Buy EP7, get 75mm F1.8 prime free (olympus France)

Rmark · Aug 17, 2021

I’d certainly like the “free” 75 mm, and would probably find some uses for it. But it’s sort of a niche lens, could never justify buying one for limited uses.

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

jwilliams said:
I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

Yes, I can see that. It's a pricey lens relatively speaking. The only way I can see it is if they figure it out as part of a strategy for people to buy more lenses somehow. But yeah, seems odd.

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victorav · Aug 17, 2021

jwilliams said:
I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

jwilliams said:
Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

jwilliams · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

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Yes, I can see that. It's a pricey lens relatively speaking. The only way I can see it is if they figure it out as part of a strategy for people to buy more lenses somehow. But yeah, seems odd.

Maybe they inherited a huge supply of 75s from Oly. I have one of these and while it is optically very good, I never use it. Maybe there's a reason everyone else makes a 85/135 pairing for portrait work. I've never warmed up to the 150 equiv. FL personally. I'm planning on selling mine. In the US it's easy to find used pristine copies for sale at good prices. I think lots of people bought these initially to only discover that while technically it is a superb lens, it's not a generally useful FL.

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Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

victorav said:
jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

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I mean as suggested buy others, it might be because they can't sell it fast enough. It's an odd focal length for a crop sensor and difficult to use. I do not think it was ever a popular lens. You also probably don't want to sit on product for too long.

That's what can cause some level of desperation. Why do it now and with the EP7 with a lens of that value? I am not saying it is desperation but I can't fault the consideration of that either.

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Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

jwilliams said:
Raist3d said:

jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

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Yes, I can see that. It's a pricey lens relatively speaking. The only way I can see it is if they figure it out as part of a strategy for people to buy more lenses somehow. But yeah, seems odd.

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Maybe they inherited a huge supply of 75s from Oly. I have one of these and while it is optically very good, I never use it.

I sure use it occasionally for some of my street work- just speaking for myself.

jwilliams said:
Maybe there's a reason everyone else makes a 85/135 pairing for portrait work.

The perspective compression can do better for the face and isolation. Plus the bokeh.

jwilliams said:
I've never warmed up to the 150 equiv. FL personally. I'm planning on selling mine. In the US it's easy to find used pristine copies for sale at good prices. I think lots of people bought these initially to only discover that while technically it is a superb lens, it's not a generally useful FL.

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jwilliams · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
jwilliams said:

Raist3d said:

jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

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Yes, I can see that. It's a pricey lens relatively speaking. The only way I can see it is if they figure it out as part of a strategy for people to buy more lenses somehow. But yeah, seems odd.

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Maybe they inherited a huge supply of 75s from Oly. I have one of these and while it is optically very good, I never use it.

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I sure use it occasionally for some of my street work.

I got a Sigma 60 2.8 which I find I like more. Better FL for me. Slower but the optical quality is every bit as good as the 75. Just a personal perspective thing. I've also found I'd rather just use a 70-200 equiv. zoom for anything much over 100mm. Again just me and my style of shooting.

The Sigma is a fraction of the cost of the 75. Less DOF control but for me I have FF cameras when that is a concern. I really think the Sigma 60 is one of the best buys in all of m43. Superb IQ, small size, realtively fast and very attractive price.

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Member said:

Maybe there's a reason everyone else makes a 85/135 pairing for portrait work. I've never warmed up to the 150 equiv. FL personally. I'm planning on selling mine. In the US it's easy to find used pristine copies for sale at good prices. I think lots of people bought these initially to only discover that while technically it is a superb lens, it's not a generally useful FL.

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Harold66 · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
The examples are there, and they sure look like good portraits to me.

I will check and again , not saying it can never be used for portraits but describing this lens as a portrait lens is a HUGE stretch

Member said:
That doesn't mean this is *the* portrait lens. From what I see you don't use this for your focal length for portraits, but that doesn't mean it's not one.

well tell you a very simple way to verify that this is not a portrait lens

Look at the other brands of ILC and tell me how many prime lenses you see out there with a focal length of 150mm . Go ahead, I ll wait ;-)

even the popular focal length of 135mm very popular , at least with hobbyists , in the film days has pretty much disappeared as well

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Also my first teacher of photography is a fine arts photographer with years and years of experience in commercial photography so I have to weight that in.

maybe this is the problem . things change overtimes

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So what I read from this is that for the portraits you do, this isn't the lens for you.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean the 75mm is not a portrait lens for a subset of Portrait photography.

No , don t try me to make me a single case in this instance

for most people portrait lens means somewhere between 75mm and 90mm for their main portrait lens

and maybe somewhere between 100mm and 120mm for their second portrait focal length

Harold

victorav · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
victorav said:

jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

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I mean as suggested buy others, it might be because they can't sell it fast enough. It's an odd focal length for a crop sensor and difficult to use. I do not think it was ever a popular lens. You also probably don't want to sit on product for too long.

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That's what can cause some level of desperation. Why do it now and with the EP7 with a lens of that value? I am not saying it is desperation but I can't fault the consideration of that either.

