Mirrorless & FF photography: I find no alternative to the Sony E mount system (a7III).

Are you joking? The MFT lens lineup is already huge. Panasonic is releasing the GH6 soon, and OMD releasing more cameras is part of the business plan.

Some lenses:

Panasonic 10-25 f1.7

Olympus 7-14 f2.8

Olympus Pro 17mm, 25mm, 45mm f1.2

Sigma 16mm, 30mm, 56mm 1.4

Panasonic 42,5mm 1.2

Olympus 40-150mm 2.8

Olympus 75mm 1.8

Olympus 300mm f4

Olympus 150-400mm f4.5 with TC
I'll say it again. Olympus went out of business after 100 years due to how poorly they were doing in m43.
And yet a new iteration of the brand carries on. Olympus is a large corporate conglomerate with many areas of business and some major management scandals. Blaming the camera division's downfall on alleged unsustainability of MFT is rather simplistic.
Panasonic released the single lens that they already had in the pipeline and that is the only lens in the past 2+ years.
Um, exactly how many lenses is enough? MFT has more native AF lenses (I found 98 on the B&H website) than any other mirrorless system except Sony 35mm format.
I saw the writing on the wall when Panasonic went FF and gave lip service to m43. I changed systems then.
Might as well bail out of all ILC systems, then, because phones are eating their lunch.
 
The troll immediately cries out for moderation.
"Meanwhile, Panasonic has reaffirmed their support for MFT,"- They repeated the same marketing speaj that they said 2.5 years ago,
Already addressed by the release of the GH6
meant for the gullible.
Troll
And then they released a single lens already in the pipeline and then nothing.
Already addressed by the continued sales of the massive, modern lineup
And you have a bankruptcy specialist company
https://photorumors.com/2020/09/10/...ers-acquisition-of-olympuss-imaging-business/

Mr. Inagaki said, “In the past 30 investments we have made, we have never had a case of bankruptcy."

Troll
 
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The troll immediately cries out for moderation.
"Meanwhile, Panasonic has reaffirmed their support for MFT,"- They repeated the same marketing speaj that they said 2.5 years ago,
Already addressed by the release of the GH6
meant for the gullible.
Troll
And then they released a single lens already in the pipeline and then nothing.
Already addressed by the continued sales of the massive, modern lineup
And you have a bankruptcy specialist company
https://photorumors.com/2020/09/10/...ers-acquisition-of-olympuss-imaging-business/

Mr. Inagaki said, “In the past 30 investments we have made, we have never had a case of bankruptcy."

Troll
Calling someone a troll (four times) just because you don't agree with them is pretty pathetic. And your arguments that bankruptcies don't matter and new products not being released don't matter are very weak. No wonder you are resulting to name calling, but still, pull yourself together. You are not impressing anyone and you are just embarrassing yourself.
 
your arguments that bankruptcies don't matter
False. I haven't presented the argument that "bankruptcies don't matter".

Nobody has gone bankrupt. OMD will spend money on the development and release of new cameras for years. It's misleading to call the acquirer a "bankruptcy specialist" when their acquisitions don't go bankrupt, and money and effort is invested into preventing them from going bankrupt.
your arguments about .... new products not being released
False. I haven't presented the argument that new products aren't being released.

New products are being released. It's literally in my posts.
No wonder you are resulting to name calling, but still, pull yourself together. You are not impressing anyone and you are just embarrassing yourself.
You intrude in an exchange between two people and make utterly oblivious, false, incorrect, malperceptions about what's being said and assert that as the truth. Neither of the "arguments" you attribute to me are actually my arguments, or have remotely whatsoever been presented as my arguments - it's actually far closer to the other person's claims. In the interest of peace, I'll presume this was simply an error of cognition.
 
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your arguments that bankruptcies don't matter
False. I haven't presented the argument that "bankruptcies don't matter".

Nobody has gone bankrupt. OMD will spend money on the development and release of new cameras for years. It's misleading to call the acquirer a "bankruptcy specialist" when their acquisitions don't go bankrupt, and money and effort is invested into preventing them from going bankrupt.
your arguments about .... new products not being released
False. I haven't presented the argument that new products aren't being released.

