Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter

Using the unusable focal length to celebrate the slow dying of our last Covid winter.

Last time I did landscapes 50mm turned out to be quite unusable for that purpose, so this time I thought "That was a very good Idea, let's do that again."

This time I didn't test the manual focus assist of the R at f/1.2 & longer distances, but I used the M6mkII + ef-m 32mm f/1.4 in stead. The viewfinder was in the bag, but I didn't use it (R2 is having a bad influence on me, it's all his fault). Not only did I use AF, I also stopped down, even beyond the dla. So the gear side of things allowed me to pay full attention to composition, and so did the scenes, and last but not least the light. (so no excuses for failures this time :-D )

One time I switched to the 11-22mm. At least one other time (last two pictures) I should have done that, but I was too late as the skaters were going home (and they should have done that hours before actually, as the ice wasn't reliable anymore). Maybe number 12 is calling for a wider angle too, although the best answer might be to just leave it out of this series, as there's 11 too.

I liked the flip up screen of the M6mkII. I could have done all these pics with the R + 24-70mm, however, this was definitely more fun.

Don't you ever hesitate to peep the pixels as much as you like, and you're welcome to critique everything you think I could have done better. Thanks for watching.


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04 Wijk bij Duurstede


05 Wijk bij Duurstede


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08 Culemborg


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16 Amerongen


17 ferry Eck en Wiel - Amerongen


18 Rhenen


19 Rhenen


20 Rhenen


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24 Time to go home

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I love 50mm (equivalence)

Great images - particularly like no. 5 - thanks for posting

I enjoyed these as well with my favorite, as Kevin, being #5. People are enjoying themselves and several with their hockey sticks.

Randy

I've always loathed 50mm for landscape work, totally the wrong focal length for me*. And you've done some very nice work with yours. Thanks for sharing.


* But great for people shots.

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

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It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.


I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

Miguel-C said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

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Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R. On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like, and it's still not a full replacement for moving the smallest single AF point via the touch screen. However, it's better than the M50, and I welcome every improvement in this regard.

In back lit situations AF is still off sometimes, so the faster read out of the sensor might help, but more processing power would still be beneficial.

I'm blown away by the resolution in combination with that 32mm. Results are definitely on par with my 24-70mm f/2.8 mkII on the R. I need the sigma f/1.4 art primes on my R to surpass these levels of detail. Even the 11-22mm stopped down a bit (ideally f/5.6 or f/7.1) is capable to give lots of detail. 32Mp is absolutely beneficial with this lens. For the 50-100mm f/1.8 wide open the sensor is a challenge in torture situations. I didn't try it with the 18-35mm (yet) as the full frame stuff is a more logical choice when I need that. Still the M6II is a nice little camera with a wide angle or a telephoto zoom next to a standard zoom or 50mm prime on my R. Or to have something wider next to the 85 or the 105mm on the R. As such it's especially nice at least one camera isn't crazy big. Still need an alternative for the peak design capture plate.

RLBur said:

I enjoyed these as well with my favorite, as Kevin, being #5. People are enjoying themselves and several with their hockey sticks.

Randy

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Not sure about hockey, but there's definitely some skating going on.

It's not new.

thunder storm said:

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Click to expand...

It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.

https://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen.php?nummer=855

I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

thunder storm said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Click to expand...

Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R.

Click to expand...

Use a screen protector. That's the first thing I buy whenever I get a new camera (or phone). They're very cheap, and don't in any way interfere with the touchscreen operation. You can also get them with anti-glare coatings, to help viewing the screen in bright light.

thunder storm said:

On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like

Click to expand...

How do you think it compares with the R? I've had my M6II a lot longer than my R, and I haven't had much chance to do tracking with the R. My first impression is that the R can pick up an eye from a bit further away than the M6II, but they are similar in stickiness once they start tracking. With the M6II, most of the tracking I did (before the pandemic) was runners, and it performed superbly for that. I've only managed to do a couple of quick tracking tests with the R so far, of runners and cyclists, and it works well for those too. But most of my use for eye AF with both the M6II and the R is with people in non-sporting settings (either sitting down, or moving pretty slowly), and for that I find both cameras to be as good as I could ask for.
Nice shots, by the way. I must say, though, that looking at the skaters on the ice made me nervous! It didn't look all that thick.

Alastair Norcross said:

thunder storm said:

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Click to expand...

It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.

https://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen.php?nummer=855

I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

Alastair Norcross said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Click to expand...

Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R.

Click to expand...

Use a screen protector. That's the first thing I buy whenever I get a new camera (or phone). They're very cheap, and don't in any way interfere with the touchscreen operation.

