Sony A7R III is extremely buggy and Sony customer service is beyond useless

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I bought an A7RIII back when it was announced in November. I had been largely happy with it until I updated the firmware. Since then, I've been having a crazy, buggy experience. I've tried to contact Sony about the issues and their customer service is beyond incompetent. I've had issues with them in the past where the 3rd party repair facility kept my A6000 for 4 months, would repeatedly hang up on me when I called, refused to fix the problem and wouldn't sent it back until I threatened them with legal action.

This time around, the Sony representative wouldn't answer my questions, wouldn't transfer me, kept telling me to call the same number to get someone else. When I got too fed up, I called back and got the same exact representative who, again, refused to answer any questions and sat on the phone silent until the call timed out (10 minutes?). How can their customer service be so bad? I never had anything remotely close to this with Canon. Anyway, this is about my camera, not Sony's wretched service.

This is a list of all of the issues that I can remember.
  1. When you turn the camera on after it's been off for a while (a few days?) and change a bunch of settings (can be shutter, aperture, iso or video modes, etc. It really doesn't matter) then let the camera go to sleep on its own, it will revert to all its previous settings.
  2. Regularly, but not all the time, it takes a very long time to change the shutter speed. The software just pauses for a while.
  3. Intermittently, the camera will switch between the rear screen and the viewfinder when there is nothing blocking the viewfinder. Moving the camera slightly to side to side, the rear screen will flash on and off even though there is nothing close to the viewfinder.
  4. Today, when I turned on the camera while on location for a shoot for a commercial client, the rear screen wouldn't turn on at all. I tried to change the ISO and the camera was scrolling through the ISO's without me touching any buttons.
  5. Intermittently, the autofocus refuses to operate. The Eye Focus will also stop working occasionally in the middle of a shoot.
  6. Intermittently, when using the Flashpoint system, (I use the R2 trigger with the XPlor 600 and the Streaklight 360 mostly, but have other FPs as well), the Sony won't fire the flashes every 2nd or 3rd shot. It doesn't have to do with recharge since when it's been happening lately I've been firing them at 1/128th power. I have the Canon R2 as well, and that one never misses a flash in the same scenarios. So, is it the FP R2 for Sony, or is it the A7RIII?
  7. Intermittently, but most of the time, when I'm shooting with the Sigma MC-11 and Canon L or Sigma Art lenses the camera adds a random 2 or 3 second delay on flash. There is no delay set on the camera, as soon as you take the trigger off, it fires like normal. This makes it unusable for anything besides still product photography with any lens that's not Sony branded. The Sony 85mm 1.8 fires immediately everytime (except when it doesn't fire like complaint #6).
  8. When Tethering to my MacbookPro with Sony Remote, the entire system will intermittently log out and I have to restart the computer, the camera and go through the whole linking process again.
All of these things are making the camera unusable on shoots with clients, which kind of defeats the point of having a camera. Today I was searching for how to do a hard reset (not a settings reset, I want the software to completely reset). Is anyone else having these issues and what are my options for getting this fixed that doesn't involve sending it back to Precision Camera Repair - I refuse to deal with them again.
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?
Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.

It was, for me anyway, like 2020 redux. And my luck is like a bald guy that just won a comb....
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.

It was, for me anyway, like 2020 redux. And my luck is like a bald guy that just won a comb....
Curious, how they determine it was sensor versus lens versus body?

I must be missing something in how this test eliminates the other variables.

Also, I believe you stated you have had multiple bodies with the same issues, are they all tested using the same lenses?

Tim
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.
I fail to understand how that could be caused by a misaligned sensor. A misaligned sensor would cause among other things a very tilted focus plane. But given the nature of mirrorless focusing, you should still be able to focus on any part of the image.
 
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.

It was, for me anyway, like 2020 redux. And my luck is like a bald guy that just won a comb...
Can you post the picture of the owl.
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.
I fail to understand how that could be caused by a misaligned sensor. A misaligned sensor would cause among other things a very tilted focus plane. But given the nature of mirrorless focusing, you should still be able to focus on any part of the image.
This.

None of the 'symptoms' described would be consistent with any form of misalignment of the sensor.
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
I suspect that Sony Support get people to do this to eliminate the possibility that the problem is due to some odd combination of settings the customer has set. It won't cure a misaligned sensor, but it may cure the camera equivalent of PEBKAC.
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
I have a lot of difficulty believing that 3 different cameras bought by the same person would have "sensor misalignment issues". I found it a lot easier to believe that someone is conducting a faulty test and misinterpreting the results as "sensor misalignment".

I, too, doubt that sensor misalignment can be diagnosed remotely. I suspect we may have a case here of support saying "gee, that sounds bad - you better send it in to us", or something along those lines, and this being interpreted as confirmation. Support cannot solve all problems, and they cannot spend an infinite amount of time on a single problem - better that they get the camera sent back, and move on to someone else's problem. Once the camera is in a repair centre it can be diagnosed using the tools they have available.
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.

