with getting security staff to hand-inspect film in carry-on luggage in Germany?

Thanks!

Aaron
While not a german airport, I have recently talked to security at Copenhagen airport. They absolutely require that I bring a darkroom bag for them to use, if I want my films hand checked. It is either that or I have to put them through the scanner. I asked if they were going to open the 35mm canisters and put them back together again, but no answer came back.

I am travelling to Spain in a couple of weeks and I'll just put the films through the scanner.
Ulrik: Yes, I think they're just reserving the right to check your film down to the film level. I'll be interested to hear what ACTUALLY happens, when you get back.

Ulrik, Autonerd: I think what I'd do is buy one of those lead-lined protective film bags and put the cartridges in it. Then, they can scan it by machine all they want. They will likely see this big block that their machine can't see into and then insist upon hand-checking.

Buying film at the destination or having it developed prior to returning home is not how I want to spend my precious vacation time.

Here's the bag I have been thinking of , if I travel internationally with film. 81% 5-star reviews, and some kooks have even tested it!
 
I'm a stem cell courier (well not recently, but before the covid stuff) the stem cells can't be radiated so we have to get them checked by hand . It will probably add 10 mins to getting through security.

To be honest, the film will be fine through the scanner, I would not bother to ask for the hand check.
 
I don't know about Germany but the main issue for ordinary speed film is the type of scanner in use - the older type which is OK for ordinary speed film, or the newer CT (3D) type scanners which reports suggest are not OK.

At London Heathrow T5 last time I went through they seemed to be trialling the new type of scanner in one of the security lanes (which I was able to avoid), and presumably eventually they will become the most common type in use there and at other UK airports. Hopefully at that point the staff will be more familiar with the issues around the newer scanners for film.

Alan
 
r the newer CT (3D) type scanners which reports suggest are not OK.
Yes, that's the concern I have. I've been vacillating on this, but I'm leaning towards bringing a couple of rolls of film and rolling the dice. I know I can get it hand-inspected in Los Angeles, so worst-case it only takes one ride through the X-ray if my request in Munich is denied.

Aaron

PS THANKS ALL for the replies!
 
When I asked about hand inspection they said it would be fine in the machine. I never argue with airport security especially the TSA who I believe would cavity search first and ask questions later.
At the risk of hijacking my own thread...

So far I haven't had a problem with requesting hand-inspection at TSA. I usually travel with film <=400ASA, but as I understand it the effects are cumulative. The scanners may be safe for up to 800 ASA but three scans of a single roll of 400 ASA could fog the film.

If asked I suppose I could explain (briefly) and tell them the film has a few X-rays ahead of it, but so far I've had no problems with a polite request for hand-inspection. Worst case they keep me waiting a bit and I allow for that. I do have pre-check and that might make a difference, not sure.

Personally I'm not a big fan of TSA methodology but I always remember that the agent is just a person doing a job, like me!

And FWIW, Moggi, I once had my luggage trigger something and had to go for secondary screening. There's a bit more touching than one might be comfortable with (doesn't bother me, I'll take what I can get!). The agents were nice as can be. The guy walking over there told me what I imagine was his standard joke: He was escorting someone for secondary screening the day before, and the guy nervously asked, "Do I have to take my clothes off?" and the TSA told him "No, we do." :)

ANYWAY -- Thanks all for the input. I'll take a couple of rolls of Gold or Kentmere and will post a follow-up letting you know how I get on.

Aaron
 
r the newer CT (3D) type scanners which reports suggest are not OK.
Yes, that's the concern I have. I've been vacillating on this, but I'm leaning towards bringing a couple of rolls of film and rolling the dice. I know I can get it hand-inspected in Los Angeles, so worst-case it only takes one ride through the X-ray if my request in Munich is denied.

Aaron

PS THANKS ALL for the replies!
I get the Impression that if it goes through a CT scanner it’ll be ruined.

This document - https://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q12361.html - suggests that the X-Ray dose from standard hand baggage systems was around 0.04 millisievert for 36 passes (so 0.0011 millisievert per pass), whereas for checked baggage systems it was 1.56 millisievert I.e. 1400 times higher, and that the newer CT systems are expected to be similar to checked baggage systems.
 
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r the newer CT (3D) type scanners which reports suggest are not OK.
Yes, that's the concern I have. I've been vacillating on this, but I'm leaning towards bringing a couple of rolls of film and rolling the dice. I know I can get it hand-inspected in Los Angeles, so worst-case it only takes one ride through the X-ray if my request in Munich is denied.

Aaron

PS THANKS ALL for the replies!
I get the Impression that if it goes through a CT scanner it’ll be ruined.

This document - https://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q12361.html - suggests that the X-Ray dose from standard hand baggage systems was around 0.04 millisievert for 36 passes (so 0.0011 millisievert per pass), whereas for checked baggage systems it was 1.56 millisievert I.e. 1400 times higher, and that the newer CT systems are expected to be similar to checked baggage systems.
In the last reply from Copenhagen Airport security, the guy writing me had been told that if the films could handle the flight in the cabin in my hand luggage, it would be fine going through the security scanner, because the background radiation is much higher in the cabin than what is used in the scanner. Now, I am certainly not a radiation expert, but I had my doubts regarding that statement. I asked one my former teachers, who is a physicist and he said that it is the other way around.

