Free Panasonic SilkyPix worth the trouble?

I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?

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ARC full size
Hi ,

There is a easy fix. As Silkypix is a great and quite unique software , it works in a different way.
Thank you, now I have more image, but still DxO/C1/RT a bit wider

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I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?





ARC full size
Hi ,

There is a easy fix. As Silkypix is a great and quite unique software , it works in a different way.
Thank you, now I have more image, but still DxO/C1/RT a bit wider
hello i checked a image which is in a need of correction:

and i Agree in some points:



look at the greyed out section. (i think it's because vignetting correction this cut off.)
look at the greyed out section. (i think it's because vignetting correction this cut off.)



i took a over the max crop, (which i can't in DxO)  4797x3570 pixels exact cropped is 4689x3516
i took a over the max crop, (which i can't in DxO) 4797x3570 pixels exact cropped is 4689x3516



dxo's max crop.
dxo's max crop.

ok when i turn off the lens module in DxO THEN i have more view and pixels.



left no correction                             cropsize in optical module active dxo                   right side SP.
left no correction cropsize in optical module active dxo right side SP.

So it's true : in SP i turned off the optical correction in LAcontroller shading, distortion and CA.) (Note and important: panasonics shade correction in menu active means a burned in correction in the RW2. causing a double shade/vignetting correction in DxOPL.) (Silkypix i seeing that flag of active and doesn't do this.)

Ok now for real corrected in viewpoint 100% perspective: (i noramlly use 80%/85% to gain some extra viewangle but for the sake of comparing i use the 100%

one click does all:



no module then optical module actvie then perspective active 100%
no module then optical module actvie then perspective active 100%



see crop
see crop

now the same methode as SP:

cropped as wide as possible;



silkypix
silkypix



dxo perspective crop
dxo perspective crop

i think nearly identical.

What i find very good in silkypix is there dehazing/clarity/blacklevel/contrastbalance tools. And the two auto white balance modes to get rid of colorcasting.

DxO's WB module is far from finished. no finetune tools other then the use of local controlpoints.

i often use Silkypix's auto modes to get numbers for dxo to fill in in the WB module to get a fast corrected WB. because the eyedropper isn't get the right WB.

Dark adjustment (shadow correction in colormanagment) multilightsource comp

Silkypix has great neutralisers for shadow color correction:



pulled shadow up and sp holds the color it's only fading wile DxO got magenta.
pulled shadow up and sp holds the color it's only fading wile DxO got magenta.

ok it's a extreme high dynamic range image but let's say there is some work left for dxo.

(don't get me wrong DxOPL is a joy to work with, fast and quick in use ( ok i know my way much better in there then in spv10 (was used to UI of v5) they placed great tools and local tools in there powerfull viewpoint but i hope they catch up in some points on silkypix's power.

last compare is contrast control.

clearview plus uses micro contrast to create a combination of blacklevel and sharpening to "dehaze" wile i can choose in Silkypix a Clarity and a "dehaze" and a blacklevel.

Silkypix is simpler in use:

plain contrast, contrast centre (where does the contrast lay heavy on the tone curve) then the black level and Dehaze (dehaze is a fine adjustment of blacklevel) then a sharpening microcontrast adding "clarity"

DxO is also very customable when you have filmpack.

fine contrast, behaves a bit like "dehaze of SP.)

the threesome "highlights,midtone's Shadows" is applying sectional "sharpening"/contrasting. minus softer, plus sharper.

Clearview plus is a powerfull semi smart tool. it adds microcontrast on edges to enhances them. saturating colors at the same time. tricky because oversharping is a commen problem when used heavy. so i often use tonecurve tool to drag blacklevel section down and finecontrast to avoid oversharpening with clearview.

5 min compare of sp and dxo.

i do like the plain clear slides sp provides neatly separate use of tools against the more combining slider actions i need to do in dxo.

BUT, because i am very used to DxO's quirks i can work quick in this contrast/sharping balance act.

except the colorcasting in lowlight and shadow's.



As i wrote i am not used to use silkypix anymore but i need to train my self more because it's such a powerfull toolset with some unique assets.



sorry for the rant, i got enthousiast i gues :-D

quick edits:



dxo.
dxo.



sp
sp

and the finedetail denoising against deepprime..



fine detail
fine detail

(i hope it's my lack of skill in sp.)

deepprime default 40% against sp finedetail.



100% crop. left dxo right sp.
100% crop. left dxo right sp.

ok i am done... :-P













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Thanks.

Ps i am not using it often because i am more a learn one app very good to use instead of many used half. It clutters your pc and drain your time and money.
Exactly. I totally understand what you said. I personally tried everything over the years. CAPTURE one, DXO, Darktable, Silkypix. I mentioned my experience with them in the article.
i use Fast Raw Viewer then free adobe Bridge (tagging/keywording/ selecting)

mostly Dxopl elite suite for my editing. i have for stacking a very old "combine ZP" and now silkypixv10. creative stcking.
But Silkypix is unique. In a very good way. That's now my main and the only editor. Because at least, there is a garantee that it will support any camera Raws immediately.