New products are being released. It's literally in my posts.
No wonder you are resulting to name calling, but still, pull yourself together. You are not impressing anyone and you are just embarrassing yourself.
You intrude in an exchange between two people and make utterly oblivious, false, incorrect, malperceptions about what's being said and assert that as the truth. Neither of the "arguments" you attribute to me are actually my arguments, or have remotely whatsoever been presented as my arguments - it's actually far closer to the other person's claims. In the interest of peace, I'll presume this was simply an error of cognition.
Intrude? If it is an exchange between just two people, then make it over DM.

You are aware that name calling is not allowed on DPReview, right? Or is that "simply an error of cognition?"

Are these not your words:

"- "Olympus' consumer camera division lost money: irrelevant when cameras still will be developed and released for years

- Not many new lenses from Panasonic: irrelevant, the lens range is already packed"

Seems to me that you should just take a break from DPReview for a while... Like I said, you are just embarrassing yourself...
 
Are you joking? The MFT lens lineup is already huge. Panasonic is releasing the GH6 soon, and OMD releasing more cameras is part of the business plan.

Some lenses:

Panasonic 10-25 f1.7

Olympus 7-14 f2.8

Olympus Pro 17mm, 25mm, 45mm f1.2

Sigma 16mm, 30mm, 56mm 1.4

Panasonic 42,5mm 1.2

Olympus 40-150mm 2.8

Olympus 75mm 1.8

Olympus 300mm f4

Olympus 150-400mm f4.5 with TC
I'll say it again. Olympus went out of business after 100 years due to how poorly they were doing in m43.
And yet a new iteration of the brand carries on. Olympus is a large corporate conglomerate with many areas of business and some major management scandals. Blaming the camera division's downfall on alleged unsustainability of MFT is rather simplistic.
Panasonic released the single lens that they already had in the pipeline and that is the only lens in the past 2+ years.
Um, exactly how many lenses is enough? MFT has more native AF lenses (I found 98 on the B&H website) than any other mirrorless system except Sony 35mm format.
I saw the writing on the wall when Panasonic went FF and gave lip service to m43. I changed systems then.
Might as well bail out of all ILC systems, then, because phones are eating their lunch.
If someone bought the rights to the Lord of the Rings and made a sequel, would it really be lord of the rings? Would you expect the same quality? What about if it was taken over by a company that simply bought money bleeding divisions that parent companies are desperately trying to get rid of?

Nikon was making F mount lenses for 50 years, yet M43 is complete?

We are talking about a certain mount continuing or dying. The others are all producing new lenses and new cameras regularly. If you want to discuss whether them continuing to make cameras is a smart idea, I'd argue no, but they are choosing to continue regardless. Just Olympus and Panasonic aren't.
 
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The troll immediately cries out for moderation.
"Meanwhile, Panasonic has reaffirmed their support for MFT,"- They repeated the same marketing speaj that they said 2.5 years ago,
Already addressed by the release of the GH6
meant for the gullible.
Troll
And then they released a single lens already in the pipeline and then nothing.
Already addressed by the continued sales of the massive, modern lineup
And you have a bankruptcy specialist company
https://photorumors.com/2020/09/10/...ers-acquisition-of-olympuss-imaging-business/

Mr. Inagaki said, “In the past 30 investments we have made, we have never had a case of bankruptcy."

Troll
Again, "troll" is just a way to insult someone while skirting moderation. It means you have no argument and have resorted to a lowest common denominator attack on the person instead. It reveals that you have lost all control and does not reflect well.

Olympus was bleeding money so bad that they went and sold a division they had for 100 years. They sold it to a company that buys up dead divisions and money losers and you expect that that company will release quality image products after the current pipeline is over... Just like Panasonic after its final lens in the pipeline?

I wasn't going to waste time in denial, unloaded by system, and went into a system still making new equipment. No one is forcing you to change. But denial makes little sense here.
 
I'm a first-time buyer into a mirrorless full-frame camera system for photography (no video) as a hobby in nature and some urban areas (forests, landscapes, streets). I value FF, intuitive ergonomics and accessibility (ease of use), light-weight, IBIS and good low light performance (for dark winters, dusk/dawn, fog etc.).

I've been researching wildly but seems to have run into the fact that there seems to be no alternative to the Sony E mount IF you're buying into an entry-level system for semi-professional photography in terms of value.

Am I missing something?
Maybe.

