Volleyball Lens

tdbmd said:

I would use the 70-200 f2.8. Will be excellent on the R5. Rarely a bad choice for indoor sports. You can always switch to crop mode if you need a bit more reach at some point. As far as settings for indoor sports, I usually go manual with auto ISO, SS at 1/1000 or so and f2.8

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tdbmd said:

I would use the 70-200 f2.8. Will be excellent on the R5. Rarely a bad choice for indoor sports. You can always switch to crop mode if you need a bit more reach at some point. As far as settings for indoor sports, I usually go manual with auto ISO, SS at 1/1000 or so and f2.8

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Karl_Guttag said:

tdbmd said:

I would use the 70-200 f2.8. Will be excellent on the R5. Rarely a bad choice for indoor sports. You can always switch to crop mode if you need a bit more reach at some point. As far as settings for indoor sports, I usually go manual with auto ISO, SS at 1/1000 or so and f2.8

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I strongly agree with the above. The 70-200f2.8 is a good pick for most indoor sports. Depending on how close you can get, it might be a little long for plays on the near sidelines. A zoom really helps as the action will move from near to far.

With the R5, the auto-iso and 1/1000th at f2.8 is a great starting point. You might be able to go a little slower with volleyball (worth experimenting) or faster if you really want to freeze action. Don't be afraid to high-speed burst shots and pick later. But note, with the high-speed burst mode at 30 frames per second (which is will allow you to capture the exact moment of impact to the ball) you are going to take a LOT of pictures with each press of the shutter.

Gyms vary a lot (more than 2x in lighting and are often non-uniform). I would expect at f2.8 and 1/1000th the Auto-ISO to be around IS0 3200 (plus or minus at least one stop, ie. ISO1600 to ISO 6,400 (YMMV based on the gym's lighting).

I would invest in DXO RAW or PL4 as it is the best software for reducing noise. I would not be afraid to go to ISO 12,800 or more with the R5 and DXO RAW/PL4.

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cpharm86 said:

Thank you for your input. I’ll give these settings a try and see what modifications I need to make. I’ll see what ISO I end up with and if the noise is acceptable.

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cpharm86 said:

This is the list of lenses that the continuous shooting speed of max. approx. 20 fps is less likely to decrease (as of July 2020).

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amas2 said:

How do you switch the R5 to 30 fps?

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cpharm86 said:

tdbmd said:

I would use the 70-200 f2.8. Will be excellent on the R5. Rarely a bad choice for indoor sports. You can always switch to crop mode if you need a bit more reach at some point. As far as settings for indoor sports, I usually go manual with auto ISO, SS at 1/1000 or so and f2.8

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The 70-200 is what I was leaning towards. Thank you for the advise on the shutter speed and aperture.

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Karl_Guttag said:

cpharm86 said:

Thank you for your input. I’ll give these settings a try and see what modifications I need to make. I’ll see what ISO I end up with and if the noise is acceptable.

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First, my brain skipped on the peak burst rate on the R5 is "only" 20/second and ONLY with RF lenses and "some" EF lenses.

According to Canon, the EF 70-200 ii&iii are limited to 12/second, but strangely the older EF70-200f2.8 mk.1 shows as going to 20/sec. See also https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART177344 . Note they have a bizarre statement:

Karl_Guttag said:

Karl_Guttag said:

This is the list of lenses that the continuous shooting speed of max. approx. 20 fps is less likely to decrease (as of July 2020).

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Sounds like some lenses may be kicked-of the 20/second list.

Also important if you use electronic shutter,

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Karl_Guttag said:

you might find flicker issues with the lights. Gyms go for cheap but bright lights. You will want to test. You may want to use the anti-flicker option. https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART178312 or shoot with non-electronic shutter. Flicker, if there is any, will show up as horizontal banding. Take a picture of something white filling the frame. Anti-flicker in electronic shutter will try and sync the camera with the flicker and will slow down the burst rate.

Also, colors often suck with gym lights so be sure to shoot in RAW/cRAW both for better noise correction and the ability to fix the color. If you have one, take a gray card.

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Karl_Guttag said:

cpharm86 said:

tdbmd said:

I would use the 70-200 f2.8. Will be excellent on the R5. Rarely a bad choice for indoor sports. You can always switch to crop mode if you need a bit more reach at some point. As far as settings for indoor sports, I usually go manual with auto ISO, SS at 1/1000 or so and f2.8

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The 70-200 is what I was leaning towards. Thank you for the advise on the shutter speed and aperture.

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FYI, some info and shots with shutter speeds given with the photos on Fred Miranda. They are consistent with the adviCe above:

General Volleyball: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1658344/0

Volleyball with R5: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1699992

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cpharm86 said:

This will be the first time I will be shooting at my granddaughters volleyball tournament indoors at a high school court. Any suggestion on lens? I have several lenses to choose from.

EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 24-70 2.8L, RF 100-500 f4-7.1, a couple of fast primes. RF 50mm 1.2L and RF 85mm 1.2L. I will throw in the RF 24-105 F/4 also.

Camera will be the R5

I don’t know exactly what location I will be able to shoot from.

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Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

This will be the first time I will be shooting at my granddaughters volleyball tournament indoors at a high school court. Any suggestion on lens? I have several lenses to choose from.

EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 24-70 2.8L, RF 100-500 f4-7.1, a couple of fast primes. RF 50mm 1.2L and RF 85mm 1.2L. I will throw in the RF 24-105 F/4 also.