For retouching and graphics, i use Affinity. For Iso from 6400 or more, i use silkypix topaz combo.

And for video, davinci resolve. For audio, audacity and for office, Libre office.
Davinci Resolve, amazing that it is freeware for personal use! i have it to.

My computer looks and feels really simple and quiet.
But i am supporting silkypix with those purchages because i like there independence in this adobe dictated playfield.
Me too. And image quality triumphs anything else. They do it well.

It's a pleasure to speak to another fellow silkypix user.

Hope you like the article and the video. Please do give me any feedback on them.
i did a quick reading of the article and i liked it.

detailed and honest.

the videoclip, i need to watch it when i am having the time to watch at the full length and speed. i think i can learn a few things about how to find things.
Kind regards.
same to you.
 
I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?
Newly back to Silkypix at V10 after years ago on V5 and something has changed.

The lens aberration controller - lens profile will not let me fiddle with barrel/pincushion correction as it used to in older versions. Memory hazy in fact on how it did work.

I see this below when I try Olympus E-P5 and Sony RX100M6 raw files and I know that the Sony has absolutely tragic barrel distortion and vignetting at "24mm" but now Silkypix V10 is hiding that control from me.

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The manual says....

This RAW cannot be corrected
This message is displayed when distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on the selected RAW data.
SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 / 10 always displays optimal development results for some RAW data without using this function.
For this reason, automatic distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on such RAW data.


That's not a lot of help to me.
 
I have just ordered a G9. Most of my RAW conversion and PP is done in LR. MY files have been Oly and I sometimes use Iridient Transformer and DXO Photolab 4 (with Prime) for better IQ and noise reduction. Both work as LR plugins. Will Silkypix work in the same way?
 
. Will Silkypix work in the same way?
Hi,

Silkypix Natively Support Panasonic and Fuji. Which means, you should expect silkypix treat the raw images of Fuji and Panasonic as Fuji would do for Fuji Raf with their own raw converter and Panasonic would do for Panasonic RW2 files with their own raw converter.

Because both of them are created by silkypix. Just like they did for Nikon.

So, color will be identical as in camera jpeg. You will have identical picture profiles, don't worry about lens correction any more. Whatever you have set in camera including Crop, will be brought over automatically in Silkypix. Plus, sharpening and NR will be done with very high quality.

Then you can do your usual editing, just like in LR.

You are in for a treat if you use Panasonic Silkypix Combo.

Specially if you prefer colour over anything else.

If you want to know more about Silkypix

I recommend you to look at the Article below :

https://lestreasurehunters.com/2020/10/04/silkypix-developer-studio-pro-10-review/

Enjoy Panny, I love that beast of a Camera.

Kind Regards.
 
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I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?
Newly back to Silkypix at V10 after years ago on V5 and something has changed.

The lens aberration controller - lens profile will not let me fiddle with barrel/pincushion correction as it used to in older versions. Memory hazy in fact on how it did work.

I see this below when I try Olympus E-P5 and Sony RX100M6 raw files and I know that the Sony has absolutely tragic barrel distortion and vignetting at "24mm" but now Silkypix V10 is hiding that control from me.

2b682dbdd32c4beca90b57f064379c0c.jpg

The manual says....

This RAW cannot be corrected
This message is displayed when distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on the selected RAW data.
SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 / 10 always displays optimal development results for some RAW data without using this function.
For this reason, automatic distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on such RAW data.


That's not a lot of help to me.
I understand the frustration.

They should have been more clear about it. So, allow me.

If you use Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus (any MFT), lens correction is done already. You just may be have to do CA control.

For smaller format of Sony camera , I don't know. But I imagine it is the similar case.

But you have one less job to do.

Kind regards.
 
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I'm interested as I have a G9 on order and only shoot RAW.
 
I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?
Newly back to Silkypix at V10 after years ago on V5 and something has changed.

The lens aberration controller - lens profile will not let me fiddle with barrel/pincushion correction as it used to in older versions. Memory hazy in fact on how it did work.

I see this below when I try Olympus E-P5 and Sony RX100M6 raw files and I know that the Sony has absolutely tragic barrel distortion and vignetting at "24mm" but now Silkypix V10 is hiding that control from me.

2b682dbdd32c4beca90b57f064379c0c.jpg

The manual says....

This RAW cannot be corrected
This message is displayed when distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on the selected RAW data.
SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 / 10 always displays optimal development results for some RAW data without using this function.
For this reason, automatic distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on such RAW data.


That's not a lot of help to me.
I understand the frustration.

They should have been more clear about it. So, allow me.

If you use Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus (any MFT), lens correction is done already. You just may be have to do CA control.

For smaller format of Sony camera , I don't know. But I imagine it is the similar case.

But you have one less job to do.
Sadly that's not the point. It should be available to undo any default auto correction as sometimes than can yield a more interesting and/or larger frame.

I certainly accept that the default profile doing the correction makes life easy, It's just that at times I want to partially or completely undo the correction for my own purposes.
 
I knew that ARC/LR and SP are applying lens correction by default, but I didn't know that it is so much. Not for all lenses and not for every focal length of the zooms.
here is example of DxO/C1/RT and blue lines are area of ARC / SP default lens correction. Can I switch it off in SP?
Newly back to Silkypix at V10 after years ago on V5 and something has changed.