I'll point you to something you wrote, with me adding the bolds:
The a7iii is an older albeit still capable camera with frustrating EVF, screen, menus and ergonomics (I'm borrowing one).
And, I'll just ask you if you really believe it's a good idea to spend $2600 on a tool you find "frustrating" to use. It's easy to write about frustration and not really mean it, but if you do mean it, that sounds like a honking alert klaxon. To me, anyway.

$2600 is a lot of money to some people, maybe also to you. For perspective: it's enough to buy a credible used car.

So: I'm of the opinion that if you spend that much money on a camera (rather than, say, a car!), you should love what you get. You should love, love, love it. For that amount of money, you should end up with a tool with which you get on so well that it'll just functionally disappear in your hands during use--that it'll enable you to think entirely about the image and the moment and the project at hand, rather than about it.

But what you've written sounds less ideal. It seems as if you plan to be making peace with the A7iii + Tamron zoom as a rational compromise. You don't plan to get on with it perfectly. I think that's potentially a sign that it's not the kit for you.

Maybe it could grow into being "the one" for you? Your perspective on what's "frustrating" could change? That could happen, sure. Hard to say.

There are many potential excellent alternative body-lens outfits in the $2500 - $3500 price range from every manufacturer, including Sony, which you haven't listed among your research. But the critical question--how those alternatives would serve your photographic interests--is difficult or impossible to address without a more detailed dive into what you're shooting or into what you plan to do with your results.

Remember that as you approach equipment intended for "professional" photography, the capabilities added will begin to empower niche needs--because "professionals" all pursue their own, highly individualized thing. "Image quality" isn't what defines professional-grade work. Rather, "professional grade" is the production of images that don't look like anything else anyone else is producing. The point of spending north of $2500 on a camera system is that it empowers the special, interesting, individual thing that only you can produce.

Professionals explore-engage all kinds of equipment to achieve a unique look, a result that jumps off an editor's Photomechanic contact sheet. Full frame mirrorless? Pfft: if you're Sofi Lee, you've made a commercial career shooting CCD digicams from the early 'aughts.

So what's that unique thing, for you? If you're "missing something," it might be consideration of that. You've circumscribed your equipment needs into a very particular box, which you regard as "semi-professional." Are you certain that's the box that actually best fits your interests and intentions? I know the Sofi Lee example is wild--I'm not saying you should content yourself with a Canon G10 from 2008! Rather, I'm pointing toward her to remind you of how diverse and how specific equipment load-outs in at the "semi-professional" or "professional" level of our craft really are. There's no "general purpose" at the level of photography you're aiming yourself toward, and what you might think is "general purpose" is probably only "general" to you. That's why the weird cost / capability disjoints you're noticing exist: you aren't comparing a couple of different "general purpose" kits designed for the same user-interest-result. If they compete, it's adjacent at best. They're all highly purposeful, aimed in different directions.

Photographers here moan and flame and bash and troll that one system is "better" than another, but what they're really saying is "this system's [x] feature is more important to my highly individual interest, and I'm just going to assume that my unique interests are 'general' because I'm the main character here, it's about me, me, me."

Oh, I kid, I kid. Kind of.

Anyway, what I'm really getting at: you've been researching cameras, but have you also been researching (your) photography? What your individual, unique thing really, really needs to take off, to creatively satisfy? Maybe the box you've drawn around your needs isn't as "tight" as you now think. Maybe an f/4 zoom would work just as well for you. Or maybe a pair of primes. Or maybe a smaller format.

Maybe not?

Really, unless you're buying a camera just because you like cameras and not necessarily for photography, there's no good way to get into a system by just "researching cameras." You really have to get close in touch with what you're doing, creatively--what you like, specifically, to produce--and pick the tools that will best enable the unique purpose at hand.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck in your choices, and have a good one :D
 
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  • R6 + RF 24-70mm 2.8 = 3800$ (USD)
  • Z6 + Nikkor z 24-70mm 2.8 = 3600$
  • S5 + Sigma 24-70mm 2.8 = 3200$
  • A7ii+Tamron 28-75mm RXD, 2.8 = 2600$
The difference between 24mm and 28mm is significant.
Am I missing something? It's hard to believe that there's no real alternative in a competitive market economy if you're a first-time buyer into a photography system for FF/mirrorless. The a7iii is an older albeit still capable camera with frustrating EVF, screen, menus and ergonomics (I'm borrowing one).
All the cameras are fantastic, once that is out of the way, handling, ease of use and how it fits your hand is the most important thing. The frustrations you are feeling now will only increase over time and impact the enjoyment you get from photography. The $300 saving will have faded from your memory to be replaced with the frustration of poor ergonomics every single time you use it.