I have no idea, maybe because it's the newest camera released? Any one looking at the camera would see the deal probably.

If their goal is to get rid of the lens fast, probably makes sense to pair it with the camera they are promoting currently.

All I'm saying is, it doesn't seem all that odd, given the lens. Remember, the cameras division is not owned by olympus anymore. So if they don't have money to burn on holding stock that isn't moving.

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Harold66 · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
Member said:

Ha

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Yes, yes really. That's what my photography teacher taught me about back then with examples. You can also see portrait examples at Olympus OMDS UK's site- they have some nice examples.

Can you put a year or a decade behind the "back then"

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Member said:

Member said:

It is indeed a portrait lens but on the more pro use side of shooting portraits for models, outside, etc.

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That’s downright ridiculous. My main job is to shoot models . And even outdoors shooting the model full length with decors around this , the focal length is TOO tight

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Ok then, if that's your main job, I will have to take your word for it for what you do, but certainly there's different kind of portraits.

I was pleasantly surprised by the measure tone of your answer but by the time I sat to answer it , you had already followed up with a more questionable post :-D

Member said:
I'll keep your experience in mind, something for sure to consider. Do you have any example of your work to put more weight to it? I am talking specifically on portraits (see you have a website, didn't readily find portraits but I am sure you must have them given the work I see).

Ok what is your definition of portraits but if you look behind my signature , you ll see my instagram account for ledaylight studio where I post images of models several times a week

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Thanks again.

Update: By the way I looked around some more. I see a lot of environment portraits,

I had to laugh at this one . Don't worry there is nothing wrong with what you wrote . It is just that this word of "environment portraits " which is one of the meaningless bs word created by the people who speak about pictures instead of making then , to name what is simply a composition which integrate some context around the main subject

Member said:
but not the kind of portrait I was expecting that the 75mm is a match for. But again, I could easily be missing some work.

I am sure the 75mm can be a decent match for head and shoulders portraits . But the problem is that it is a tad too long for 90% of users and that now there are better alternatives for tight portraits ... like the Sigma 56mm for example

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A side comment though- I love what you say about getting daylight light. My favorite kind of light Kudos for pursuing that.

I have not shot with a flash or any articficial lighting for at least 25 years . My studio rental does not even have this option

Harold

Harold66 · Aug 17, 2021

jwilliams said:
I got a Sigma 60 2.8 which I find I like more. Better FL for me. Slower but the optical quality is every bit as good as the 75. Just a personal perspective thing. I've also found I'd rather just use a 70-200 equiv. zoom for anything much over 100mm. Again just me and my style of shooting.

The Sigma is a fraction of the cost of the 75.

a good option too but for tight portraits the sigma 1.4 /56mm is clearly a better buy

Harold

Interceptor121 · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
The examples are there, and they sure look like good portraits to me.

That doesn't mean this is *the* portrait lens. From what I see you don't use this for your focal length for portraits, but that doesn't mean it's not one.

Also my first teacher of photography is a fine arts photographer with years and years of experience in commercial photography so I have to weight that in. So what I read from this is that for the portraits you do, this isn't the lens for you.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean the 75mm is not a portrait lens for a subset of Portrait photography.

Harold66 · Aug 17, 2021

Interceptor121 said:
Raist3d said:

The examples are there, and they sure look like good portraits to me.

That doesn't mean this is *the* portrait lens. From what I see you don't use this for your focal length for portraits, but that doesn't mean it's not one.

Also my first teacher of photography is a fine arts photographer with years and years of experience in commercial photography so I have to weight that in. So what I read from this is that for the portraits you do, this isn't the lens for you.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean the 75mm is not a portrait lens for a subset of Portrait photography.

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You can shoot a portrait with any lens you like

sure can .

Interceptor121 said:
the 75mm is a very long lens for indoor use unless you are at a concert or similar

My point exactly

Interceptor121 said:
if you do have the space this specific lens is also very performing and not bulky

having said that as go to portrait I use my nocticron and if I need something more compact a sigma 56mm

same here , so no argument here

Interceptor121 said:
i used the 75mm in a video project very nice to shoot details got it second hand and doesn’t get a lot of use but am keeping it despite the very narrow use case

just read above and again we are in agreement here .

so ?

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

Looks like you are much more interested in “being right” than exploring the subject and correcting mischaracterizations That’s ok

ill take what I can learn from your reply and discard the rest

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

Harold66 said:
Raist3d said:

The examples are there, and they sure look like good portraits to me.

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I will check and again , not saying it can never be used for portraits but describing this lens as a portrait lens is a HUGE stretch

i think it fits the bill I think it’s a good portrait lens I am not saying it is “the” portrait lens

Harold66 said:
Harold66 said:

That doesn't mean this is *the* portrait lens. From what I see you don't use this for your focal length for portraits, but that doesn't mean it's not one.

