Pretty sure I am selling my KP and K-1 because of K-3iii

That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
 
What amazes me is that after the K3iii release, pentax released firmware updates which included AF updates for the KP. To me the camera went from ok tracking for sports and wildlife (with the da300 and Tammy 70-200) to actually very usable. And not a word from pentax about it. Like the AF tracking algos just got magically better. So even with very little feedback on AF I think it is going to be spectacular to say the least. And I bet with the DFA 150-450 with it's precise stepper motor it is going to be an awesome wildlife combo. I'm already saving up.
 
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
 
What amazes me is that after the K3iii release, pentax released firmware updates which included AF updates for the KP. To me the camera went from ok tracking for sports and wildlife (with the da300 and Tammy 70-200) to actually very usable. And not a word from pentax about it. Like the AF tracking algos just got magically better. So even with very little feedback on AF I think it is going to be spectacular to say the least. And I bet with the DFA 150-450 with it's precise stepper motor it is going to be an awesome wildlife combo. I'm already saving up.
I agree, although the forum here totally told me I am imaging things when I posted about the improved AF on KP, especially during live view... but that’s the internet for you.
 
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
 
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
That is not my problem with the video .. I don't like how slow the eye selection (the box in the OVF) is .. this does not look very snappy. And yes .. it highlights that fast lens is needed on top.
 
Hello ,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
That is not my problem with the video .. I don't like how slow the eye selection (the box in the OVF) is .. this does not look very snappy. And yes .. it highlights that fast lens is needed on top.
That video was done in room light illumination. (look at the shutter-speed, aperture and ISO) So maybe it is faster in good light, we do not know yet. It's sad that he did not used the viewfinder illumination to always on, so that we could see the black AF squares in red illuminated.....and I could see if they get always red illuminated and not, like on my K1, only for the first hit, but not for all following hits.

best regards. KPM2
 
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That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:


From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
 
Hello,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
 
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:


From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
Ohhh boy .. well at least this lens is more silent .. but honestly the eye tracking is not very good. And it clearly often goes to "face" detect instead. Well .. I guess we should not expect more considering how few AF points Pentax has. It could be that the illumination of the box lags behind actual focus .. so maybe all photos would be actually properly focus on the eye .. but I'm getting skeptical.
 
Hello,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !

Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
 
Hello,
Hello,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !
about this:
Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
When you look at the video, even when I have set my K1's viewfinder light to always on, only the first hit in this video would be in red, all others not. I hope that the K1 will get an update to solve this problem....but even the new update do not changed it. Be sure, that the K3 III do always use it's viewfinder light for all hits ! Maybe a user of the K3 III will answer this question.

best regards. KPM2
 
Hello,
Hello,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !
about this:
Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
When you look at the video, even when I have set my K1's viewfinder light to always on, only the first hit in this video would be in red, all others not. I hope that the K1 will get an update to solve this problem....but even the new update do not changed it. Be sure, that the K3 III do always use it's viewfinder light for all hits ! Maybe a user of the K3 III will answer this question.

best regards. KPM2
I just received shipping email from Ricoh !!!

So if nobody answers until then I promise I'll test that ;-)
 
Hello JeremieB

Thank you that you will try it out !

An other tip:

The hybrid OVF is very different to your elder camera, or to a K3, KP and so on.

When you use with, for example, a KP and for example, the SEL L AF array, you never see your AF points before you focus. When you use the main AF not in the centre, it is not easy where you have to focus to your object. Ok, there is a tip, that you press the AF mode button, than you see all AF points of the array in red, but it is very short. With the hybrid OVF of the K1 and now K3 III, you see all AF points of this SEL L (the K3 III named it now Ex L), when you switch on the camera. The AF point boarders are a thin black square and the main AF point in this field has a little bigger black square lines. That makes this hybrid OVF so wonderful for to put your main AF point to your object. Now, when the scene is dark, even the hybrid OVF get not so useful than, because you do not see well this black square AF points, and the tip for such a dark scene is, use the AF mode button. Than, when the K3 III works like a K1 here, the AF points will get red illuminated, but now the red light get not off so long you push this button, and you can see them good and you can held your main AF point to your object and than you can start to focus.