Go and try all the competing models and buy the one which feels the best to use, that's what will count in the long run.
 
Are you joking? The MFT lens lineup is already huge. Panasonic is releasing the GH6 soon, and OMD releasing more cameras is part of the business plan.

Some lenses:

Panasonic 10-25 f1.7

Olympus 7-14 f2.8

Olympus Pro 17mm, 25mm, 45mm f1.2

Sigma 16mm, 30mm, 56mm 1.4

Panasonic 42,5mm 1.2

Olympus 40-150mm 2.8

Olympus 75mm 1.8

Olympus 300mm f4

Olympus 150-400mm f4.5 with TC
I'll say it again. Olympus went out of business after 100 years due to how poorly they were doing in m43. Panasonic released the single lens that they already had in the pipeline and that is the only lens in the past 2+ years.

I saw the writing on the wall when Panasonic went FF and gave lip service to m43. I changed systems then.
Olympus didn't go out of business.

They sold their consumer camera division, which is still in business as another company.

Olympus still makes medical equipment, etc, and the OM group or whatever it's called is turning out lenses in cameras.

This can all be verifying by reading the press releases, business pages, and other info sources more reliable than "writing on the wall."

As to the OP's point, well, maybe. it's kind of like saying Toyota is the best car manufacturer because they have models with lots of tires that fit it. Yes, but I still need something different than a Toyota. And some of those lenses are choices, but actually replicating each other. Which is good, competition and all, but that competiton also extends to other features and it might be that say video features or cine lenses or AF or even weatherproofing or whatever is a more important factor. I doubt many of us in the real world buy up all the lenses.

If this is about the business, Canon still rules all by a wide margin, at least in terms of market share. They still have to maintain a big base of DSLR users, but even still they are accelerating rapidly into mirrorless and I'm sure Sony has noticed.

But I don't feel any of this is really relevant to a first time buyer of an interchangeable lens camera system, since it's based on just market research, not use. But they do have good cameras and lenses, so hard to go wrong if you want to spend money.
 
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I'm a first-time buyer into a mirrorless full-frame camera system for photography (no video) as a hobby in nature and some urban areas (forests, landscapes, streets). I value FF, intuitive ergonomics and accessibility (ease of use), light-weight, IBIS and good low light performance (for dark winters, dusk/dawn, fog etc.).

I've been researching wildly but seems to have run into the fact that there seems to be no alternative to the Sony E mount IF you're buying into an entry-level system for semi-professional photography in terms of value.

Am I missing something?
Maybe.

I'll point you to something you wrote, with me adding the bolds:
The a7iii is an older albeit still capable camera with frustrating EVF, screen, menus and ergonomics (I'm borrowing one).
And, I'll just ask you if you really believe it's a good idea to spend $2600 on a tool you find "frustrating" to use. It's easy to write about frustration and not really mean it, but if you do mean it, that sounds like a honking alert klaxon. To me, anyway.

$2600 is a lot of money to some people, maybe also to you. For perspective: it's enough to buy a credible used car.

So: I'm of the opinion that if you spend that much money on a camera (rather than, say, a car!), you should love what you get. You should love, love, love it. For that amount of money, you should end up with a tool with which you get on so well that it'll just functionally disappear in your hands during use--that it'll enable you to think entirely about the image and the moment and the project at hand, rather than about it.

But what you've written sounds less ideal. It seems as if you plan to be making peace with the A7iii + Tamron zoom as a rational compromise. You don't plan to get on with it perfectly. I think that's potentially a sign that it's not the kit for you.

Maybe it could grow into being "the one" for you? Your perspective on what's "frustrating" could change? That could happen, sure. Hard to say.

There are many potential excellent alternative body-lens outfits in the $2500 - $3500 price range from every manufacturer, including Sony, which you haven't listed among your research. But the critical question--how those alternatives would serve your photographic interests--is difficult or impossible to address without a more detailed dive into what you're shooting or into what you plan to do with your results.

