Anyone making a living without shooting weddings?

As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
Yup. And we employ part time and full time photographers not to shoot weddings as well. Be a cold day in hell before we photograph a wedding.
It's reassuring to know that. Being a relative newbie to the whole thing. All I hear about around here is you have to shoot weddings. Oh, BTW if you need someone for a shoot in Newfoundland sometime, Look me up. :-)

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I photographed them professionally for over 30 years, and stopped advertising for them a few years ago. I don't miss them at all. I would photograph one as a gift for a friend before I do one for money at this point. I am mostly photographing products, business portraits, and a ton of client artwork to reproduce. That is the best niche I have found- large-format printing.

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I shot weddings as a weekend warrior about 25 years ago, on film, with my wife as assistant. I never really enjoyed it that much, but I did learn a lot and gained a lot of confidence. We gave up when my daughter was born, and I've never missed it.

These days, when things are actually working, I shoot conferences, which is similar work but much less stressful, and generally a lot more enjoyable. I also work a lot with small businesses on web and promotional stuff, product shots and business portraiture.

I leave wedding photography to those who enjoy it and are better at it than me. ;)
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
Yup. And we employ part time and full time photographers not to shoot weddings as well. Be a cold day in hell before we photograph a wedding.
It's reassuring to know that. Being a relative newbie to the whole thing. All I hear about around here is you have to shoot weddings. Oh, BTW if you need someone for a shoot in Newfoundland sometime, Look me up. :-)
Do you like shooting running events?

Do you like getting up at 5am on a Saturday or Sunday or both?
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
Yup. And we employ part time and full time photographers not to shoot weddings as well. Be a cold day in hell before we photograph a wedding.
It's reassuring to know that. Being a relative newbie to the whole thing. All I hear about around here is you have to shoot weddings. Oh, BTW if you need someone for a shoot in Newfoundland sometime, Look me up. :-)
Do you like shooting running events?

Do you like getting up at 5am on a Saturday or Sunday or both?
I am up at 5am or earlier every day. I have a son who has autism and my internal clock is now completely programmed to him. I am done around 930-1030 every night with nothing left in the tank. But early is no problem for me.

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
Yep, that's pretty much the deal.

"Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't."
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
How do you market that as a separate product not connected to the wedding photography? How do you get them in for bridals when everything has turned into a last-minute dash for the finish by the time the bride gets the dress?
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
Thank you for the information. I have a few tricks up my sleeve, I also own a marketing business, so I can play around with different ways to market us. The one thing I have going is that locally, there are not many people who are actually full time photographers doing it as one of their main income jobs. I think I can break into some diversified areas here when it comes to commercial and product photography that no one has thought of before.

Going to be a ride for sure!

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
How do you market that as a separate product not connected to the wedding photography? How do you get them in for bridals when everything has turned into a last-minute dash for the finish by the time the bride gets the dress?
Pretty much the same way some physicians only cater to boutique patients, don't advertise and won't deliver babies. It's just a different lane to travel. Thankfully our bridals don't have to rush most of the time. Perhaps less paperwork/tradition/restrictions and more satisfaction/income.

Referrals – divorce party (irony); glam/soft/boudoir stuff with one or more significant others; headshots done (real property broker); housing photographed for insurance purposes; family reunion on an expansive waterfront property; lingerie shoot done and seven (7), 40x50in. prints for her Lingerie Store's windows and walls.. wants them done same day..prints too. [edited; brevity]

Day in the life: Before getting older and tired, a day could be.. Meet on the sand (Panama City beach, FL) at 4am; setup before daybreak; shoot client in hot, horribly heavy poofy ballgown that takes 3-5 people to lift if it gets soaked; Back on the beach midday for beach/pool shoot; Enroute to New Orleans (one example) for Bridal / girls night out / "What happens in New Orleans, stays in New Orleans; French Quarter shoot", etc.. Back to Florida before breakfast (600 mile round trip, courtesy of a Cessna 210). So much more than meets the eye, but that's the gist. Wedding might happen 6 weeks later.

I stopped publishing our contact info years ago. Typical of the industry = wedding expo stuff, web site SEO, pay-per-click, this and that... (shakes head), For me, there's just too many things wrong with that whole concept of doing business; antiquated. *However, I concede that what works for one doesn't work for another so I'm not frowning upon anything anyone else is doing. I just think a lot of the typical routes in photography are counter productive if getting paid is the primary goal. The wedding game is one of the worst ROI's in photography in my view for the average photographer who really wants to do a great job in that field.

I appreciate all of the interesting differences in how others do things and why it makes sense for them.

Best in photography to all of you

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Teila K. Day
http://teiladay.com
 
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As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
Thank you for the information. I have a few tricks up my sleeve, I also own a marketing business, so I can play around with different ways to market us. The one thing I have going is that locally, there are not many people who are actually full time photographers doing it as one of their main income jobs. I think I can break into some diversified areas here when it comes to commercial and product photography that no one has thought of before.

Going to be a ride for sure!
I'm sure you'll make a great business out of your vision.
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
Thank you for the information. I have a few tricks up my sleeve, I also own a marketing business, so I can play around with different ways to market us. The one thing I have going is that locally, there are not many people who are actually full time photographers doing it as one of their main income jobs. I think I can break into some diversified areas here when it comes to commercial and product photography that no one has thought of before.