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well tell you a very simple way to verify that this is not a portrait lens

Look at the other brands of ILC and tell me how many prime lenses you see out there with a focal length of 150mm . Go ahead, I ll wait ;-)

hmm 135mm? That sure is pretty close

Harold66 said:
even the popular focal length of 135mm very popular , at least with hobbyists , in the film days has pretty much disappeared as well

well Fuji has it I’ll check others later

uodate: Sony also has a GM master e lint one

Canon has one but not in their new Mount (yet?) same with Nikon

sigma and other 3rd parties have several

Harold66 said:
Harold66 said:

Also my first teacher of photography is a fine arts photographer with years and years of experience in commercial photography so I have to weight that in.

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maybe this is the problem . things change overtimes

maybe I don’t think that invalidates the lens as a portrait lens as much as “nowadays that’s not as much in use for portraits”

Harold66 said:
Harold66 said:

So what I read from this is that for the portraits you do, this isn't the lens for you.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean the 75mm is not a portrait lens for a subset of Portrait photography.

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No , don t try me to make me a single case in this instance

Well I am open ears to see the evidence

Harold66 said:
for most people portrait lens means somewhere between 75mm and 90mm for their main portrait lens

and maybe somewhere between 100mm and 120mm for their second portrait focal length

indont think that’s mutually exclusive to this lens being also and not exclusively a portrait lens

Harold66 said:
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Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

Interceptor121 said:
Raist3d said:

The examples are there, and they sure look like good portraits to me.

That doesn't mean this is *the* portrait lens. From what I see you don't use this for your focal length for portraits, but that doesn't mean it's not one.

Also my first teacher of photography is a fine arts photographer with years and years of experience in commercial photography so I have to weight that in. So what I read from this is that for the portraits you do, this isn't the lens for you.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean the 75mm is not a portrait lens for a subset of Portrait photography.

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You can shoot a portrait with any lens you like

the 75mm is a very long lens for indoor use unless you are at a concert or similar

certainly but I don’t think I side is the only place to take portraits I mean it all depends

Interceptor121 said:
if you do have the space this specific lens is also very performing and not bulky

having said that as go to portrait I use my nocticron and if I need something more compact a sigma 56mm

i used the 75mm in a video project very nice to shoot details got it second hand and doesn’t get a lot of use but am keeping it despite the very narrow use case

i posted some outdoor portraits here time ago full body when you have space it works well

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

victorav said:
Raist3d said:

victorav said:

jwilliams said:

I think I smell desperation. I don't see anyone else giving away a lens that is equal in value to the camera they are bundling it with. Nobody. No other deal out there is even close to that. One has to ask why is such a desperate move needed?

Certainly a good deal for the buyer, but this is so far out of the norm it makes me wonder why OMDS felt the need to do this.

Click to expand...

I mean as suggested buy others, it might be because they can't sell it fast enough. It's an odd focal length for a crop sensor and difficult to use. I do not think it was ever a popular lens. You also probably don't want to sit on product for too long.

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That's what can cause some level of desperation. Why do it now and with the EP7 with a lens of that value? I am not saying it is desperation but I can't fault the consideration of that either.

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I have no idea, maybe because it's the newest camera released? Any one looking at the camera would see the deal probably.

If their goal is to get rid of the lens fast, probably makes sense to pair it with the camera they are promoting currently.

All I'm saying is, it doesn't seem all that odd, given the lens. Remember, the cameras division is not owned by olympus anymore. So if they don't have money to burn on holding stock that isn't moving.

thays fine but I don’t think it’s far fetched to consider the other possibility either

Harold66 · Aug 17, 2021

Raist3d said:
Looks like you are much more interested in “being right” than exploring the subject and correcting mischaracterizations That’s ok

Really ? YOU are lecturing me about " being right". that s hilarious in a way or pathetic .

can you enlighten us about what mischaracterisations you are supposedly defending ?

Harold

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

Harold66 said:
Raist3d said:

Looks like you are much more interested in “being right” than exploring the subject and correcting mischaracterizations That’s ok

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Really ? YOU are lecturing me about " being right". that s hilarious in a way or pathetic .

can you enlighten us about what mischaracterisations you are supposedly defending ?

No - I was referring the ones you may be seeing but don’t worry about it

I guess you kind of proved the point - no point wasting your or my time

Harold66 said:
Harold

Raist3d · Aug 17, 2021

Petapixel discusses and compares several portrait lenses focal lengths

remember oly 75mm would be 150mm equivalent in FF

here they discuss 135mm (which is available today from several brands in current form) and even 200mm

you may want to read them comments as some other photographers do point out they find 135-200 more flattering for portraits (to their taste) as it has less distortion

exactly what I was told before by a couple of pro photographers

Portrait Lens Shootout: 85mm vs. 105mm vs. 135mm vs. 200mm

Here's a 5-minute video showing a portrait lens shootout I recently did at 85mm f/1.4, 105mm f/1.4, 135mm f/1.8, and 200mm f/2.8. If you are looking for a

petapixel.com

In any case I love the ply 75mm for some street work and not just portraits and it’s a great built lens it’s the lens that keeps me in m43 due to the size at this focal length

Buy EP7, get 75mm F1.8 prime free (olympus France)

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