Anyway, if they won't hand check my films, I am just going to run them through the scanner. At least, for future travels, I will find out if anything happens. And I expect sunny weather in Spain, so it'll mostly be iso 100 films :)
 
r the newer CT (3D) type scanners which reports suggest are not OK.
Yes, that's the concern I have. I've been vacillating on this, but I'm leaning towards bringing a couple of rolls of film and rolling the dice. I know I can get it hand-inspected in Los Angeles, so worst-case it only takes one ride through the X-ray if my request in Munich is denied.

Aaron

PS THANKS ALL for the replies!
I get the Impression that if it goes through a CT scanner it’ll be ruined.

This document - https://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q12361.html - suggests that the X-Ray dose from standard hand baggage systems was around 0.04 millisievert for 36 passes (so 0.0011 millisievert per pass), whereas for checked baggage systems it was 1.56 millisievert I.e. 1400 times higher, and that the newer CT systems are expected to be similar to checked baggage systems.
In the last reply from Copenhagen Airport security, the guy writing me had been told that if the films could handle the flight in the cabin in my hand luggage, it would be fine going through the security scanner, because the background radiation is much higher in the cabin than what is used in the scanner. Now, I am certainly not a radiation expert, but I had my doubts regarding that statement. I asked one my former teachers, who is a physicist and he said that it is the other way around.
There might be a grain of truth to what they are saying - according to https://theconversation.com/air-tra...tion-how-much-health-risk-comes-with-it-78790 the dose from flying on a commercial airliner at 35,000ft is 0.003 millisievert/hour, so it would appear that on a one hour flight you’d get 3 times as much dose as the film would get from the X-Ray machine.

But the dose from the x-ray machine will be (relatively ) low energy photons, whereas the dose in an aeroplane will be a mix of x-rays, protons, alpha particles pions, muons , electrons, neutrinos and neutrons ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray#Secondary_cosmic_rays ) some of which will interact with film, and some won’t.



So although the background in the air may be higher than the scanner it’s not directly comparable as they are different types if radiation (the alpha radiation for example wouldn’t get through a 35mm film canister).
Anyway, if they won't hand check my films, I am just going to run them through the scanner. At least, for future travels, I will find out if anything happens. And I expect sunny weather in Spain, so it'll mostly be iso 100 films :)
The last time I flew I carried a five pack of ProImage there and back as hand luggage with no problems. I put it in a thin mesh bag on one of the trays so the X-ray machine could see it clearly and minimise the need for rescans. But that wasn’t for the new CT machines which are a much higher dose.
 
Ulrik, Autonerd: I think what I'd do is buy one of those lead-lined protective film bags and put the cartridges in it. Then, they can scan it by machine all they want. They will likely see this big block that their machine can't see into and then insist upon hand-checking.

Buying film at the destination or having it developed prior to returning home is not how I want to spend my precious vacation time.

Here's the bag I have been thinking of , if I travel internationally with film. 81% 5-star reviews, and some kooks have even tested it!
Back when flying with film was a common thing to do, there was a theory that those would cause the machine operator to be suspicious. They'd just see a big black space, so they'd turn up the X-Ray power until they could see it, probably frying the film.

I never had a problem with X-Rays back then, but I only took a small supply of film, and bought more as I went along. In those days 1 hour places were easy to find, so I could get stuff processed before it had to come back. (And I got to see the fruits of my labours the same day.)

I wouldn't expect to do that these days.

The one time I did ask for hand inspect the guy just insisted on it going through the machine anyway.
 
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I can't remember, it was a long time ago. It's most likely SFO, but possibly LHR, or CDG.

(Or SAN, MCO, BUR, or JFK.)
Hah! You too, eh? (Hmm, LHR, CDG and MCO... my guess would be you're an American Airlines flyer, but SFO is a puzzle. I stopped flying AA when they pulled out of BUR. Now they're back, but I'm not back with them.)

Aaron
 
I can't remember, it was a long time ago. It's most likely SFO, but possibly LHR, or CDG.

(Or SAN, MCO, BUR, or JFK.)
Hah! You too, eh? (Hmm, LHR, CDG and MCO... my guess would be you're an American Airlines flyer, but SFO is a puzzle. I stopped flying AA when they pulled out of BUR. Now they're back, but I'm not back with them.)
In those days it tended to be United, until I got totally p***ed off at them. BUR would be Southwest.
 
Calumet München has every film in stock. Write them an email to reserve whatever you need.
Sorry Per, I forgot to reply -- thanks for this. I am 99% sure I can get the film hand-inspected in the USA; it's the exposed film I don't know about! (But others' experience is encouraging.)

BTW I decided to travel with a couple of cheapie rolls of Fomapan 200 and a roll of Gold 200 -- as well as my digital camera. For film, I'm bringing my Nikon FG with a 28 and a 50.

Aaron
 

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