Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter

The 32mm can "match" R/F image quality on the M6 II in my dealings with them. That 32mm has something special to it, it's not just f/1.4, it has excellent colors, bokeh quality (not just f/1.4) and contrast rendition, and, crazy sharp almost no vignette blah blah blah.
It's not just sharpness. I find it hard to describe what factors are contributing to the excellent IQ. I don't really love use esoteric nonsense language, but it looks like there's some magic involved. ;)
The 11-22 comes pretty close to being an L, but not quite.
Yes, but that one is just sharp, but can sometimes be just a bit dull. It's not as bad as the ef-s 55-250mm stm. That's a sharp lens too, but I find the pics coming from it just very dull. Don't know why. But it's a lens clearly showing IQ is more than just sharpness. Lot's of sharpness, no magic.
The 32/1.4 on the other hand, except for lacking weather seal and USM motor, needs a red ring.

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Parking, comes with a fine for COVID restrictions? Genuinely curious the story as we have nothing state-side like that, yet.
The local government is trying to avoid to have touristic crowds in these very small cities, and one way to do that is not allowing to park your car. I should have gone by bike. ;)
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You still have that Rokinon 12mm? I found the Rokinon's "sing" on the M6 II. Sure it's manual focus, but those lenses have real "bite" to them.
Yeah, I still have it. And yes, I'm gonna try that one for sure. That's also a lens with a nice look. :) It gives a classic feel to the images.
 
I want that last 10%. I don't want to have to make the choice between single point AF and my too slow response vs the eye tracking without that user lag but loosing the eye too soon. Hate it.
 
I want that last 10%. I don't want to have to make the choice between single point AF and my too slow response vs the eye tracking without that user lag but loosing the eye too soon. Hate it.
For me, the question was whether that last 10% was worth an extra $2700 (I paid $1100 for a refurbished R in perfect condition). And the answer was definitely not. At least not right now, when my chances to use it are so limited. I find that focusing on the amazing things a camera can do (that no camera could do just a few years ago), as opposed to the even more amazing things that it can't do, is the key to happiness with photography. Unless you have unlimited piles of cash lying around, that is.
 
I want that last 10%. I don't want to have to make the choice between single point AF and my too slow response vs the eye tracking without that user lag but loosing the eye too soon. Hate it.
For me, the question was whether that last 10% was worth an extra $2700 (I paid $1100 for a refurbished R in perfect condition). And the answer was definitely not. At least not right now, when my chances to use it are so limited. I find that focusing on the amazing things a camera can do (that no camera could do just a few years ago), as opposed to the even more amazing things that it can't do, is the key to happiness with photography. Unless you have unlimited piles of cash lying around, that is.
It's all about priories. Some need 85mm f/1.2 without fringing. Some need a 70-200mm f/2.8. Some need an RF 24-70mm with in lens stabilization. Some need 50mm f/1.2 with AF. Some need a 100-500mm. Some need even brighter and longer big whites. Some need a light weight walk around standard zoom next to an f/2.0 standard zoom. Some need a native brand speedlite. Some need a control ring adapter.

I don't. I'm perfectly happy without all these things.

But I do want that 10% better AF. And yes, believe it or not, for me it's worth the extra costs. It's just me I guess.
 
Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter.

Last time I did landscapes 50mm turned out to be quite unusable for that purpose, so this time I thought "That was a very good Idea, let's do that again."
Excellent idea and I applaud your perseverance! It’s important to present yourself with new challenges, both technical and creative.
This time I didn't test the manual focus assist of the R at f/1.2 & longer distances, but I used the M6mkII + ef-m 32mm f/1.4 in stead. The viewfinder was in the bag, but I didn't use it (R2 is having a bad influence on me, it's all his fault).
Excellent idea too to shift any possible blame! :-D
Not only did I use AF, I also stopped down, even beyond the dla. So the gear side of things allowed me to pay full attention to composition, and so did the scenes, and last but not least the light. (so no excuses for failures this time)
It’s indeed a lot of fun actually stopping yourself and taking the time to perform an exercise such as this, working all the angles.
One time I switched to the 11-22mm. At least one other time (last two pictures) I should have done that, but I was too late as the skaters were going home (and they should have done that hours before actually, as the ice wasn't reliable anymore). Maybe number 12 is calling for a wider angle too, although the best answer might be to just leave it out of this series, as there's 11 too.