Click to expand...

That was exactly my fear: the screen getting less sensitive because of the protector.

Alastair Norcross said:

You can also get them with anti-glare coatings, to help viewing the screen in bright light.

Click to expand...

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

Alastair Norcross said:

Alastair Norcross said:

On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like

Click to expand...

How do you think it compares with the R? I've had my M6II a lot longer than my R, and I haven't had much chance to do tracking with the R. My first impression is that the R can pick up an eye from a bit further away than the M6II,

Click to expand...

I think you're right at that point.

Alastair Norcross said:

but they are similar in stickiness once they start tracking.

Click to expand...

I tried to test some tracking with the sigma 50-100mm when my kids where skating. It was their first time, and they where going so slow it wasn't a challenge for any camera. I need a better test.

Alastair Norcross said:

With the M6II, most of the tracking I did (before the pandemic) was runners, and it performed superbly for that.

Click to expand...

Did you use subject/face tracking?

Alastair Norcross said:

I've only managed to do a couple of quick tracking tests with the R so far, of runners and cyclists, and it works well for those too. But most of my use for eye AF with both the M6II and the R is with people in non-sporting settings (either sitting down, or moving pretty slowly), and for that I find both cameras to be as good as I could ask for.

Click to expand...

Hmmmmm, when faces are turned or are turning away somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees the R can loose the eye, pick the wrong eye, or pick another face..... I'm not satisfied with the R for that reason, and I'm ready to spend big bucks to get more sticky eye AF in these cases. The best candid portraits aren't faces looking straight or almost straight to the camera......

Didn't test the M6mkII for that yet.

Alastair Norcross said:

Nice shots, by the way.

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Thank you.

Alastair Norcross said:

I must say, though, that looking at the skaters on the ice made me nervous! It didn't look all that thick.

Click to expand...

It's risky, no doubt. In the morning it was o.k., but during the day the ice started melting. It's not very deep though, as those people are skating on flood plains, not the river itself. If you ever do it: Make sure you're not alone, and bring a rope and a car so you can go home quickly.

This is the right technique:

thunder storm said:

Alastair Norcross said:

thunder storm said:

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Click to expand...

It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.

https://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen.php?nummer=855

I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

thunder storm said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Click to expand...

Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R.

Click to expand...

Use a screen protector. That's the first thing I buy whenever I get a new camera (or phone). They're very cheap, and don't in any way interfere with the touchscreen operation.

Click to expand...

That was exactly my fear: the screen getting less sensitive because of the protector.

thunder storm said:

You can also get them with anti-glare coatings, to help viewing the screen in bright light.

Click to expand...

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

thunder storm said:

thunder storm said:

On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like

Click to expand...

How do you think it compares with the R? I've had my M6II a lot longer than my R, and I haven't had much chance to do tracking with the R. My first impression is that the R can pick up an eye from a bit further away than the M6II,

Click to expand...

I think you're right at that point.

thunder storm said:

but they are similar in stickiness once they start tracking.

Click to expand...

I tried to test some tracking with the sigma 50-100mm when my kids where skating. It was their first time, and they where going so slow it wasn't a challenge for any camera. I need a better test.

thunder storm said:

With the M6II, most of the tracking I did (before the pandemic) was runners, and it performed superbly for that.

Click to expand...

Did you use subject/face tracking?

Click to expand...

I did, but I didn't always position it on the face (sometimes the combination of running cap and dark glasses made the faces a bit difficult). Runners usually are wearing shirts with colorful logos and/or bibs with numbers. I use the face + tracking setting where I specify the initial point, so sometimes I'd just put the point on the chest, and it would stick to that. For runners, with a 70-200 at F2.8, if the chest is in focus, the face will be too almost all the time.

thunder storm said:

thunder storm said:

I've only managed to do a couple of quick tracking tests with the R so far, of runners and cyclists, and it works well for those too. But most of my use for eye AF with both the M6II and the R is with people in non-sporting settings (either sitting down, or moving pretty slowly), and for that I find both cameras to be as good as I could ask for.

Click to expand...

Hmmmmm, when faces are turned or are turning away somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees the R can loose the eye, pick the wrong eye, or pick another face..... I'm not satisfied with the R for that reason, and I'm ready to spend big bucks to get more sticky eye AF in these cases. The best candid portraits aren't faces looking straight or almost straight to the camera......

Click to expand...