Remember that as you approach equipment intended for "professional" photography, the capabilities added will begin to empower niche needs--because "professionals" all pursue their own, highly individualized thing. "Image quality" isn't what defines professional-grade work. Rather, "professional grade" is the production of images that don't look like anything else anyone else is producing. The point of spending north of $2500 on a camera system is that it empowers the special, interesting, individual thing that only you can produce.

Professionals explore-engage all kinds of equipment to achieve a unique look, a result that jumps off an editor's Photomechanic contact sheet. Full frame mirrorless? Pfft: if you're Sofi Lee, you've made a commercial career shooting CCD digicams from the early 'aughts.

So what's that unique thing, for you? If you're "missing something," it might be consideration of that. You've circumscribed your equipment needs into a very particular box, which you regard as "semi-professional." Are you certain that's the box that actually best fits your interests and intentions? I know the Sofi Lee example is wild--I'm not saying you should content yourself with a Canon G10 from 2008! Rather, I'm pointing toward her to remind you of how diverse and how specific equipment load-outs in at the "semi-professional" or "professional" level of our craft really are. There's no "general purpose" at the level of photography you're aiming yourself toward, and what you might think is "general purpose" is probably only "general" to you. That's why the weird cost / capability disjoints you're noticing exist: you aren't comparing a couple of different "general purpose" kits designed for the same user-interest-result. If they compete, it's adjacent at best. They're all highly purposeful, aimed in different directions.

Photographers here moan and flame and bash and troll that one system is "better" than another, but what they're really saying is "this system's [x] feature is more important to my highly individual interest, and I'm just going to assume that my unique interests are 'general' because I'm the main character here, it's about me, me, me."

Oh, I kid, I kid. Kind of.

Anyway, what I'm really getting at: you've been researching cameras, but have you also been researching (your) photography? What your individual, unique thing really, really needs to take off, to creatively satisfy? Maybe the box you've drawn around your needs isn't as "tight" as you now think. Maybe an f/4 zoom would work just as well for you. Or maybe a pair of primes. Or maybe a smaller format.

Maybe not?

Really, unless you're buying a camera just because you like cameras and not necessarily for photography, there's no good way to get into a system by just "researching cameras." You really have to get close in touch with what you're doing, creatively--what you like, specifically, to produce--and pick the tools that will best enable the unique purpose at hand.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck in your choices, and have a good one :D
The a7iii is regularly 1800, not 2600.
 
I'm a first-time buyer into a mirrorless full-frame camera system for photography (no video) as a hobby in nature and some urban areas (forests, landscapes, streets). I value FF, intuitive ergonomics and accessibility (ease of use), light-weight, IBIS and good low light performance (for dark winters, dusk/dawn, fog etc.).

I've been researching wildly but seems to have run into the fact that there seems to be no alternative to the Sony E mount IF you're buying into an entry-level system for semi-professional photography in terms of value.

Am I missing something?
Maybe.

I'll point you to something you wrote, with me adding the bolds:
The a7iii is an older albeit still capable camera with frustrating EVF, screen, menus and ergonomics (I'm borrowing one).
And, I'll just ask you if you really believe it's a good idea to spend $2600 on a tool you find "frustrating" to use. It's easy to write about frustration and not really mean it, but if you do mean it, that sounds like a honking alert klaxon. To me, anyway.

$2600 is a lot of money to some people, maybe also to you. For perspective: it's enough to buy a credible used car.

So: I'm of the opinion that if you spend that much money on a camera (rather than, say, a car!), you should love what you get. You should love, love, love it. For that amount of money, you should end up with a tool with which you get on so well that it'll just functionally disappear in your hands during use--that it'll enable you to think entirely about the image and the moment and the project at hand, rather than about it.

But what you've written sounds less ideal. It seems as if you plan to be making peace with the A7iii + Tamron zoom as a rational compromise. You don't plan to get on with it perfectly. I think that's potentially a sign that it's not the kit for you.

Maybe it could grow into being "the one" for you? Your perspective on what's "frustrating" could change? That could happen, sure. Hard to say.

There are many potential excellent alternative body-lens outfits in the $2500 - $3500 price range from every manufacturer, including Sony, which you haven't listed among your research. But the critical question--how those alternatives would serve your photographic interests--is difficult or impossible to address without a more detailed dive into what you're shooting or into what you plan to do with your results.