Now when you focus, the K1 and I think the K3 III will do the same, all AF points get off and only the AF point, which is in use is with a thin black square visible and get a bigger black square when a hit is displayed.

About the black, grey and white color settings you did read,. I am sure that are only color setting for the Monitor or LV display, but not for the OVF.

best regards KPM2
Hello,
Hello,
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !
about this:
Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
When you look at the video, even when I have set my K1's viewfinder light to always on, only the first hit in this video would be in red, all others not. I hope that the K1 will get an update to solve this problem....but even the new update do not changed it. Be sure, that the K3 III do always use it's viewfinder light for all hits ! Maybe a user of the K3 III will answer this question.

best regards. KPM2
I just received shipping email from Ricoh !!!

So if nobody answers until then I promise I'll test that ;-)
 
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Hello JeremieB

Thank you that you will try it out !

An other tip:

The hybrid OVF is very different to your elder camera, or to a K3, KP and so on.

When you use with, for example, a KP and for example, the SEL L AF array, you never see your AF points before you focus. When you use the main AF not in the centre, it is not easy where you have to focus to your object. Ok, there is a tip, that you press the AF mode button, than you see all AF points of the array in red, but it is very short. With the hybrid OVF of the K1 and now K3 III, you see all AF points of this SEL L (the K3 III named it now Ex L), when you switch on the camera. The AF point boarders are a thin black square and the main AF point in this field has a little bigger black square lines. That makes this hybrid OVF so wonderful for to put your main AF point to your object. Now, when the scene is dark, even the hybrid OVF get not so useful than, because you do not see well this black square AF points, and the tip for such a dark scene is, use the AF mode button. Than, when the K3 III works like a K1 here, the AF points will get red illuminated, but now the red light get not off so long you push this button, and you can see them good and you can held your main AF point to your object and than you can start to focus.

Now when you focus, the K1 and I think the K3 III will do the same, all AF points get off and only the AF point, which is in use is with a thin black square visible and get a bigger black square when a hit is displayed.

About the black, grey and white color settings you did read,. I am sure that are only color setting for the Monitor or LV display, but not for the OVF.
Hello,

So I could test a few things (for OVF):

- there's only one setting regarding this, "viewfinder light", which can be on off or auto. There's no choice of colors.

- when you push "AF mode" button, the viewfinder goes entirely red. You can then use the dials to change either afs/af-c, either AF zone (auto sel x etc). VF remains red the whole time

- afs: when you do AF and there's a hit, VF flashes in red, and shows AF point hitted (after red flash it goes black). It's the same whether you use shutter or AF button to do AF

- AFC: it's black thin boxes all the time, no red flash even at initial focus

I think how VF overlay is done, my understanding is that there's no way to display something in black and something else in red. I think it's fundamentally monochrome. Also when it's flashing red, you can see it in the VF, what I mean is that it's not just the things displayed in overlay that get red, but the red diffuses in the VF globally (as if you would switch à red led at the side of the screen). My theory is that's why they didn't use that for af-c, when it flashes shortly it's not an issue, but that red glow would be too intrusive in af-c if it was on all the time or flickering quickly.

Subjective impression : the think black boxes in af-c mode are not easy to see, but if you focus your attention on them they are still visible. My overall feeling is in line with the whole camera : it has a more serious feel (I compare with K70), most colors are gone from the UI.

Globally items displayed in VF are cleaner and easier to read (display is very fine, for exemple the levels/orientation markers refresh very fast and it's much better), but it remains monochrome and "discreete", VF never seems cluttered even when there are grids and AF points. Information is there but easy to forget : you have to really think about checking it to actually notice it.