I'd say that, so far with the R, I'm seeing it grab the eye every time when the face is up to 45 degrees turned. I agree that at 90 degrees it often doesn't get it, but that's a face that's in profile, where you're not seeing the whole eye. I wouldn't expect it there. That's when I switch to single point. I have my AF-ON button set up to cycle through the three AF modes I use (face + tracking, single point small, and single point with surrounds). When I compare it with my 7DII, which I used for thousands of people shots at conferences just moving the focus point around with the joystick, both the R and M6II are just a joy. And I really liked my 7DII. I got a very high percentage of well-focused shots with it. But I'm getting even more with the mirrorless cameras. I'm sure the R5 is even better, but I'm still amazed at eye AF in both the M6II and R. With the M6II, when a face is turned too much to detect the eye, it will usually just grab the face instead, which is almost always fine. I just wish I had more opportunities to use both cameras right now for people shots, which are, by far, my favourite subjects.

thunder storm said:

Didn't test the M6mkII for that yet.

thunder storm said:

Nice shots, by the way.

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Thank you.

thunder storm said:

I must say, though, that looking at the skaters on the ice made me nervous! It didn't look all that thick.

Click to expand...

It's risky, no doubt. In the morning it was o.k., but during the day the ice started melting. It's not very deep though, as those people are skating on flood plains, not the river itself. If you ever do it: Make sure you're not alone, and bring a rope and a car so you can go home quickly.

This is the right technique:

Click to expand...

thunder storm said:

Alastair Norcross said:

thunder storm said:

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Click to expand...

It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.

https://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen.php?nummer=855

I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

thunder storm said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Click to expand...

Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R.

Click to expand...

Use a screen protector. That's the first thing I buy whenever I get a new camera (or phone). They're very cheap, and don't in any way interfere with the touchscreen operation.

Click to expand...

That was exactly my fear: the screen getting less sensitive because of the protector.

Click to expand...

These touch screens can sense finger even through a rather thin glove. Further, there is a glove mode in some phone models. EOS M6 has a setting named 'touch mode' with normal and sensitive options. I guess this is for glove wearers too. Don't know about M6ii.

Some modern phone screen protectors are made extremely well and specialized. You can buy a phone protector and cut it to your camera screen size if know a special one. Those made for cameras are good more than enough.

Putting them on screen needs a little experience to avoid permanently trapped bubbles.

Partitioning your bag is a good idea and can be easily done with very cheap sheets of foam.

thunder storm said:

thunder storm said:

You can also get them with anti-glare coatings, to help viewing the screen in bright light.

Click to expand...

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

thunder storm said:

thunder storm said:

On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like

Click to expand...

How do you think it compares with the R? I've had my M6II a lot longer than my R, and I haven't had much chance to do tracking with the R. My first impression is that the R can pick up an eye from a bit further away than the M6II,

Click to expand...

I think you're right at that point.

thunder storm said:

but they are similar in stickiness once they start tracking.

Click to expand...

I tried to test some tracking with the sigma 50-100mm when my kids where skating. It was their first time, and they where going so slow it wasn't a challenge for any camera. I need a better test.

thunder storm said:

With the M6II, most of the tracking I did (before the pandemic) was runners, and it performed superbly for that.

Click to expand...

Did you use subject/face tracking?

thunder storm said:

I've only managed to do a couple of quick tracking tests with the R so far, of runners and cyclists, and it works well for those too. But most of my use for eye AF with both the M6II and the R is with people in non-sporting settings (either sitting down, or moving pretty slowly), and for that I find both cameras to be as good as I could ask for.

Click to expand...

Hmmmmm, when faces are turned or are turning away somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees the R can loose the eye, pick the wrong eye, or pick another face..... I'm not satisfied with the R for that reason, and I'm ready to spend big bucks to get more sticky eye AF in these cases. The best candid portraits aren't faces looking straight or almost straight to the camera......

Didn't test the M6mkII for that yet.

thunder storm said:

Nice shots, by the way.

Click to expand...

Thank you.

thunder storm said:

I must say, though, that looking at the skaters on the ice made me nervous! It didn't look all that thick.

Click to expand...

It's risky, no doubt. In the morning it was o.k., but during the day the ice started melting. It's not very deep though, as those people are skating on flood plains, not the river itself. If you ever do it: Make sure you're not alone, and bring a rope and a car so you can go home quickly.

This is the right technique:

Click to expand...

Alastair Norcross said:

thunder storm said:

Alastair Norcross said:

thunder storm said:

Miguel-C said:

Beautiful photos and scenery, i love the snow. That looks like a quaint town i would visit!

Click to expand...

It's a nice (very) little city, and you can have some wide angle fun there.

https://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/molen.php?nummer=855

I wasn't allowed to park in my car near by due to Covid regulations (almost got a fine...).