I liked the flip up screen of the M6mkII. I could have done all these pics with the R + 24-70mm, however, this was definitely more fun.
Yup, quick and easy is the hallmark of this camera! :-)

It’s still my favorite for general shooting by far!
Don't you ever hesitate to peep the pixels as much as you like, and you're welcome to critique everything you think I could have done better. Thanks for watching.
This is a lot of pics! I’ll add just a couple of thoughts (having not read the thread yet)...
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I think #1 could use a little chopped off the bottom. In this composition it’s superfluous.
But in #2 that’s not the case.
In #3 I like the tree border on the left, and would like to see just a leetle bit more.

I’m glad you not only changed your shooting position horizontally in these, but also vertically (sometimes that gets neglected). The quick-adjusting tilt screen really helps with that, eh? ;-)
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#4 When swapping focal lengths, what can often cause people to stumble compositionally is when they try to mimic the FOV of another lens without taking into account the difference in perspective. This can lead to boring compositions. I’m very guilty of this and have to work hard to overcome the tendency.

When shooting landscapes with a “boring old” 50mm (equiv) lens, it becomes especially important to apply all the compositional aids found in your toolbox (I won’t try to list them all here, but everyone knows what they are). :-)

It looks like you’re trying all that, and I thank you for posting your lesson here! You’ve inspired me to go out and do the same with my new little fisheye. Kudos!

Congrats on your new kit ‘Storm. And happy shooting!

R2

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I'm really talking first world "problems" here. Both the R and the M6mkII are 300% better for candid portraits over DSLR's. Nonetheless I still want it a bit better.
Isn’t it amazing how quickly we get used to the “new normal?” More more more!
They really should speed up those vaccination programs as everybody is getting really tired now of the whole Covid situation. I hate to work online. And as far as I can see next summer will be wasted too. I want to visit a Mediterranean city with friends, have a walk, and drink sangria afterwards without all that distance
Egad. Myself as well. The progress is so slow here (in Wisconsin, USA). I pray I don’t lose any family members before the vaccine gets to us. Lost my dad (to heart failure) a couple of weeks ago and that was hard enough. Trying to keep my mom going now (a full-time job for my sis and me).

Anyway, I got away to shoot some eagles yesterday. :-D

Put the R5 in an old-fashioned Center AF point mode (with assist points), and it did wonderfully. Much better than the Animal Eye detect I had tried a couple of weeks ago. Lots faster to lock on, and waaay more consistent.
****. I want to pay the price of the R5, the RF 24-70 & 70-200 f/2.8 and the RF 50mm f/1.2 too, just to do that.
Now THAT’S a plan :-D . I hope it comes to fruition for you soon!

R2

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Experience comes from bad judgment.
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Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter.

Last time I did landscapes 50mm turned out to be quite unusable for that purpose, so this time I thought "That was a very good Idea, let's do that again."
Excellent idea and I applaud your perseverance! It’s important to present yourself with new challenges, both technical and creative.
This time I didn't test the manual focus assist of the R at f/1.2 & longer distances, but I used the M6mkII + ef-m 32mm f/1.4 in stead. The viewfinder was in the bag, but I didn't use it (R2 is having a bad influence on me, it's all his fault).
Excellent idea too to shift any possible blame! :-D
:-) ;-)
Not only did I use AF, I also stopped down, even beyond the dla. So the gear side of things allowed me to pay full attention to composition, and so did the scenes, and last but not least the light. (so no excuses for failures this time)
It’s indeed a lot of fun actually stopping yourself and taking the time to perform an exercise such as this, working all the angles.
One time I switched to the 11-22mm. At least one other time (last two pictures) I should have done that, but I was too late as the skaters were going home (and they should have done that hours before actually, as the ice wasn't reliable anymore). Maybe number 12 is calling for a wider angle too, although the best answer might be to just leave it out of this series, as there's 11 too.

