Do You Wish Sony Had In Camera Processing?

Just coming back to this "old" thread. I've been using a desktop computer with two monitors ( 27 and 24") for over 10 years for processing / rendering my shots, I even refuse to use a notebook for that, unless it's an emergency and a desktop is unavailable! For me, photo cameras ( as feature loaded as they may be ) are for taking photos, occasionally film clips!

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If there were a way to make it so it shoots with presets you load I'd be open to it. I've got hundreds of them...generally use less than 10 of them. I think it's a cool idea and could save a ton of time.

This subject screams out "amateur"

JohnWick4001 said:

This subject screams out "amateur"

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So???

This is a no-brainer. If you don't want it, you don't use it, but more options are always good. Also, in-camera processing would give us:

• Pixel shift RAWs in camera(!)
• Focus stacking RAWs in camera(!)

The only people saying no are the true "brand advocates" who have to pooh pooh every feature that Sony leaves out. And as soon as Sony adds the feature it'll be the bee's knees to them.

I could definitely see myself tweaking some shots to share right away with friends and family, instead of leaving with a full SD card and releasing pictures later.

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Entropy512 said:

Trollmannx said:

Know that processing images takes some time - unless klikking a button and getting a predefined Instagram filter and the like - if that is wanted, ok.

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Common use case for Pentax's version of this - "oops I forgot to change my white balance settings and want to post this shot to Facebook without transferring to my PC"

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Great - that is a more convincing argument!

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Like, with my Fuji, I would expose for the highlights, take the shot as raw (however many), go into playback, hit the q button, bump the shadows, choose my film sim, change saturation, etc, hit ok, transfer the processed jpeg to my phone to share.

A big part of it is how much I like the velvia and chrome film sims (but not the same sim for every single shot, so I shot raw and selected after). Without good default jpeg profiles I might not want in-camera processing.

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This is the power of Fujifilm. The film simulations along with the ability to adjust highlights and shadows in camera makes Fujifilm cameras very powerful.

The best part about Fujifilm is that they worked out they mapped out the colors to match their film and took care of the heavy lifting.

You can do in camera raw conversion to the simulation you want, using the small screen knowing what your final product will look like on big screen.

I was a Canon shooter that had in camera conversation of raw files, but you had to do in in the small camera screen that was not color accurate.

Fujifilm’s implementation is the best, due to prebuilt film simulations.

I know shoot Sony for the last 7 years, but dabbled in Fuji X-H1 2 years ago.

Color me impressed. I might actually get the GFX 100s, because it ticks all the boxes for me!

In this era of instant gratification, Fujifilm’s film simulations really stand out.

Lucas_ said:

Just coming back to this "old" thread. I've been using a desktop computer with two monitors ( 27 and 24") for over 10 years for processing / rendering my shots, I even refuse to use a notebook for that, unless it's an emergency and a desktop is unavailable! For me, photo cameras ( as feature loaded as they may be ) are for taking photos, occasionally film clips!

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As far as emergencies - that's why I wish Sony's cameras had better external interfaces to mobile devices.

It's incredibly shortsighted that when we have phones vastly more powerful than what people were using to process 24+ megapixel images in the early days of shooting raw on DSLRs, we still can't transfer raw images to a phone when using a Sony camera.

One of my lighter use cases is when I post a shot from an event I'm at to Facebook, often with a comment of something like "You're missing out! Event continues for 2 hours, come on down!" (well, WAS a common use case before COVID...) - sometimes I'd want to make a minor white balance adjustment, and it's nearly impossible to do that with Sony cameras using only my phone. (Yeah, there are hacks involving wireless routers running wireless-to-USB gateways and such, but those are not even remotely convenient.)

Entropy512 said:

It's incredibly shortsighted that when we have phones vastly more powerful than what people were using to process 24+ megapixel images in the early days of shooting raw on DSLRs, we still can't transfer raw images to a phone when using a Sony camera.

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Nemas problemas.

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body). Or install the OpenMemories FTP-client app in the camera and do as for generation 3+4 bodys below.

Sony gen 3+4 bodys have FTP-client in body. Send to free FTP-server app on mobile.

