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Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening. I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less. Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the 2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
 
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...
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I think, all that matters is what YOU like.

But since you asked... I use Parameter 2 and will be experimenting with Adobe RGB (which renders all other settings obsolete, if I'm correct). I find that Parameter 1 is too much for any further post processing. Not every photo needs the same amount (if any) of sharpening for example...

Matthieu
 
From what I've read, the "parameter 2" on the 300D is the same as the standard parameters on the 10D. Parameter 1 on the 300D is like +2 sharpening, +1 contrast, +1 saturation on the 10D. Personally I like the added saturation and contrast, but not the sharpening. Luckily, there are custom parameters, so you can set it up exactly how you like it :-)

Dawn
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
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Dawn
http://www.playapixie.org
 
Can you just edit the existing Parameter 1 and save it or do you need to build one, from scratch and save it to a different location?

I, as well, like everything about Parameter 1, except the harsh sharpness.

Scott
Playapixie said:
Dawn
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
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Dawn
http://www.playapixie.org
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voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...
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I have been using param 2 with good success. Rarely sharpen. Color is great. My only post-processing tends to be adjusting levels.
 
There seems to be two opposite opinions on this forum. Those who claim that all DSLRs need some post processing, and others, like the posters in this thread, who claim they get great out of camera shots and rarely post process. Do all the ones in the other group I mentioned just have bad cameras and don't know it?
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
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Daniel
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Are the people who find their Parameter 1 shots too sharp referring to an equivalent of a photo with USM applied? I have found my wide angle photos 'soft' and macro ones reasonably sharp but still no where near USM'd sharpness.
DannyV said:
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
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Daniel
http://www.pbase.com/dvogel11
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There's only 4 settings to make in a set of parameters. It'll take you about 60 seconds, plus or minus 15 seconds or so to do it.
voorheez said:
I, as well, like everything about Parameter 1, except the harsh
sharpness.

Scott
Playapixie said:
Dawn
voorheez said:
Well, after a day of shooting...I've found that the sharpening on
Parameter1 seems to be a bit more harsh than I would like. Not so
much, out of the camera, but when I apply my usual PS sharpening.
I've seen that if you use Parameter 2, the sharpening is much less.
Which does you guys like and are there any other pros to using the
2nd setting?...

Thanks!

Scott
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Dawn
http://www.playapixie.org
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That is where I found the sharpening to be too aggressive in Parameter 1. Everything else seemed to be fine, after I applied my usual pass. That's really what brought this thread up. That's why I was considering P2.

Scott

P.S. I LOVE the DR! :)
 
DannyV said:
There seems to be two opposite opinions on this forum. Those who
claim that all DSLRs need some post processing, and others, like
the posters in this thread, who claim they get great out of camera
shots and rarely post process. Do all the ones in the other group I
mentioned just have bad cameras and don't know it?
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LOL. I rarely post-process, not because my pics are perfect, but because I'm lazy!
 
The cleanest solution is: RAW, Parameter 2.
Pros would call this the "negative" in the digital world.

If you want to add any artefacts to your pictures, you can do so later on the computer. For viewing pictures on the screen, you definitively should "improve" pictures with postprocessing. For prints, I'm not so sure.

--Jens--
 
I'm confused....why don't you do what I did...leave the Par 1 setting as is...except turn down the sharpening...and save as a custom setting?

You have lots of choices...not just 1&2!!
voorheez said:
That is where I found the sharpening to be too aggressive in
Parameter 1. Everything else seemed to be fine, after I applied my
usual pass. That's really what brought this thread up. That's why
I was considering P2.

Scott

P.S. I LOVE the DR! :)
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Here's a relevant quote from Phil's review:

"It's probably worth noting that EOS 300D images appear to respond very well to 'unsharp mask' post-processing, thus if you post-process all of your images you would probably be better off using a sharpness setting of -2 or -1 (post-process sharpening is almost always better than in-camera)."

I use a custom setting of Contrast +1, Saturation +1, Shapness 0, and then I post-process with USM. I should try Phil's suggestion of even lower in-camera sharpness settings. I think the issue is that the in-camera sharpness processing is not as good (as subtle, as flexible) as USM and other post-processing methods.

Bob
 
Extremely oversaturated. When you are used to have natural colors with parameter 2, then it takes some months but you will hate paramter 1.
I bet.
 
Maybe I am a bad post-processor but I am imho not so sure about this. I spent a lot of time with longer than a year. I lived in Photoshop to find out that this all is not necessary. Better go out shooting.

Just my personal opinion, not very popular.

Parameter 2 and nothing else - my way.
 
Good point! I've compared USM sharpening before vs. after resizing, and sharpening after resizing is better. Sharpening in-camera is effectively sharpening before resizing.

Bob
Jean-Luc Coulon said:
If you do postprocessing, the sharpening should be the very last
step in the process. So, in this case it is better to choose
parameters with sharpening set to 0.
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Jean-Luc
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