P40 Pro versus MFT or APS-C

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I have a question maybe some of you can help me with. I have an Olympus micro-four-thirds camera, and a Huawei P30 (not the Pro). The image quality of the P30 is much much worse compared to the Olympus, especially indoors. While the Olympus still works fine at ISO-800, the Huawei produces a smeared mess. No detail, just garbage.

Now I would like to replace them both with a P40 Pro, because if I have to believe the reviews the P40 Pro produces excellent quality images. Maybe not quite as good as an MFT- or APS-C-camera, but the differences are not that big anymore. That's what I read.

However when I compare the specs of the P30 and the P30 Pro the main cameras are not that different. F1.6 instead of F1.9, but same sensor and same JPG-engine. And indeed when I go to http://gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3 I see little difference in image quality between the two. Same with P40 Pro: looks about the same image quality. Still my P30 produces a smeared mess.

So if my P30 is so bad, is the P40 Pro really that much better that it is nearing MFT or APS-C image quality?

Second question: the P30 has an incredible lag between pressing the shutter and taking an image. It depends on the situation, sometimes it is quick but it can lag up to a second. This lag is not mentioned in any review, nowhere, apparently these reviewers don't care about lag. But I do. Does the P40 Pro have the same lag?
 
All phones will be a "smeary mess" at "high" ISO.
Their objective is to get a bright image that you can see, that's why every phone today have "Night Mode". If you want low light with low ISO and noise you'll have to force long exposures with a tripod.

I think that's one use case where phones still can't beat ILS with big sensors.
 
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Sorry to sound rude but P30 Pro is complete garbage when it comes to image quality. I know that by heart because I had one. You have absolute zero control on how JPGs look and RAWs are just awful and made of single frame.

Google Camera with its HDR+ Enhanced can easily match even APS-C if paired with quality sensor. Using multiframe stacking also helps to remedy the high iso problem (see example below, in terms of noise my APS-C camera with F2.8 lens did considerably worse).

Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra in daylight
Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra in daylight

"smeary mess"
"smeary mess"
 
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Sorry to sound rude but P30 Pro is complete garbage when it comes to image quality. I know that by heart because I had one. You have absolute zero control on how JPGs look and RAWs are just awful and made of single frame.

Google Camera with its HDR+ Enhanced can easily match even APS-C if paired with quality sensor. Using multiframe stacking also helps to remedy the high iso problem (see example below, in terms of noise my APS-C camera with F2.8 lens did considerably worse).
I as a bit worried that that was the case. Your photo at daylight looks very detailed, white balance looks good, no blown out sky, I could ditch my Olympus for that. But the nighttime photo indeed is a mess.

So I will not bother and stick with the Olympus for now. Pity...
 
I have a question maybe some of you can help me with. I have an Olympus micro-four-thirds camera, and a Huawei P30 (not the Pro). The image quality of the P30 is much much worse compared to the Olympus, especially indoors. While the Olympus still works fine at ISO-800, the Huawei produces a smeared mess. No detail, just garbage.

Now I would like to replace them both with a P40 Pro, because if I have to believe the reviews the P40 Pro produces excellent quality images. Maybe not quite as good as an MFT- or APS-C-camera, but the differences are not that big anymore. That's what I read.

However when I compare the specs of the P30 and the P30 Pro the main cameras are not that different. F1.6 instead of F1.9, but same sensor and same JPG-engine. And indeed when I go to http://gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3 I see little difference in image quality between the two. Same with P40 Pro: looks about the same image quality. Still my P30 produces a smeared mess.

So if my P30 is so bad, is the P40 Pro really that much better that it is nearing MFT or APS-C image quality?

Second question: the P30 has an incredible lag between pressing the shutter and taking an image. It depends on the situation, sometimes it is quick but it can lag up to a second. This lag is not mentioned in any review, nowhere, apparently these reviewers don't care about lag. But I do. Does the P40 Pro have the same lag?
Overall i think P40 / Mate it's the best phone You can buy right now, and all magic is out of the box - no GCAM, no rooting etc. Just taking amazing photos out of the box. There is no shutter lag in 12 megapixel mode, but sometimes it shows warning about holding phone and no shake.

You can check my samples in this places and there also is comparasion to RX0 and MI 11 Ultra

P40 PRO vs Mi11 Ultra vs RX0 1 inch camera:


and samples




Best results are available in 50 MPIX AI mode, but it needs about 5-6 seconds to process photo. Taking photo is about 2-3 seconds.

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Don't let Jostian hear you!

But of course, of course that if you combine multiple shots you can get something nice with less noise, of course!
 
Most of the time I skipped the 50mp ai mode, it takes some seconds, pixel level detail in low contrast areas is often worse than default 12mp mode and dynamic range is greatly reduced compared to 12mp.

However, the out of the box 12 mp photos are quite nice, sometimes a bit hdr like processed but if that's a look you may aim for that's fine. Only the raw files are currently useless, single frame, artifacts and colors are completely off. Still no fix from Adobe or any good software I'm aware of that can handle the dng files.

Still a nice photo tool if you don't need any Google apps or services.
 
Most of the time I skipped the 50mp ai mode, it takes some seconds, pixel level detail in low contrast areas is often worse than default 12mp mode and dynamic range is greatly reduced compared to 12mp.

However, the out of the box 12 mp photos are quite nice, sometimes a bit hdr like processed but if that's a look you may aim for that's fine. Only the raw files are currently useless, single frame, artifacts and colors are completely off. Still no fix from Adobe or any good software I'm aware of that can handle the dng files.

Still a nice photo tool if you don't need any Google apps or services.
ON1 handles DNGs from M/P40 quite well - but you have to know how to do the work with QB sensor. (micro/low/mid/high dynamic contrast). This cannot be done with LR or Silkypix or DXO - even Photoshop must be mastered far beyond the routines most people use.

Me personally - whenever possible/or useful- use the 50MPAI mode (M40P). Shooting non-moving scene doesn´t require fragments of second. Agree - low contrast is "sometimes" worse then 12MP, and beyond 1000 ISO will give very little if anything. Howevever you have tons of detail to work with - so if you prepare the shot for something worthwhile (big prints/ev. exhibition ...I hope nobody shares 50MPx files with friends just to impress and freeze his phone) there are plenty of options how to eliminate this. And even pure downsampling to 16MPix brings unmatched clarity and microcontrast. One must just not forget that 50MPAI is kind of semiraw (not in nature but in freedom for postprocessing) - which benefits mostly of cleaning the QB artifacts and extracting insane level of detail. That is probably the reason why POST in-phone takes such a long time.
 
The P40 Raws come out really strange like coloured snakes, so really JPEG is the only option, it does offer very heavy noise reduction. Its very much like the Olympus XZ1 Jpegs which i have, image quality wise.

I really like the P40 pro i had the P10 before and its a massive improvment.
 

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