I liked the flip up screen of the M6mkII. I could have done all these pics with the R + 24-70mm, however, this was definitely more fun.
Yup, quick and easy is the hallmark of this camera! :-)

It’s still my favorite for general shooting by far!
Don't you ever hesitate to peep the pixels as much as you like, and you're welcome to critique everything you think I could have done better. Thanks for watching.
This is a lot of pics! I’ll add just a couple of thoughts (having not read the thread yet)...
I think #1 could use a little chopped off the bottom. In this composition it’s superfluous.
In that case I will loose the repeating of the reflections. I liked the silverish appearance, but it's not perfect. The horizon isn't strait. Maybe it's just not a keeper.
But in #2 that’s not the case.
Yes, but there's less emptiness. At least horizontally. You could argue the needed amount of emptiness is found in the foreground. Probably that's what makes it work. That nice silverish appearance of the ice is not so much in this picture.
In #3 I like the tree border on the left, and would like to see just a leetle bit more.
I've tried that, but it doesn't work. When the tree is cut off it helps a bit for framing the subject. When it's not it draws a bit attention to it self. At my 50mm equivalence I would also loose too much empty space at the right side. There's also no room for backing up, as I'm on the tike, and backing up will result in a not low enough point of view.
I’m glad you not only changed your shooting position horizontally in these, but also vertically (sometimes that gets neglected). The quick-adjusting tilt screen really helps with that, eh? ;-)
04 Wijk bij Duurstede
04 Wijk bij Duurstede
#4 When swapping focal lengths, what can often cause people to stumble compositionally is when they try to mimic the FOV of another lens without taking into account the difference in perspective. This can lead to boring compositions. I’m very guilty of this and have to work hard to overcome the tendency.

When shooting landscapes with a “boring old” 50mm (equiv) lens, it becomes especially important to apply all the compositional aids found in your toolbox (I won’t try to list them all here, but everyone knows what they are). :-)
I wouldn't mind if you did actually. :)

For me the advantage of a 50mm is the natural look. What you see is what you get.
It looks like you’re trying all that, and I thank you for posting your lesson here! You’ve inspired me to go out and do the same with my new little fisheye. Kudos!
Thank you very much for your compliments.
Congrats on your new kit ‘Storm. And happy shooting!

R2
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I love 50mm (equivalence)
 
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I'm really talking first world "problems" here. Both the R and the M6mkII are 300% better for candid portraits over DSLR's. Nonetheless I still want it a bit better.
Isn’t it amazing how quickly we get used to the “new normal?” More more more!
They really should speed up those vaccination programs as everybody is getting really tired now of the whole Covid situation. I hate to work online. And as far as I can see next summer will be wasted too. I want to visit a Mediterranean city with friends, have a walk, and drink sangria afterwards without all that distance
Egad. Myself as well. The progress is so slow here (in Wisconsin, USA). I pray I don’t lose any family members before the vaccine gets to us. Lost my dad (to heart failure) a couple of weeks ago and that was hard enough.
I'm sorry to hear that R2.
Trying to keep my mom going now (a full-time job for my sis and me).
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Anyway, I got away to shoot some eagles yesterday. :-D

Put the R5 in an old-fashioned Center AF point mode (with assist points), and it did wonderfully. Much better than the Animal Eye detect I had tried a couple of weeks ago. Lots faster to lock on, and waaay more consistent.
****. I want to pay the price of the R5, the RF 24-70 & 70-200 f/2.8 and the RF 50mm f/1.2 too, just to do that.
Now THAT’S a plan :-D . I hope it comes to fruition for you soon!

R2
It's among the things you can't buy. At least I can dream.
 
Can you believe it? This is just one week after the winter pics in my own backyard. T-shirt weather! Same camera, same lens.