Alastair Norcross said:

Enjoy your new combo, how happy are you with it?

Click to expand...

Three dials = Perfect!

I have still some wishes for the ISO auto implementation (want a fixed minimum shutterspeed AND a relative to the focal length shutterspeed at the same time, and the increments for both are a bit too rough for my taste)

I love to have a flip up screen, however, I'm a bit worried in my current bag some lenses might scratch that screen, as you can't hide it like with articulating screens of the M50 and the R.

Click to expand...

Use a screen protector. That's the first thing I buy whenever I get a new camera (or phone). They're very cheap, and don't in any way interfere with the touchscreen operation.

Click to expand...

That was exactly my fear: the screen getting less sensitive because of the protector.

Alastair Norcross said:

You can also get them with anti-glare coatings, to help viewing the screen in bright light.

Click to expand...

Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

Alastair Norcross said:

Alastair Norcross said:

On a strap it might also bounce around a bit hitting knots or zippers, and at the same time it might be a bit too risky to use a peak design capture plate, even with the small ef-m lenses, as I might break the bottom of the camera over time. (with adapted lenses I have that plate screwed on the adapter, but that's not possibel with ef-m lenses....). So I'm still searching to find my way with it.

The external evf is a bit cumbersome as it makes the camera bigger, or you have to mount and dismount it all the time, and store those little contacts protection thingies properly, etc..... With my M100 I already found the downside of a back screen is you will need a wider angle to fit everything in the frame. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but sometimes it makes a difference. And with big adapted zooms I will need it anyway.

Eye/face AF is still not as smart and sticky as I would like

Click to expand...

How do you think it compares with the R? I've had my M6II a lot longer than my R, and I haven't had much chance to do tracking with the R. My first impression is that the R can pick up an eye from a bit further away than the M6II,

Click to expand...

I think you're right at that point.

Alastair Norcross said:

but they are similar in stickiness once they start tracking.

Click to expand...

I tried to test some tracking with the sigma 50-100mm when my kids where skating. It was their first time, and they where going so slow it wasn't a challenge for any camera. I need a better test.

Alastair Norcross said:

With the M6II, most of the tracking I did (before the pandemic) was runners, and it performed superbly for that.

Click to expand...

Did you use subject/face tracking?

Click to expand...

I did, but I didn't always position it on the face (sometimes the combination of running cap and dark glasses made the faces a bit difficult). Runners usually are wearing shirts with colorful logos and/or bibs with numbers. I use the face + tracking setting where I specify the initial point, so sometimes I'd just put the point on the chest, and it would stick to that. For runners, with a 70-200 at F2.8, if the chest is in focus, the face will be too almost all the time.

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Maybe I should do the same. I won't use the 105mm f/1.4 on the M6mkII, so it never get's more challenging than f/1.8 @ 100mm.

Alastair Norcross said:

Alastair Norcross said:

Alastair Norcross said:

I've only managed to do a couple of quick tracking tests with the R so far, of runners and cyclists, and it works well for those too. But most of my use for eye AF with both the M6II and the R is with people in non-sporting settings (either sitting down, or moving pretty slowly), and for that I find both cameras to be as good as I could ask for.

Click to expand...

Hmmmmm, when faces are turned or are turning away somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees the R can loose the eye, pick the wrong eye, or pick another face..... I'm not satisfied with the R for that reason, and I'm ready to spend big bucks to get more sticky eye AF in these cases. The best candid portraits aren't faces looking straight or almost straight to the camera......

Click to expand...

I'd say that, so far with the R, I'm seeing it grab the eye every time when the face is up to 45 degrees turned.

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I'm not really measuring angles, all I can say is it leaves me wanting. I also hate flipping to the wrong eye or the wrong face. To be fair: we're talking about situations where the shutterspeed is at 1/125th, the ISO at 1250 and the speedlite is still compensating for the lack of 2 or 3 stops. The DOF of f/2.0 at 50 or 105mm isn't very forgiving. It also depends on the face, some faces appear to be more challenging than others.

Alastair Norcross said:

I agree that at 90 degrees it often doesn't get it, but that's a face that's in profile, where you're not seeing the whole eye. I wouldn't expect it there. That's when I switch to single point. I have my AF-ON button set up to cycle through the three AF modes I use (face + tracking, single point small, and single point with surrounds).

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I know, but the AF tracking is faster in tracking eyes than I am.