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lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

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That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi. Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

Entropy512 said:

lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

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That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi.

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Like a bumble bee that don't know it can't fly but does it anyway so do I.

But in my case I just took an image of some fruit with my A7RII, direct connect Wifi to my mobile and then I started the Remote Control app on my camera body and then went into the Imaging Edge app on my Android smartphone and choose to transfer RAW (sorry for swedish menus). It is placed in exactly the same place in the menus in Imaging Edge as it was on the former mobile app (the three vertical dots selects format).


I choose RAW and then transferred to my mobile.


And here the file is on my mobile (uncompressed RAW).


I picked the image up with Lightroom mobile on my smartphone and synched it to my Win 10 PCs Lightroom.

As I said, nemas problemas. But as I also wrote, it only works on gen 1+2 bodys this way.

Entropy512 said:

Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

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For gen 3+4 use the built in FTP client in the body instead, it has been around since 1971 so nothing new there.

FTP also works fine with gen 1+2 bodys with the OpenMemories app so then all body works the same and there are plenty of free FTP-server apps for mobiles.

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Mirrorless, mirrorless on the wall, say which is the best camera of them all?
Some images:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64169208
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64221482

Once you get spoilt with it, you want it. Good for travel or non PC work.

Entropy512 said:

lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

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That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi. Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

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There are several ways to do it once its set up, I have the A7C. And it is effortless to get the images to my device once its set up.

1. On your camera turn of Send to smart phone and control with smart phone.

2. Connect your camera and smart phone to the same wifi. It can be the same wireless network if you are inside or it can be the hotspot if you are in the field.

3. Start up and configure Sony's Transfer and Tagging app. It will give you the FTP IP, username, and password to use.

4. Configure one of the ftp servers on the phone using the information you received in 3.

5. Select whether you want to ftp as you shoot, (This is what I use and I don't have to think about it) whether you want to upload RAW, JPEG or RAW+JPEG.

6. Take your pictures and watch them download to the app.

From there I either do a quick edit and share, upload the pics to Amazon, or print it out on my fuji instax printer. I would also add that you can FTP directly to your computer if you can access it via the internet or once you are in your home. Its pretty slick...

Good luck with it.

jhunna said:

Entropy512 said:

lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

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That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi. Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

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There are several ways to do it once its set up, I have the A7C. And it is effortless to get the images to my device once its set up.

1. On your camera turn of Send to smart phone and control with smart phone.

2. Connect your camera and smart phone to the same wifi. It can be the same wireless network if you are inside or it can be the hotspot if you are in the field.

3. Start up and configure Sony's Transfer and Tagging app. It will give you the FTP IP, username, and password to use.

4. Configure one of the ftp servers on the phone using the information you received in 3.

5. Select whether you want to ftp as you shoot, (This is what I use and I don't have to think about it) whether you want to upload RAW, JPEG or RAW+JPEG.

6. Take your pictures and watch them download to the app.

From there I either do a quick edit and share, upload the pics to Amazon, or print it out on my fuji instax printer. I would also add that you can FTP directly to your computer if you can access it via the internet or once you are in your home. Its pretty slick...
Good luck with it.

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From: https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/app/transfer/en/faqs/index.php

"Can I transfer RAW or HEIF images?
Generally, only JPEG images can be transferred using the Transfer & Tagging add-on. If you are using an iPhone or iPad, you can also transfer HEIF images. You can transfer (import) HEIF images, edit their metadata, and upload them via FTP, but you cannot trim or resize HEIF images."

Which is my experience as well. How do you get the Transfer and Tagging Add On app to do RAW?

lattesweden said:

From: https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/app/transfer/en/faqs/index.php

"Can I transfer RAW or HEIF images?
Generally, only JPEG images can be transferred using the Transfer & Tagging add-on. If you are using an iPhone or iPad, you can also transfer HEIF images. You can transfer (import) HEIF images, edit their metadata, and upload them via FTP, but you cannot trim or resize HEIF images."

Which is my experience as well. How do you get the Transfer and Tagging Add On app to do RAW?

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I stand corrected. I had set my camera to JPEG when doing it with the Transfer and Tagging Add On app.