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and back to the 32mm.....
and back to the 32mm.....











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I love 50mm (equivalence)
 
I hope you don't mind, but I tried cropping a few of your images to change the composition. While you images are sharp and well exposed, they seem to lack any true focal point. The first time I quickly scrolled through the images, I didn't even realize there were skaters and only looked for them after reading your text.



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For the shot above, I would suggest shooting from a lower angle so the distant horizon wasn't cutting through the bushes. Also, I would suggest focusing closer so that all of the foreground ice was in focus. Everything beyond the bush is superfluous and can be out of focus



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For me, the ice in front of the gate is far more interesting than the ice behind the gate. The plastic bag on the fence post also wasn't helping.



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It looks like something might be casting a shadow over the lower parts of the icicles which is reducing contrast. The top halves of the icicles have a nice "pop", but they lose appeal as your eye naturally drifts towards the bottom ends. Shifting the lens focus just a bit further away might have helped too.

In general, I tend to prefer tighter crops in my compositions so my personal preferences are probably not the same as your own.
 
I hope you don't mind, but I tried cropping a few of your images to change the composition.
No, not at all. I really appreciate your feedback.
While you images are sharp and well exposed, they seem to lack any true focal point. The first time I quickly scrolled through the images, I didn't even realize there were skaters and only looked for them after reading your text.

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For the shot above, I would suggest shooting from a lower angle so the distant horizon wasn't cutting through the bushes.
If you see the Ice hanging in the bushes you might get an idea why it wasn't possible to get a low enough point of view to hide the horizon. At the lowest part of the dyke there was a small slide. ;)
Also, I would suggest focusing closer so that all of the foreground ice was in focus. Everything beyond the bush is superfluous and can be out of focus
It's all about the decision what subject and what's environment. I agree with you if you want to emphasize the foreground, this part should be in focus.

But I did crop off the horizon to get more emphasis on the fence and the ice behind it, using a fence far in the background (and the reflection of that fence) as a kind of frame.

Maybe I should make a black and white version, because the ice in the foreground is a bit yellowish.
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For me, the ice in front of the gate is far more interesting than the ice behind the gate. The plastic bag on the fence post also wasn't helping.

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22 straightened and cropped

It looks like something might be casting a shadow over the lower parts of the icicles which is reducing contrast.
I agree with you. This was the last sunlight of the day. I should have been here a bit earlier.
The top halves of the icicles have a nice "pop", but they lose appeal as your eye naturally drifts towards the bottom ends. Shifting the lens focus just a bit further away might have helped too.
Yes, I regret I didn't try that at least. Most of the light was in the foreground so I decided to focus there, but the composition calls for a focus backwards.
In general, I tend to prefer tighter crops in my compositions so my personal preferences are probably not the same as your own.
I like your feedback. It's always a good thing to be aware of more preferences but your own.

Maybe for tighter framing a telephoto zoom is a better tool, especially because I really didn't want to walk on the ice. Only want to do that when I have 2 friends with me and a rope, an M100 + 24mm f/2.8 stm in stead of M6mkII + 32mm, and some serious seat heating in my car. ;)

Beside that, it's also my style not to make a very clear choice between environment and subject sometimes. Ideally there's a kind of balance or harmony between subject and environment, or, at least, that's what I'm trying, but of course not everyone sees things the way I do. Maybe this is where photography gets really interesting. :)

Maybe next time I should bring a telephoto and a wide angle and see what happens. That would make it easier to make a clear choice what is the subject (telephoto) and it will force me to think harder about if the foreground or the background is my subject.

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Can you believe it? This is just one week after the winter pics in my own backyard. T-shirt weather! Same camera, same lens.
You lucky dog!
Still snow in Wisconsin?
Love them.

R2
Thanks
ps. BTW, did you use the tilt screen? :-)
I did, R2, I did. Also with the 50-100mm shot. I always loved flip up screens over swiveling screens. It's the reason I have an M100. It pairs very nice with the Samyang 12mm or the 11-22mm.