Remember that as you approach equipment intended for "professional" photography, the capabilities added will begin to empower niche needs--because "professionals" all pursue their own, highly individualized thing. "Image quality" isn't what defines professional-grade work. Rather, "professional grade" is the production of images that don't look like anything else anyone else is producing. The point of spending north of $2500 on a camera system is that it empowers the special, interesting, individual thing that only you can produce.

Professionals explore-engage all kinds of equipment to achieve a unique look, a result that jumps off an editor's Photomechanic contact sheet. Full frame mirrorless? Pfft: if you're Sofi Lee, you've made a commercial career shooting CCD digicams from the early 'aughts.

So what's that unique thing, for you? If you're "missing something," it might be consideration of that. You've circumscribed your equipment needs into a very particular box, which you regard as "semi-professional." Are you certain that's the box that actually best fits your interests and intentions? I know the Sofi Lee example is wild--I'm not saying you should content yourself with a Canon G10 from 2008! Rather, I'm pointing toward her to remind you of how diverse and how specific equipment load-outs in at the "semi-professional" or "professional" level of our craft really are. There's no "general purpose" at the level of photography you're aiming yourself toward, and what you might think is "general purpose" is probably only "general" to you. That's why the weird cost / capability disjoints you're noticing exist: you aren't comparing a couple of different "general purpose" kits designed for the same user-interest-result. If they compete, it's adjacent at best. They're all highly purposeful, aimed in different directions.

Photographers here moan and flame and bash and troll that one system is "better" than another, but what they're really saying is "this system's [x] feature is more important to my highly individual interest, and I'm just going to assume that my unique interests are 'general' because I'm the main character here, it's about me, me, me."

Oh, I kid, I kid. Kind of.

Anyway, what I'm really getting at: you've been researching cameras, but have you also been researching (your) photography? What your individual, unique thing really, really needs to take off, to creatively satisfy? Maybe the box you've drawn around your needs isn't as "tight" as you now think. Maybe an f/4 zoom would work just as well for you. Or maybe a pair of primes. Or maybe a smaller format.

Maybe not?

Really, unless you're buying a camera just because you like cameras and not necessarily for photography, there's no good way to get into a system by just "researching cameras." You really have to get close in touch with what you're doing, creatively--what you like, specifically, to produce--and pick the tools that will best enable the unique purpose at hand.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck in your choices, and have a good one :D
@Siobhan_K That was a really nice read. So thank you for that. But while I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post, I must say I disagree with quite a bit of it.

I didn't know who Sofi Lee was, and undoubtedly she is a professional. But if anything, she is the exception that confirms the rule: gear matters, and it matters a lot. Or let me say it in a different way: gear doesn't matter until it does, and then it matters a lot. And you may have to put up with quite a bit of frustration with such gear in order to get the images that you want.

Look at the photographers covering professional sports. You will not see a single one of them photographing the Olympics with a little point-and-shoot. And you can bet that none of them loves the weight of their gigantic lenses. Or look at photographers that make art like Alec Soth or Bryan Schutmaat who shoot with field cameras, and while both of them love their huge cameras, neither of them loves the fact that they are huge and unwieldy.

In fashion it may not be so black and white, but you do see a strong correlation between how much a photographer charges and the size of their camera sensor And while some may be very proud of their Phase One, none of them particularly likes dropping $50K on a camera. And while someone like Newsha Tavakolian manages to do exceptional photojournalism with a film Hasselblad while wearing high heels and going backwards, it seems that most photographers doing photojournalism these days are running around with a Sony A9 and the 24-105 f/4 G. And quite a few of them don't particularly love EVFs.

It would be great if in life you didn't have to make compromises, and yet it is full of them. And photography, maybe more than any other art form, is one big compromise...
 
In fashion it may not be so black and white, but you do see a strong correlation between how much a photographer charges and the size of their camera sensor
That's an interesting claim. Do you have any kind of documentation of that, or any reputable source saying the same thing?
 
Are you joking? The MFT lens lineup is already huge. Panasonic is releasing the GH6 soon, and OMD releasing more cameras is part of the business plan.