I'm not sure it's very clear :-D
Hello,
Hello,
Mike Arledge, post: 65088893, member: 1825763"]
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !
about this:
Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
When you look at the video, even when I have set my K1's viewfinder light to always on, only the first hit in this video would be in red, all others not. I hope that the K1 will get an update to solve this problem....but even the new update do not changed it. Be sure, that the K3 III do always use it's viewfinder light for all hits ! Maybe a user of the K3 III will answer this question.

best regards. KPM2
I just received shipping email from Ricoh !!!

So if nobody answers until then I promise I'll test that ;-)
[/QUOTE]
 
Hello JeremieB

Thank you that you will try it out !

An other tip:

The hybrid OVF is very different to your elder camera, or to a K3, KP and so on.

When you use with, for example, a KP and for example, the SEL L AF array, you never see your AF points before you focus. When you use the main AF not in the centre, it is not easy where you have to focus to your object. Ok, there is a tip, that you press the AF mode button, than you see all AF points of the array in red, but it is very short. With the hybrid OVF of the K1 and now K3 III, you see all AF points of this SEL L (the K3 III named it now Ex L), when you switch on the camera. The AF point boarders are a thin black square and the main AF point in this field has a little bigger black square lines. That makes this hybrid OVF so wonderful for to put your main AF point to your object. Now, when the scene is dark, even the hybrid OVF get not so useful than, because you do not see well this black square AF points, and the tip for such a dark scene is, use the AF mode button. Than, when the K3 III works like a K1 here, the AF points will get red illuminated, but now the red light get not off so long you push this button, and you can see them good and you can held your main AF point to your object and than you can start to focus.

Now when you focus, the K1 and I think the K3 III will do the same, all AF points get off and only the AF point, which is in use is with a thin black square visible and get a bigger black square when a hit is displayed.

About the black, grey and white color settings you did read,. I am sure that are only color setting for the Monitor or LV display, but not for the OVF.
Hello,

So I could test a few things (for OVF):

- there's only one setting regarding this, "viewfinder light", which can be on off or auto. There's no choice of colors.

- when you push "AF mode" button, the viewfinder goes entirely red. You can then use the dials to change either afs/af-c, either AF zone (auto sel x etc). VF remains red the whole time

- afs: when you do AF and there's a hit, VF flashes in red, and shows AF point hitted (after red flash it goes black). It's the same whether you use shutter or AF button to do AF

- AFC: it's black thin boxes all the time, no red flash even at initial focus

I think how VF overlay is done, my understanding is that there's no way to display something in black and something else in red. I think it's fundamentally monochrome. Also when it's flashing red, you can see it in the VF, what I mean is that it's not just the things displayed in overlay that get red, but the red diffuses in the VF globally (as if you would switch à red led at the side of the screen). My theory is that's why they didn't use that for af-c, when it flashes shortly it's not an issue, but that red glow would be too intrusive in af-c if it was on all the time or flickering quickly.

Subjective impression : the think black boxes in af-c mode are not easy to see, but if you focus your attention on them they are still visible. My overall feeling is in line with the whole camera : it has a more serious feel (I compare with K70), most colors are gone from the UI.

Globally items displayed in VF are cleaner and easier to read (display is very fine, for exemple the levels/orientation markers refresh very fast and it's much better), but it remains monochrome and "discreete", VF never seems cluttered even when there are grids and AF points. Information is there but easy to forget : you have to really think about checking it to actually notice it.

I'm not sure it's very clear :-D
Thank you for the update. Unfortunately this is simply limitation of the OVF. It's probably just a transparent LCD over it, and to get color you have to illuminate the whole screen. The only other solution would be transparent OLED. Those could have color. But those are either expensive or not transparent enough ... Or probably both.
Hello,
Hello,
The Squirrel Mafia, post: 65097851, member: 2065046"]
Mike Arledge, post: 65097851, member: 2065046"]
That is my only last holdup more reviews
Yup. I sit here patiently waiting. Hahaha! :-P

I already knew that ergonomics, IQ, & all the typical Pentax features were going to be great. That was a given. They didn't really have much to improve upon there. The surprisingly large OVF does indeed sound wonderful, but it seems like it's the only good feature that they're touting about. The AF system engineers also talked about the AF system overhaul, but when you look at the whole Pentax marketing, if you can call it that, everything else overshadows the AF system.