Only downside: With a viewfinder you can back up further than with a viewfinder, because of the bigger distance eye - backscreen.
 
Can you believe it? This is just one week after the winter pics in my own backyard. T-shirt weather! Same camera, same lens.
You lucky dog!
Still snow in Wisconsin?
LOL, snowed 3 times in the last 5 days. Was -26 F last week.
Love them.

R2
Thanks
ps. BTW, did you use the tilt screen? :-)
I did, R2, I did. Also with the 50-100mm shot. I always loved flip up screens over swiveling screens. It's the reason I have an M100. It pairs very nice with the Samyang 12mm or the 11-22mm.
I keep looking at the M100 (now M200) and have come sooo close.
Only downside: With a viewfinder you can back up further than with a viewfinder, because of the bigger distance eye - backscreen.
I REALLY like being able to extend my arms so that my head/body isn't so conspicuous, esp when shooting bugs, pets, little people. Not to mention the creative opportunities afforded by all those angles you can shoot from using an LCD vs viewfinder! ...as exemplified in your last photos. :-)

R2

ps. I've been messing around with the new Laowa 65mm Macro. I'll have to post some pics later. :-D

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ps. I've been messing around with the new Laowa 65mm Macro. I'll have to post some pics later. :-D
Does that lens actually have electronic connections for passing aperture information to the camera for EXIF data? Or none at all? (I thought that some Laowa lenses had that feature, but only for EF mount. However when I looked at that, they didn't yet have EF-M mount lenses so I don't know about this one).
 
ps. I've been messing around with the new Laowa 65mm Macro. I'll have to post some pics later. :-D
Does that lens actually have electronic connections for passing aperture information to the camera for EXIF data? Or none at all? (I thought that some Laowa lenses had that feature, but only for EF mount. However when I looked at that, they didn't yet have EF-M mount lenses so I don't know about this one).
Nope, it's dumb as a post. :-)

R2
 
ps. I've been messing around with the new Laowa 65mm Macro. I'll have to post some pics later. :-D
Does that lens actually have electronic connections for passing aperture information to the camera for EXIF data? Or none at all? (I thought that some Laowa lenses had that feature, but only for EF mount. However when I looked at that, they didn't yet have EF-M mount lenses so I don't know about this one).
Nope, it's dumb as a post. :-)

R2
OK thanks! :-)
 
Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter.

Last time I did landscapes 50mm turned out to be quite unusable for that purpose, so this time I thought "That was a very good Idea, let's do that again." :-)

This time I didn't test the manual focus assist of the R at f/1.2 & longer dist
I think 50mm is a great focal length for travel and landscapes :) It really focuses on whats most important on the frame.
 
Can you believe it? This is just one week after the winter pics in my own backyard. T-shirt weather! Same camera, same lens.
You lucky dog!
Still snow in Wisconsin?
LOL, snowed 3 times in the last 5 days. Was -26 F last week.
Oh boy, that's crazy cold......
Love them.

R2
Thanks
ps. BTW, did you use the tilt screen? :-)
I did, R2, I did. Also with the 50-100mm shot. I always loved flip up screens over swiveling screens. It's the reason I have an M100. It pairs very nice with the Samyang 12mm or the 11-22mm.
I keep looking at the M100 (now M200) and have come sooo close.
Skip the M100. The M200 has the smaller AF point, the M100 doesn't. M200 is a great little camera with good AF.
Only downside: With a viewfinder you can back up further than with a viewfinder, because of the bigger distance eye - backscreen.
I REALLY like being able to extend my arms so that my head/body isn't so conspicuous, esp when shooting bugs, pets, little people. Not to mention the creative opportunities afforded by all those angles you can shoot from using an LCD vs viewfinder! ...as exemplified in your last photos. :-)
I will play with that, don't worry.
R2

ps. I've been messing around with the new Laowa 65mm Macro. I'll have to post some pics later. :-D
It's not for me, but I know you should have that lens. :) Looking forward for some results. :)
 

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