Alastair Norcross said:

When I compare it with my 7DII, which I used for thousands of people shots at conferences just moving the focus point around with the joystick, both the R and M6II are just a joy. And I really liked my 7DII. I got a very high percentage of well-focused shots with it. But I'm getting even more with the mirrorless cameras. I'm sure the R5 is even better, but I'm still amazed at eye AF in both the M6II and R.

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I'm really talking first world "problems" here. Both the R and the M6mkII are 300% better for candid portraits over DSLR's. Nonetheless I still want it a bit better.

Alastair Norcross said:

With the M6II, when a face is turned too much to detect the eye, it will usually just grab the face instead, which is almost always fine. I just wish I had more opportunities to use both cameras right now for people shots, which are, by far, my favourite subjects.

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Same here. They really should speed up those vaccination programs as everybody is getting really tired now of the whole Covid situation. I hate to work online. And as far as I can see next summer will be wasted too. I want to visit a Mediterranean city with friends, have a walk, and drink sangria afterwards without all that distance ****. I want to pay the price of the R5, the RF 24-70 & 70-200 f/2.8 and the RF 50mm f/1.2 too, just to do that.

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These touch screens can sense finger even through a rather thin glove. Further, there is a glove mode in some phone models. EOS M6 has a setting named 'touch mode' with normal and sensitive options. I guess this is for glove wearers too. Don't know about M6ii.

Some modern phone screen protectors are made extremely well and specialized. You can buy a phone protector and cut it to your camera screen size if know a special one. Those made for cameras are good more than enough.

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Thanks for your advice. You and Alastair convinced me to get a screen protector.

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Putting them on screen needs a little experience to avoid permanently trapped bubbles.

Partitioning your bag is a good idea and can be easily done with very cheap sheets of foam.

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I think I will get me another bag solution.

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Dors said:

These touch screens can sense finger even through a rather thin glove. Further, there is a glove mode in some phone models. EOS M6 has a setting named 'touch mode' with normal and sensitive options. I guess this is for glove wearers too. Don't know about M6ii.

Some modern phone screen protectors are made extremely well and specialized. You can buy a phone protector and cut it to your camera screen size if know a special one. Those made for cameras are good more than enough.

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Thanks for your advice. You and Alastair convinced me to get a screen protector.

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Get a glass one, similar to the ones on phones. The ones made of silicone give you lag to the touch.

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thunder storm said:

Putting them on screen needs a little experience to avoid permanently trapped bubbles.

Partitioning your bag is a good idea and can be easily done with very cheap sheets of foam.

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I think I will get me another bag solution.

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"our last Covid winter" ?

I wish I had your crystal ball...

mouzhik said:

"our last Covid winter" ?

I wish I had your crystal ball...

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Sometimes I prefer hope over unawareness.

Prachtige platen!

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Prachtige platen!

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Dank je, Tim!

The 32mm can "match" R/F image quality on the M6 II in my dealings with them. That 32mm has something special to it, it's not just f/1.4, it has excellent colors, bokeh quality (not just f/1.4) and contrast rendition, and, crazy sharp almost no vignette blah blah blah. The 11-22 comes pretty close to being an L, but not quite. The 32/1.4 on the other hand, except for lacking weather seal and USM motor, needs a red ring.

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Parking, comes with a fine for COVID restrictions? Genuinely curious the story as we have nothing state-side like that, yet.

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You still have that Rokinon 12mm? I found the Rokinon's "sing" on the M6 II. Sure it's manual focus, but those lenses have real "bite" to them.

Alastair Norcross said:

I'd say that, so far with the R, I'm seeing it grab the eye every time when the face is up to 45 degrees turned. I agree that at 90 degrees it often doesn't get it, but that's a face that's in profile, where you're not seeing the whole eye. I wouldn't expect it there. That's when I switch to single point. I have my AF-ON button set up to cycle through the three AF modes I use (face + tracking, single point small, and single point with surrounds). When I compare it with my 7DII, which I used for thousands of people shots at conferences just moving the focus point around with the joystick, both the R and M6II are just a joy. And I really liked my 7DII. I got a very high percentage of well-focused shots with it. But I'm getting even more with the mirrorless cameras. I'm sure the R5 is even better, but I'm still amazed at eye AF in both the M6II and R. With the M6II, when a face is turned too much to detect the eye, it will usually just grab the face instead, which is almost always fine. I just wish I had more opportunities to use both cameras right now for people shots, which are, by far, my favourite subjects.

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I'd say the R5 although ALOT better for this sort of thing, you don't "need" it for candid photography. Helpful though. The R itself with firmware up to date and M6 II, with a fast lens attached (motor-wise) is pretty good, arguably 90+% there...