Camera will be the R5

I don’t know exactly what location I will be able to shoot from.

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I use 400mm, 200, and 85mm (more rare.) I also use 15-35mm or 16-35mm for celebration shots. From your above list, I would pick the 70-200mm and the 85mm. Even I recommended the 70-200mm, it is my least favorite lens for volleyball. I don't even remember the last I've used it. Everyone and their uncle will be using that lens, often at the wider end.

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cpharm86 said:

Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

This will be the first time I will be shooting at my granddaughters volleyball tournament indoors at a high school court. Any suggestion on lens? I have several lenses to choose from.

EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 24-70 2.8L, RF 100-500 f4-7.1, a couple of fast primes. RF 50mm 1.2L and RF 85mm 1.2L. I will throw in the RF 24-105 F/4 also.

Camera will be the R5

I don’t know exactly what location I will be able to shoot from.

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I use 400mm, 200, and 85mm (more rare.) I also use 15-35mm or 16-35mm for celebration shots. From your above list, I would pick the 70-200mm and the 85mm. Even I recommended the 70-200mm, it is my least favorite lens for volleyball. I don't even remember the last I've used it. Everyone and their uncle will be using that lens, often at the wider end.

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Well, I don’t have a 400mm lens. Don’t you find the 400mm too tight?

I would like to use the RF 85mm 1.2L but I’m not sure how much moving around I will be able to do. Since my uncle won’t be there :-D I will probably use the 70-200mm f/2.8L for now.

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Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

This will be the first time I will be shooting at my granddaughters volleyball tournament indoors at a high school court. Any suggestion on lens? I have several lenses to choose from.

EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 24-70 2.8L, RF 100-500 f4-7.1, a couple of fast primes. RF 50mm 1.2L and RF 85mm 1.2L. I will throw in the RF 24-105 F/4 also.

Camera will be the R5

I don’t know exactly what location I will be able to shoot from.

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I use 400mm, 200, and 85mm (more rare.) I also use 15-35mm or 16-35mm for celebration shots. From your above list, I would pick the 70-200mm and the 85mm. Even I recommended the 70-200mm, it is my least favorite lens for volleyball. I don't even remember the last I've used it. Everyone and their uncle will be using that lens, often at the wider end.

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Well, I don’t have a 400mm lens. Don’t you find the 400mm too tight?

I would like to use the RF 85mm 1.2L but I’m not sure how much moving around I will be able to do. Since my uncle won’t be there :-D I will probably use the 70-200mm f/2.8L for now.

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For volleyball, I prefer shooting downward, and, more often than not, I will be shooting from the spectator stands. 400mm works well for that and very tight shots from the floor. 85mm is mostly for digs from close to the court.

Hey, I have no issue with uncles. When shooting with a zoom, try to challenge yourself by shooting on the longer end. Cropping in post will just going to eat quality away.

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tdbmd said:

In our high school gyms, 400mm would be too tight for most shots. Plus, it would have to be f2.8 to handle the lighting and I don't have $10k for a lens...

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cpharm86 said:

Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

Ray Chen said:

cpharm86 said:

This will be the first time I will be shooting at my granddaughters volleyball tournament indoors at a high school court. Any suggestion on lens? I have several lenses to choose from.

EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 24-70 2.8L, RF 100-500 f4-7.1, a couple of fast primes. RF 50mm 1.2L and RF 85mm 1.2L. I will throw in the RF 24-105 F/4 also.

Camera will be the R5

I don’t know exactly what location I will be able to shoot from.

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I use 400mm, 200, and 85mm (more rare.) I also use 15-35mm or 16-35mm for celebration shots. From your above list, I would pick the 70-200mm and the 85mm. Even I recommended the 70-200mm, it is my least favorite lens for volleyball. I don't even remember the last I've used it. Everyone and their uncle will be using that lens, often at the wider end.

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Well, I don’t have a 400mm lens. Don’t you find the 400mm too tight?

I would like to use the RF 85mm 1.2L but I’m not sure how much moving around I will be able to do. Since my uncle won’t be there :-D I will probably use the 70-200mm f/2.8L for now.

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For volleyball, I prefer shooting downward, and, more often than not, I will be shooting from the spectator stands. 400mm works well for that and very tight shots from the floor. 85mm is mostly for digs from close to the court.

Hey, I have no issue with uncles. When shooting with a zoom, try to challenge yourself by shooting on the longer end. Cropping in post will just going to eat quality away.

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Hope to shoot around the 200mm length. I had never had an interest buying a 400mm lens. I used to shoot my grandsons high school football. The school photog let me on the field to shoot with him. At that time I used a 5Dmiii and canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L.

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dmrimer said:

tdbmd said:

In our high school gyms, 400mm would be too tight for most shots. Plus, it would have to be f2.8 to handle the lighting and I don't have $10k for a lens...

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400mm 2.8L IS generation 1 goes for just north of $2k used, just an FYI. Still probably too long for most shots unless your timing is excellent/lucky.

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tdbmd said:

dmrimer said:

tdbmd said:

In our high school gyms, 400mm would be too tight for most shots. Plus, it would have to be f2.8 to handle the lighting and I don't have $10k for a lens...

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400mm 2.8L IS generation 1 goes for just north of $2k used, just an FYI. Still probably too long for most shots unless your timing is excellent/lucky.

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I don't know if high speed (H+) shooting is supported by the gen 1 version, some of the older versions don't allow full high speed shooting (at least on the R6)

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