For me, the unknown variable is still the AF system. There are a few videos out there showing the AF capabilities. It seems like it is much improved, but it still leaves you wondering. Quite a few Pentax users have received their K-3III bodies already, but no one has done any serious testing on the AF system yet. I know that it will take some time. How well does it track human eyes? How well does it track a subject in the Z-axis? I have lots of AF questions & I will wait for AF answers. :-D
All true I am afraid. I want better face and eye tracking for portraits, that is all I need. I don’t use Pentax for action or wildlife, that is mirror less territory for me.
I agree that it's surprising not to get feedback yet from the eye tracking feature.
Here is one video:


honestly .. I find it pretty bad. Let's see how it performs, how sharp the images will be and how sharp eyes will be .. but I fear that the eye AF on the mirrorless cameras is far far better (not even talking about animal eye AF).

What Pentax has done for K-3 III would have been fantastic 5 years ago, now it is potentially best for APS-C dSLR .. so if you need OVF, this could be the best!

If you can live with EVF, then Sony or Canon are killing it as far as AF goes!
To be fair, there might not possibly be a worse lens choice amongst AF lens for this test than the 50-135. Frankly, it looked like its SDM drive was already half dead... long before the eye AF kicks in...
In fact there is the same with 55-300 PLM:

about this:
From the comments it seems AF tracking boxes can be black, gray or white (if they could add red or green or whatever in a fw update that would be great).
When the hybrid OFV of the K 3 III is similar to the K1, you go with a K3 III to C4 = Viewfinder Display -> Viewfinder Light and set it to always on. Than a K3 illuminate the black squares in red light like a K1....but also maybe the grid lines and focus frame lines, like a K1 do, therefore, in the Pentax video about the K3 III of the running dog, maybe that's why all grids and frame lines was set to off.

best regards KPM2
Many thanks !
about this:
Great tip, then with it should be fine. I'll remember it when they eventually decide to send me the camera ... ;-)
When you look at the video, even when I have set my K1's viewfinder light to always on, only the first hit in this video would be in red, all others not. I hope that the K1 will get an update to solve this problem....but even the new update do not changed it. Be sure, that the K3 III do always use it's viewfinder light for all hits ! Maybe a user of the K3 III will answer this question.

best regards. KPM2
I just received shipping email from Ricoh !!!

So if nobody answers until then I promise I'll test that ;-)
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
Hello JeremieB
Hello JeremieB

Thank you that you will try it out !

An other tip:

The hybrid OVF is very different to your elder camera, or to a K3, KP and so on.

When you use with, for example, a KP and for example, the SEL L AF array, you never see your AF points before you focus. When you use the main AF not in the centre, it is not easy where you have to focus to your object. Ok, there is a tip, that you press the AF mode button, than you see all AF points of the array in red, but it is very short. With the hybrid OVF of the K1 and now K3 III, you see all AF points of this SEL L (the K3 III named it now Ex L), when you switch on the camera. The AF point boarders are a thin black square and the main AF point in this field has a little bigger black square lines. That makes this hybrid OVF so wonderful for to put your main AF point to your object. Now, when the scene is dark, even the hybrid OVF get not so useful than, because you do not see well this black square AF points, and the tip for such a dark scene is, use the AF mode button. Than, when the K3 III works like a K1 here, the AF points will get red illuminated, but now the red light get not off so long you push this button, and you can see them good and you can held your main AF point to your object and than you can start to focus.

Now when you focus, the K1 and I think the K3 III will do the same, all AF points get off and only the AF point, which is in use is with a thin black square visible and get a bigger black square when a hit is displayed.

About the black, grey and white color settings you did read,. I am sure that are only color setting for the Monitor or LV display, but not for the OVF.
Hello,

So I could test a few things (for OVF):

- there's only one setting regarding this, "viewfinder light", which can be on off or auto. There's no choice of colors.