I did transfer RAW images, on my android phone, but I didn't use the the Transfer App.

I used an ftp server that I ran directly on Android. Its called FTP server, by Banana Software. Once configured, you put the settings into your camera, and then it will transfer both .ARW files and JPEG files.


FTP server on my phone configured to receive


I have server 1configured for my ipad and the Transfer App, and Server 2 configured for my Android phone.


Notice the ip address matches the FTP server on my phone


Configured to Auto Transfer RAW and JPEG to Server 2 over my wifi.


The .ARW and .jpg files on my phone.

That's pretty much it, no its not simple or direct but it is possible to get both RAW and JPEGS sent to your phone as you shoot.

jhunna said:

lattesweden said:

From: https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/app/transfer/en/faqs/index.php

"Can I transfer RAW or HEIF images?
Generally, only JPEG images can be transferred using the Transfer & Tagging add-on. If you are using an iPhone or iPad, you can also transfer HEIF images. You can transfer (import) HEIF images, edit their metadata, and upload them via FTP, but you cannot trim or resize HEIF images."

Which is my experience as well. How do you get the Transfer and Tagging Add On app to do RAW?

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I stand corrected. I had set my camera to JPEG when doing it with the Transfer and Tagging Add On app.

I did transfer RAW images, on my android phone, but I didn't use the the Transfer App.

I used an ftp server that I ran directly on Android. Its called FTP server, by Banana Software. Once configured, you put the settings into your camera, and then it will transfer both .ARW files and JPEG files.


FTP server on my phone configured to receive


I have server 1configured for my ipad and the Transfer App, and Server 2 configured for my Android phone.


Notice the ip address matches the FTP server on my phone


Configured to Auto Transfer RAW and JPEG to Server 2 over my wifi.


The .ARW and .jpg files on my phone.

That's pretty much it, no its not simple or direct but it is possible to get both RAW and JPEGS sent to your phone as you shoot.

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I do FTP from my Sony bodys in a similar way to my Android phone sending RAW-files, just using another free FTP-server app than the one you show. Works fine.

It is somewhat odd though that Sonys own Transfer and Tagging add on app doesn't allow RAW. Also for many beginners on the Internet using FTP and configuration of IP-addresses seems scary. When I started on the Internet 30 years ago the http web protocol wasn't invented so we used a lot of FTP and other services back then that now seems almost lost knowledge outside of the it-industry, where we still use it.

I think FTP has its advantages being so compatible with everything but it would be good if Sony did their own FTP-server app for mobiles and computers that could auto-configure the connection.

One can btw set up Lightroom to auto import images from a folder. That folder can be the inbound folder for the FTP. Some Sony bodys like the A9 does well with this since one can set it to always send to the same folder, but other bodys like the A7III always send each transfer session to a newly named folder. It seems Sony might fix this on the A7III on a coming firmware update this spring (Source for that info is the documentation for the Sony Visual Story app).

I have also tried to get Adobe to implement a FTP-server on the CC-cloud. That would give us the possibility to shot RAW-files via just any Wifi-connection to one owns CC-cloud.



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Mirrorless, mirrorless on the wall, say which is the best camera of them all?
Some images:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64169208
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64221482

jhunna said:

Entropy512 said:

lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

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That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi. Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

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There are several ways to do it once its set up, I have the A7C. And it is effortless to get the images to my device once its set up.

1. On your camera turn of Send to smart phone and control with smart phone.

2. Connect your camera and smart phone to the same wifi. It can be the same wireless network if you are inside or it can be the hotspot if you are in the field.

3. Start up and configure Sony's Transfer and Tagging app. It will give you the FTP IP, username, and password to use.

4. Configure one of the ftp servers on the phone using the information you received in 3.

5. Select whether you want to ftp as you shoot, (This is what I use and I don't have to think about it) whether you want to upload RAW, JPEG or RAW+JPEG.

6. Take your pictures and watch them download to the app.

From there I either do a quick edit and share, upload the pics to Amazon, or print it out on my fuji instax printer. I would also add that you can FTP directly to your computer if you can access it via the internet or once you are in your home. Its pretty slick...
Good luck with it.