It was, for me anyway, like 2020 redux. And my luck is like a bald guy that just won a comb....
Curious, how they determine it was sensor versus lens versus body?

I must be missing something in how this test eliminates the other variables.

Also, I believe you stated you have had multiple bodies with the same issues, are they all tested using the same lenses?

Tim
What other varibles? The only other option was to send a brand new camera in for repair.

Yes, I only own 3 lenses. The 24-105, 100-400 and Tamron 70-180.
 
I bought and returned 3 A7RIV's this year. All 3 had misaligned sensor issues.
How do you test for sensor misalignment or how did you find out that they had that?
And even after talking to Sony Support and testing, and then doing a full reset
What can a full reset do for a misaligned sensor, isn't that a hardware problem that comes from bad quality control?
, they told me the camera sensors were bad
Did they remote diagnose this? How?

Not meaning to be negative in any way, just trying to learn more about things I am not knowledgeable about. Thanks!
They were on the phone with me for a good hour. I was taking pictures outside of static objects in broad daylight. With 2 different lenses. The Sony 24-105 and Sony 100-400. Same settings, etc. I reported to the rep where I focused, Flexible Spot M, and where the camera ended up focusing. Which was to the bottom left of the frame. I had one A7RIV on a tripod, OSS off, Flexible Spot Small, directly on an Owls face. The owl was out of focus. Yet the leaves to the bottom left were perfect.
I fail to understand how that could be caused by a misaligned sensor. A misaligned sensor would cause among other things a very tilted focus plane. But given the nature of mirrorless focusing, you should still be able to focus on any part of the image.
The Sony rep told me it was a misaligned sensor. As I stated. An owl was in the open on a branch. Small Flex Spot on his face, this shot hand held. It focused on the branch to the bottom left. The next day I took my tripod thinking my technique was the issue. Small Flex Spot again on the owls face. Focused to the bottom left. I shot a Tarantula also, standing still in the open and the focus was off as well. Focused on the ground.

Also let me add. I took my now defunct Sony A7III out and took photos of those same owls and the focus was spot on.
 
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AZHeaven,

I have no idea of your background, and I am by no means a professional, so please do not be insulted by the list.

With that said, here are a few:

1. The lenses, I also have the Tamron 70-180. At some apertures and focal lengths I have found the center is softer than the edges.

2. Camera wobble, even on a tripod,

3. Shot technique (you would probably not believe how long I kept screwing up long exposures by how I released the button).

4. Considered the possibility that the A7RIII could be misaligned and you have built compensating technique?

5. How do you verify focus post shot?

I am sure there is more. But I would start by eliminating as many variables as you can. Having three "misaligned" cameras of the same body would indicate incredible odds and you need to buy lotto tickets, or there is a massive manufacturing problem that should be evident with many other people with the same camera. And so far, I am not seeing it on my new camera, and I have yet to see others post about it.

Good luck,

Tim
 
AZHeaven,

I have no idea of your background, and I am by no means a professional, so please do not be insulted by the list.

With that said, here are a few:

1. The lenses, I also have the Tamron 70-180. At some apertures and focal lengths I have found the center is softer than the edges.

2. Camera wobble, even on a tripod,

3. Shot technique (you would probably not believe how long I kept screwing up long exposures by how I released the button).

4. Considered the possibility that the A7RIII could be misaligned and you have built compensating technique?

5. How do you verify focus post shot?

I am sure there is more. But I would start by eliminating as many variables as you can. Having three "misaligned" cameras of the same body would indicate incredible odds and you need to buy lotto tickets, or there is a massive manufacturing problem that should be evident with many other people with the same camera. And so far, I am not seeing it on my new camera, and I have yet to see others post about it.

Good luck,

Tim
I am far from a pro! I didn't use the Tamron 70-180 in any of the tests. Just the 24-105 and 100-400.

All photos during the test were of the same subjects. From approx. the same distance in my backyard. I only used the tripod when I went back the next day to test if it was user error. During that test with the tripod, which was of a baby owlet, in a Cottonwood Tree with no branches blocking etc, Flexible Spot Small on the owlets face, timer set to 5 secs. And then I tried hand held with the owlet, then using the tripod as a base not attatched. Same results. Focus was to the lower left.

I had the A7RIV, not the RIII. The RIII arrives tomorrow as a rental. Again, every shot with the A7III was in focus on the owls, or any other subject for that matter.

I verify focus on the back of the camera with the AF/On button. And when I go to 100% on my Mac.

Stuart James has several videos talking about that same problem with a misaligned sensor. I googled AF issues with the A7RIV, watched his videos, then I called Sony Support.

Yeah, bad luck for sure. Can't explain it at all. Even a pro Sony photographer who I'm friends with is perplexed.
 

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