- when you push "AF mode" button, the viewfinder goes entirely red. You can then use the dials to change either afs/af-c, either AF zone (auto sel x etc). VF remains red the whole time

- afs: when you do AF and there's a hit, VF flashes in red, and shows AF point hitted (after red flash it goes black). It's the same whether you use shutter or AF button to do AF

- AFC: it's black thin boxes all the time, no red flash even at initial focus

I think how VF overlay is done, my understanding is that there's no way to display something in black and something else in red. I think it's fundamentally monochrome. Also when it's flashing red, you can see it in the VF, what I mean is that it's not just the things displayed in overlay that get red, but the red diffuses in the VF globally (as if you would switch à red led at the side of the screen). My theory is that's why they didn't use that for af-c, when it flashes shortly it's not an issue, but that red glow would be too intrusive in af-c if it was on all the time or flickering quickly.

Subjective impression : the think black boxes in af-c mode are not easy to see, but if you focus your attention on them they are still visible. My overall feeling is in line with the whole camera : it has a more serious feel (I compare with K70), most colors are gone from the UI.

Globally items displayed in VF are cleaner and easier to read (display is very fine, for exemple the levels/orientation markers refresh very fast and it's much better), but it remains monochrome and "discreete", VF never seems cluttered even when there are grids and AF points. Information is there but easy to forget : you have to really think about checking it to actually notice it.

I'm not sure it's very clear :-D
Congratulation to your K3 III !

and thank you for to try it out.

It looks like the K3 III has the same hybrid OVF like my K1. When you don't like that the red illumination makes this OVF so 'reddish', switch off the grids and let only the AF points set to visible. This makes the 'reddish' look less prone.

Now my K5 and KP use a red LED point array to project the AF points to the OVF. When I saw the Pentax video about the running dog, or this woman, the camera was in AF-C, all grids where off, but the video do show the AF point hits in red. I was exited and thought that maybe the K3 III got the K1 hybrid OVF but combined with a red LED point array a la K5 or KP, or that the red AF point hits I saw was made do to the normal K1 viewfinder light, but this time always in red for all AF hits. Now you wrote, that when you are in AF-C, you never get a red AF hit.....than this video do not show me what the camera do with it's AF point illumination, and this is very sad ! My last hope: what happens when you switch off all grids and all frames for the AF, so that you have only the AF points visible: Do you get than the red illuminated AF point hits...like in the video ? My K1 don't do it, even when I switch off all of the above described grids and frames.

BTW, I am only sad about this not existing red illumination, when I would need it for low level illuminated scenes. For all other light levels of the scene, I enjoy this hybrid OVF. Think about all the AF points you can select, I have also a lot with my KP to select, and now use one of them, which is not the centre one....and try to focus with it with a KP...the KP's OVF do not show them until I start to focus, but the hybrid AF do show me the AF point in the OVF (ok, in black) before I start to focus. So with the KP's red LED point array for the AF points, such a lot AF points of the K3 III would be a little unpractical to use, because you do not know where they are in the OVF before you start to focus and therefore is is a little luck to have them or it under your object before you start to focus.

best regards KPM2
 
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Me to but not to buy K-3iii but to leave Pentax system. I think the monies raised will go on a Carl Zeiss Loxia 25mm lens for my FF Sonys.

Pentax is no longer the value brand. With no 3rd party support any future lenses that support K-3iii in performance/tracking will no doubt be very expensive.

The built-in NR is bad idea imo. I think it will hinder post production of RAW files.

I will still have Sony A77ii as APS-C body for time being. That camera is not being used much at all but with my KP going I hope to give it a good workout soon. Maybe that too will be for the chopping block! However it does allow me to use Minolta glass without the kludge that is adapting to E-mount.
 
Well, I did decide to post my K-1, Zeiss and D-FA 50 for sale here as I am going to keep my KP 50-135 and limiteds (31, 77 and 15) for the time being. The Canon R6 is where I want my FF kit to be. See the for sale forum if interested.
 

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