The lens aberration controller - lens profile will not let me fiddle with barrel/pincushion correction as it used to in older versions. Memory hazy in fact on how it did work.

I see this below when I try Olympus E-P5 and Sony RX100M6 raw files and I know that the Sony has absolutely tragic barrel distortion and vignetting at "24mm" but now Silkypix V10 is hiding that control from me.

2b682dbdd32c4beca90b57f064379c0c.jpg

The manual says....

This RAW cannot be corrected
This message is displayed when distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on the selected RAW data.
SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 / 10 always displays optimal development results for some RAW data without using this function.
For this reason, automatic distortion correction using this function cannot be performed on such RAW data.


That's not a lot of help to me.
I understand the frustration.

They should have been more clear about it. So, allow me.

If you use Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus (any MFT), lens correction is done already. You just may be have to do CA control.

For smaller format of Sony camera , I don't know. But I imagine it is the similar case.

But you have one less job to do.
Sadly that's not the point. It should be available to undo any default auto correction as sometimes than can yield a more interesting and/or larger frame.

I certainly accept that the default profile doing the correction makes life easy, It's just that at times I want to partially or completely undo the correction for my own purposes.
Fair enough. I totally understand that bit. Is there any way to turn off the lens Correction in camera? Then Silkypix will read the Raw Exif and do the same.

Also in crop tool, press the button at the bottom right corner. I use it all the time to open up more pixels.



Kind regards.
 
Fair enough. I totally understand that bit. Is there any way to turn off the lens Correction in camera? Then Silkypix will read the Raw Exif and do the same.
No, can't be done, unless someone learns to tinker with the exif data.
Also in crop tool, press the button at the bottom right corner. I use it all the time to open up more pixels.
Yes, always used that from V2 onwards, quite useful with some cameras that have a surprising number of hidden extra pixels, and of course some don't.
 
I have just ordered a G9.
If i am right your camera is supported as camera style rendering. Which means that idyn and ires , cameracolorstyle settings is read and applied when you choose this and probably resolutionstacking also on a rw2 file.

That magenta issue was from a G9 file.(borrowed it)
Most of my RAW conversion and PP is done in LR. MY files have been Oly and I sometimes use Iridient Transformer and DXO Photolab 4 (with Prime) for better IQ and noise reduction. Both work as LR plugins. Will Silkypix work in the same way?
If LR is your editing of choice you only use the rawconversion and demosiacing plus denoising in say DxOPL?

If so i think you need to test some images you know are difficult and editted before.

Run path 1, DxOPLv4=> rw2 to tiff 16bit and there new DNG (full camera colorspace, not adobeRGB.) only conversion, color rendering, WB and optical corrections and deepprime.

Run path 2 same with Silkypix v10. Choose high detail and normal denoising, normal colorrendering and the camerastyle version. (check your menu settings on idyn and ires!)

Then process as usual in LR that 16bit tiff. And the DNG's they provide.

Compare output and proces comfort. (how much work you need to put in.)

You have 30 day trial so , setup testing and start trial after that.

(because you don't edit in first stage more then basics the lack of skills and experience in silkypix is then no factor.)

I am a dxopl fan and m43 user but if you skip all the extra's that dxoplv4 has in local corrections, cloning and repair, HSL..... Well colormanagement in silkypix is better, wb is more accurate. There natural sharpening is quite good.

And believe it or not there manual holds very much information how to use SP the best.

I hope that some of the strongholds SP has are seen by DxO and learned from that.

😀

Best way to decide is testing your self with known images and minor editing and correcting flaws. In that way you see the aid and quality a application has for you.
 
Is the composite mode available in the Panasonic-only version of SP Pro 10? I have the version purchased at the special promotion price but I can't find this option?
 
Is the composite mode available in the Panasonic-only version of SP Pro 10? I have the version purchased at the special promotion price but I can't find this option?
I own the full version, the only difference is the brands of camera raw files that can/can't be opened
 
Is the composite mode available in the Panasonic-only version of SP Pro 10? I have the version purchased at the special promotion price but I can't find this option?
They say........

SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 for Panasonic is for a Panasonic camera limited special edition.

The RAW development software "SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10 for Panasonic" has many functions such as the Compositing function, the Partial correction, and the Dehaze installed in the "SILKYPIX Developer Studio Pro10." These various functions are strongly supports the creation of your work.
Only existing Panasonic cameras are compatible, and the sales period is also limited, affordable price has been realized.

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That's on page https://silkypix.isl.co.jp/en/ext/special/dsp10pana/
 
Is the composite mode available in the Panasonic-only version of SP Pro 10? I have the version purchased at the special promotion price but I can't find this option?
I own the full version, the only difference is the brands of camera raw files that can/can't be opened
And DNG import doesn't work.
 
Is the composite mode available in the Panasonic-only version of SP Pro 10? I have the version purchased at the special promotion price but I can't find this option?
It's the stacking /// button top row.

First select multiple rawfiles or tiff or jpeg then click on this button.

It's very easy to use.
 

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