Some lenses:

Panasonic 10-25 f1.7

Olympus 7-14 f2.8

Olympus Pro 17mm, 25mm, 45mm f1.2

Sigma 16mm, 30mm, 56mm 1.4

Panasonic 42,5mm 1.2

Olympus 40-150mm 2.8

Olympus 75mm 1.8

Olympus 300mm f4

Olympus 150-400mm f4.5 with TC
I'll say it again. Olympus went out of business after 100 years due to how poorly they were doing in m43.
And yet a new iteration of the brand carries on. Olympus is a large corporate conglomerate with many areas of business and some major management scandals. Blaming the camera division's downfall on alleged unsustainability of MFT is rather simplistic.
Panasonic released the single lens that they already had in the pipeline and that is the only lens in the past 2+ years.
Um, exactly how many lenses is enough? MFT has more native AF lenses (I found 98 on the B&H website) than any other mirrorless system except Sony 35mm format.
I saw the writing on the wall when Panasonic went FF and gave lip service to m43. I changed systems then.
Might as well bail out of all ILC systems, then, because phones are eating their lunch.
If someone bought the rights to the Lord of the Rings and made a sequel, would it really be lord of the rings? Would you expect the same quality?
Silly analogy. The design and manufacture of a camera is not dependent on the unique sensibilities of a single artist.
What about if it was taken over by a company that simply bought money bleeding divisions that parent companies are desperately trying to get rid of?

Nikon was making F mount lenses for 50 years, yet M43 is complete?

We are talking about a certain mount continuing or dying. The others are all producing new lenses and new cameras regularly.
Because they desperately need to, and it'll take them years to catch up to MFT or Sony 35mm.
If you want to discuss whether them continuing to make cameras is a smart idea, I'd argue no, but they are choosing to continue regardless. Just Olympus and Panasonic aren't.
Riiiiiiiiiight.

247InterviewPanasonic interview: 'We will strengthen both full frame and M43'

Folks like you have been predicting the demise of Micro Four Thirds since its inception. It's really, really old and boring.

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I'm a first-time buyer into a mirrorless full-frame camera system for photography (no video) as a hobby in nature and some urban areas (forests, landscapes, streets). I value FF, intuitive ergonomics and accessibility (ease of use), light-weight, IBIS and good low light performance (for dark winters, dusk/dawn, fog etc.).

I've been researching wildly but seems to have run into the fact that there seems to be no alternative to the Sony E mount IF you're buying into an entry-level system for semi-professional photography in terms of value.

Am I missing something?
Maybe.

I'll point you to something you wrote, with me adding the bolds:
The a7iii is an older albeit still capable camera with frustrating EVF, screen, menus and ergonomics (I'm borrowing one).
And, I'll just ask you if you really believe it's a good idea to spend $2600 on a tool you find "frustrating" to use. It's easy to write about frustration and not really mean it, but if you do mean it, that sounds like a honking alert klaxon. To me, anyway.

$2600 is a lot of money to some people, maybe also to you. For perspective: it's enough to buy a credible used car.

So: I'm of the opinion that if you spend that much money on a camera (rather than, say, a car!), you should love what you get. You should love, love, love it. For that amount of money, you should end up with a tool with which you get on so well that it'll just functionally disappear in your hands during use--that it'll enable you to think entirely about the image and the moment and the project at hand, rather than about it.

But what you've written sounds less ideal. It seems as if you plan to be making peace with the A7iii + Tamron zoom as a rational compromise. You don't plan to get on with it perfectly. I think that's potentially a sign that it's not the kit for you.

Maybe it could grow into being "the one" for you? Your perspective on what's "frustrating" could change? That could happen, sure. Hard to say.

There are many potential excellent alternative body-lens outfits in the $2500 - $3500 price range from every manufacturer, including Sony, which you haven't listed among your research. But the critical question--how those alternatives would serve your photographic interests--is difficult or impossible to address without a more detailed dive into what you're shooting or into what you plan to do with your results.

Remember that as you approach equipment intended for "professional" photography, the capabilities added will begin to empower niche needs--because "professionals" all pursue their own, highly individualized thing. "Image quality" isn't what defines professional-grade work. Rather, "professional grade" is the production of images that don't look like anything else anyone else is producing. The point of spending north of $2500 on a camera system is that it empowers the special, interesting, individual thing that only you can produce.
An excellent post overall, but I take issue with this one point. Photographic work does not have to be especially unique or "creative" to be professional. Much of photography is more craft than art, and professionalism involves reliably producing to a high technical standard. This does not necessarily require a unique sensibility. What it does require is knowledge, experience, and technical mastery, which is what makes it "professional".