Going to be a ride for sure!
I'm sure you'll make a great business out of your vision.
Thank you for the words of encouragement. I cannot work for anyone else at this point, it's just not in my make up. So this HAS to work. Sure there will be growing pains, but my wife and I are commited to kicking butt and taking names with our new businesses.

Time for our lives to revolve around US not others we work for.

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
We shot weddings for a time. Did some basic math and analyzed the work-income-worry ratio; like in big business, often things parted out, are worth far more than the whole. We nixed the wedding ceremony aspect, but focused on the bridal, personal glamour stuff (back to my roots I suppose), and haven't looked back-- the result is a far better work-to-income ratio. Nothing is better than having shot bridal/glam/ball gown session and not having to worry about actual wedding stuff. The feeling is like those physicians who work 9-5, no call, no weekends, no holidays ... working for a pharmaceutical, getting paid more, for doing less, with less financial exposure, outlay and paperwork. Looking back, the event shoots were also less work, more fun, and better ROI (time being your investment). For our group anyway.

Find yourself a captive audience so you don't have to advertise like every other Tom, **** and Harry. If you do business the same way as everyone else... you make the same kind of money. Dance to your own music if you're mostly interested in the bottom line.

Know that 'word of mouth' is what makes the world go-'round. Offer what others don't, won't, or can't.

Go get'm tiger!
Thank you for the information. I have a few tricks up my sleeve, I also own a marketing business, so I can play around with different ways to market us. The one thing I have going is that locally, there are not many people who are actually full time photographers doing it as one of their main income jobs. I think I can break into some diversified areas here when it comes to commercial and product photography that no one has thought of before.

Going to be a ride for sure!
I'm sure you'll make a great business out of your vision.
Thank you for the words of encouragement. I cannot work for anyone else at this point, it's just not in my make up.
...You're going to be successful!

Music to my ears. Someone with an aversion to drinking the I-have-to-work-for-someone-else-and-get-paid-peanuts while making them money.
So this HAS to work. Sure there will be growing pains, but my wife and I are commited to kicking butt and taking names with our new businesses.
There are few things in life as satisfying as being financially sound, comfortable, and independent. Do not be afraid to buck the system and go against convention, because often that's where the money is. Do not flinch when someone tears into you and or your work, especially if they earn a fraction of your photography income. Keep doing your thing and focus on what's most important to you and your business.
Time for our lives to revolve around US not others we work for.
... and the congregation rose and said "amen".

I'm rooting hard for you and your wife!

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Teila K. Day
http://teiladay.com
 
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Thank you so much. We just got our first piece of equipment today, a second ultrasharp dell monitor to go along with my touchscreen for editing. The new desktop computer gets here on thursday or friday, then to setup my new workspace. Next up is some lighting, video rig items and a new panasonic FZ2500 for video work.

Bring it on now. I am getting excited.

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 
Thank you so much. We just got our first piece of equipment today, a second ultrasharp dell monitor to go along with my touchscreen for editing. The new desktop computer gets here on thursday or friday, then to setup my new workspace. Next up is some lighting, video rig items and a new panasonic FZ2500 for video work.

Bring it on now. I am getting excited.
Please keep us up-to-date on your progress, slowdowns, trials, and triumphs!

Caution not to get too into the gear though - buy what you need with room to grow while keeping an eagle eye on direct and indirect costs. That said, there's nothing like having a fresh start, opening boxes, and having the equipment that you need.

Best in photography to both of you

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Teila K. Day
http://teiladay.com
 
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Thank you so much. We just got our first piece of equipment today, a second ultrasharp dell monitor to go along with my touchscreen for editing. The new desktop computer gets here on thursday or friday, then to setup my new workspace. Next up is some lighting, video rig items and a new panasonic FZ2500 for video work.

Bring it on now. I am getting excited.
Please keep us up-to-date on your progress, slowdowns, trials, and triumphs!

Caution not to get too into the gear though - buy what you need with room to grow while keeping an eagle eye on direct and indirect costs. That said, there's nothing like having a fresh start, opening boxes, and having the equipment that you need.

Best in photography to both of you
Will do. I am using the gear I already have, just adding the FZ2500 for video duties (it takes amazing videos), and purchasing a used Autel Drone locally. It's in like new condition and 1/2 the price of new as the owner purchased a smaller unit. I want the bigger one since I can see it better while in the air.

I will keep a log of things that go right, and things that go wrong while moving forward.

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
I spent my career shooting tens of thousands of assignments for newspapers, magazines, wire and PR. While individual assignments rarely pay top dollar, there is a constant demand to shoot creative images of events and illustrate stories on tight deadlines. You need to know what you are doing, though, and work fast with confidence.
 
As the title says, anyone making a living without shooting weddings?
I spent my career shooting tens of thousands of assignments for newspapers, magazines, wire and PR. While individual assignments rarely pay top dollar, there is a constant demand to shoot creative images of events and illustrate stories on tight deadlines. You need to know what you are doing, though, and work fast with confidence.
Yes, I am confident. I know what I am doing and have an eye for things. I am starting this week calling various businesses etc. right now with the world the way it is, I have to get creative however.

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One Lens, No Problem
The Point and Shoot Pro
 

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