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This requires me to transfer (and wait for the transfer to complete) every single image taken by my camera (via 2.4 GHz wifi in the case of the A7M3), as opposed to only transferring a raw file when I feel that it needs additional work.

So no, that's not effortless and it doesn't work "perfectly". It's not a valid solution.

Entropy512 said:

jhunna said:

Entropy512 said:

lattesweden said:

Sony gen 1 + 2 bodys can transfer RAW to mobile to the Imaging Edge app (use in conjunction with the in camera remote control app in latest version on the body).

Click to expand...

That is not true and never has been true. IEM (nor its predecessor PMM) have ever been able to transfer raw files - it isn't an app limitation, it's a camera-side limitation. NOTHING can pull a raw file from a Sony E-mount camera via wifi. Not from A6000, not from A6300, not from A6500, not from A7M3 unless you use the poor workaround of FTP hacks which are inferior in workflow/usability to even Sony's horrible IEM app.

Click to expand...

There are several ways to do it once its set up, I have the A7C. And it is effortless to get the images to my device once its set up.

1. On your camera turn of Send to smart phone and control with smart phone.

2. Connect your camera and smart phone to the same wifi. It can be the same wireless network if you are inside or it can be the hotspot if you are in the field.

3. Start up and configure Sony's Transfer and Tagging app. It will give you the FTP IP, username, and password to use.

4. Configure one of the ftp servers on the phone using the information you received in 3.

5. Select whether you want to ftp as you shoot, (This is what I use and I don't have to think about it) whether you want to upload RAW, JPEG or RAW+JPEG.

6. Take your pictures and watch them download to the app.

From there I either do a quick edit and share, upload the pics to Amazon, or print it out on my fuji instax printer. I would also add that you can FTP directly to your computer if you can access it via the internet or once you are in your home. Its pretty slick...
Good luck with it.

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This requires me to transfer (and wait for the transfer to complete) every single image taken by my camera (via 2.4 GHz wifi in the case of the A7M3), as opposed to only transferring a raw file when I feel that it needs additional work.

So no, that's not effortless and it doesn't work "perfectly". It's not a valid solution.

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Its perfect for me. I do it over 5ghz, and it is effortless as I can take multiple pictures even when ftp is uploading. No slowdown, etc... you need to update your equipment/tech or stay behind.

Entropy512 said:

jhunna said:

From there I either do a quick edit and share, upload the pics to Amazon, or print it out on my fuji instax printer. I would also add that you can FTP directly to your computer if you can access it via the internet or once you are in your home. Its pretty slick...
Good luck with it.

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This requires me to transfer (and wait for the transfer to complete) every single image taken by my camera (via 2.4 GHz wifi in the case of the A7M3), as opposed to only transferring a raw file when I feel that it needs additional work.

So no, that's not effortless and it doesn't work "perfectly". It's not a valid solution.

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I also have the option to upload the files when I want to not only as I shoot. You can make it what you want, if you stop trying to find issues with the process.

jhunna said:

Its perfect for me. I do it over 5ghz, and it is effortless as I can take multiple pictures even when ftp is uploading. No slowdown, etc... you need to update your equipment/tech or stay behind.

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Um, dude, there is no A7M4.

And before you insist that I buy an A1 - I'm not spending $6500 to solve Sony's braindead design. A7S3 has too low resolution, A7Ranything can't do full sensor width video without pixel skipping or binning.

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Entropy512 said:

jhunna said:

Its perfect for me. I do it over 5ghz, and it is effortless as I can take multiple pictures even when ftp is uploading. No slowdown, etc... you need to update your equipment/tech or stay behind.

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Um, dude, there is no A7M4.

And before you insist that I buy an A1 - I'm not spending $6500 to solve Sony's braindead design. A7S3 has too low resolution, A7Ranything can't do full sensor width video without pixel skipping or binning.

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I don't get your anger. But at some point you have to update to take advantage of the newer functionality, an A7C would do it, but its not enough of a leap over your a73 and you probably don't like the small view finder. It would be good if a firmware update could do it, but sometimes that's not the case.

Also I grant you that Sony's file share set up isn't intuitive, but it does exist.