I bought a Sony 35mm-format kit to supplement my MFT kit not to realize some unique vision, but to produce under more difficult lighting conditions the kinds of standard event images I was already creating with my MFT kit. Now, I do endeavor to be creative in my event work, but let's be honest: the kinds of images event clients want are not necessarily unique never-seen-before ground-breaking stuff. But, they do need to be well-timed and skillfully executed. In this work, I think of myself more as a skilled craftsman than an artist with a unique voice. My travel and landscape work is where I aim for a more unique and personal expression. Both my MFT and 35mm-format kits serve both approaches admirably.
Professionals explore-engage all kinds of equipment to achieve a unique look
or just address a technical challenge
, a result that jumps off an editor's Photomechanic contact sheet. Full frame mirrorless? Pfft: if you're Sofi Lee, you've made a commercial career shooting CCD digicams from the early 'aughts.

So what's that unique thing, for you? If you're "missing something," it might be consideration of that. You've circumscribed your equipment needs into a very particular box, which you regard as "semi-professional." Are you certain that's the box that actually best fits your interests and intentions? I know the Sofi Lee example is wild--I'm not saying you should content yourself with a Canon G10 from 2008! Rather, I'm pointing toward her to remind you of how diverse and how specific equipment load-outs in at the "semi-professional" or "professional" level of our craft really are. There's no "general purpose" at the level of photography you're aiming yourself toward, and what you might think is "general purpose" is probably only "general" to you. That's why the weird cost / capability disjoints you're noticing exist: you aren't comparing a couple of different "general purpose" kits designed for the same user-interest-result. If they compete, it's adjacent at best. They're all highly purposeful, aimed in different directions.

Photographers here moan and flame and bash and troll that one system is "better" than another, but what they're really saying is "this system's [x] feature is more important to my highly individual interest, and I'm just going to assume that my unique interests are 'general' because I'm the main character here, it's about me, me, me."
Now these are good points. As a pro, wearing either my craftsman or artist hats, I start with my end goals and work backward to determine what gear I need to realize them. Hence the 35mm-format prime-centric kit: I needed clean images of moving subjects at ISO 25,600 under dim-light no-flash conditions. That's it. It was an exercise in creative problem-solving, but not primarily in expressing some unique artistic vision.
Oh, I kid, I kid. Kind of.

Anyway, what I'm really getting at: you've been researching cameras, but have you also been researching (your) photography?
Et voilà!
What your individual, unique thing really, really needs to take off, to creatively satisfy? Maybe the box you've drawn around your needs isn't as "tight" as you now think. Maybe an f/4 zoom would work just as well for you. Or maybe a pair of primes. Or maybe a smaller format.

Maybe not?

Really, unless you're buying a camera just because you like cameras and not necessarily for photography, there's no good way to get into a system by just "researching cameras." You really have to get close in touch with what you're doing, creatively--what you like, specifically, to produce--and pick the tools that will best enable the unique purpose at hand.
Well said.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good luck in your choices, and have a good one :D
As a final note, I'll just share this: My Sonys get the job done. But, I don't enjoy using them. Too many minor frustrations. If I can assemble a Panasonic S5 & S1R kit that will do the job as well with similar size and cost but the ergonomics, controls and UI that I love about my Panasonic MFT kit, I may yet jump ship. Waiting on Panasonic to release forthcoming 24/1.8 and 35/1.8 primes...

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I've shot both systems, and have had Nikon, but stayed with Canon gear. As for cost, with the Canon R5/R6, you can use the EF glass at near equal quality to the RF lenses and for a fraction of the cost.

Sony has good cameras, but I cannot stand the ergonomics and the menu system. Non-Sony lenses adapted to the Sony bodies has, from my experience, been a hit/miss proposition for performance (AF speed/accuracy) and the same when adapting Canon's best L-lenses to the Sony system.

Those are things to consider, and it is not just a $ proposition. When I do an all-day shoot, the Sony bodies were never as comfortable as the Canon or Nikon bodies for me, personally. Ergonomics count. Some prefer the block and sharp-edges of the Sony bodies as they feel like solid-billet metal.

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