Sigma fp L speculations

I have had the feeling Sigma would follow up the Sigma fp, and no we seem to have a new camera registered:

https://www.l-rumors.com/surprise-sigma-has-registered-a-new-fp-l-camera/

I thought this would be a new type of camera, but it seems to be built upon the fp as it carries it's name. I don't think this is the foveon version of it (I wish!), but more an improved fp. An evf had also been registered so I think these will go together. I would like to see the fp slightly larger with a hotshoe that is compatible for the external evf. A tilt screen. A grip bump that can accommodate a larger battery (the S5 battery). A sd slot compatible with cf-express type A. If not type A then a solo type B. I know many would be against this, but the prices are less in some cases versus the fastest v90 sd. This would open up being able to shoot 12bit cdng internally, but still have the open to record externally to a cheap external ssd. I would really like them to use the s1r's 47 MP sensor, but I can see them sticking with the same 24. For panasonic that would mean no raw video, but sigma doesn't record pixel for pixel so the 47 can still produce full frame raw using their method. If they stick with 24 I hope it would be a new sensor with a faster readout. Many shortcomings of not having a mechanical shutter can be overcome by having a sensor like Sony's a9. And of course tweaks with interface, touch screen usability, a function button or two.

What would you like to see improved in the new model?

amweber21 said:

Many shortcomings of not having a mechanical shutter can be overcome by having a sensor like Sony's a9.

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Sony just launched a 50mp sensor in the A1 that would be ideal for the fp.

L is latin for 50. Hmm...

Johan Borg said:

amweber21 said:

Many shortcomings of not having a mechanical shutter can be overcome by having a sensor like Sony's a9.

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Sony just launched a 50mp sensor in the A1 that would be ideal for the fp.

L is latin for 50. Hmm...

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True. I had thought about that as well. It would indeed be the perfect sensor for the fp. It would make it useable in nearly all photography situations, and even open up things like 8K (can you imagine the cdng files of that :-O) I just think it's too new and expensive of a sensor. I don't know of any other camera using Sony's stacked sensors. Maybe they hang on to those for themselves?

They usually seem to have meanings to their camera initials. fp meaning "fortissimo pianissimo". Maybe they will continue the Italian musical terms.. Legato.. Largo.. :-D maybe it is a foveon after all haha

I might be wrong but I think the fp L has the same 47 Mpix sensor from the Panasonic S1R and Leica SL2 in the same video tuned way that the SL2 has: https://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Leica-SL2/Details

The only reason why I didn't get the FP on the first day when available, was the lack of a small EVF to complement the system. The available gigantic LVF makes the small dense camera an odd entity or an oxymoron.

So an EVF as one of the accessories ( which there are plenty), will make the FP or its subsequent variant a more viable camera for those who simply want to use it as a normal camera for daylight shooting.

yyuuhhaauu said:

The only reason why I didn't get the FP on the first day when available, was the lack of a small EVF to complement the system. The available gigantic LVF makes the small dense camera an odd entity or an oxymoron.

So an EVF as one of the accessories ( which there are plenty), will make the FP or its subsequent variant a more viable camera for those who simply want to use it as a normal camera for daylight shooting.

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Stills: Built-in EVF and IBIS can do better for going towards silent and stealthy full frame photography. Better AF has more opportunities to shine.

Video: Gimbal outperforms IBIS and then external monitor outperforms built-in EVF. AF can look robotic, clumsy and soulless. Better AF has less opportunities to shine.

Sigma Fp is already over 90% match for excellent video camera and great value. Better resolution is always welcome and Sony A1 shows promising results that electronic shutter is becoming serious match against mechanical shutter.

Sigma has said that Sigma Fp is also aimed for "polite" stills although that happens in Japan, but western people see it more like a video camera. Image quality wise, Sigma Fp video is much stronger than the stills side comparing how other brands have it.

Some promblems like lack of full width oversampled video, a bit low MP and not quite excellent electronic shutter speed are the main things I would improve compared to Sigma Fp. If they keep adding more, it will just increase the price and washed out the advantage.

Fotoni said:

Stills: Built-in EVF and IBIS can do better for going towards silent and stealthy full frame photography. Better AF has more opportunities to shine.

Video: Gimbal outperforms IBIS and then external monitor outperforms built-in EVF. AF can look robotic, clumsy and soulless. Better AF has less opportunities to shine.

Sigma Fp is already over 90% match for excellent video camera and great value. Better resolution is always welcome and Sony A1 shows promising results that electronic shutter is becoming serious match against mechanical shutter.

Sigma has said that Sigma Fp is also aimed for "polite" stills although that happens in Japan, but western people see it more like a video camera. Image quality wise, Sigma Fp video is much stronger than the stills side comparing how other brands have it.

Some problems like lack of full width oversampled video, a bit low MP and not quite excellent electronic shutter speed are the main things I would improve compared to Sigma Fp. If they keep adding more, it will just increase the price and washed out the advantage.

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I don't think adding IBIS is necessary. It adds complication and expense, and it's something to go wrong. The current fp is a great example of the maxim "simplicate and add lightness".

A faster electronic shutter is needed if you want to use flash at all. At present, the fastest sync speed (1/30) is slower than that on the Exakta film SLR. I see that the Sony A1 electronic shutter syncs at 1/200.

A high resolution sensor (such as 50 Megapixels) allows the camera to double as both FF and APS-C, while still giving a good resolution in the smaller area. But I think it will make the camera very expensive.

Don Cox

Fotoni said:

Stills: Built-in EVF and IBIS can do better for going towards silent and stealthy full frame photography. Better AF has more opportunities to shine.

Video: Gimbal outperforms IBIS and then external monitor outperforms built-in EVF. AF can look robotic, clumsy and soulless. Better AF has less opportunities to shine.

Sigma Fp is already over 90% match for excellent video camera and great value. Better resolution is always welcome and Sony A1 shows promising results that electronic shutter is becoming serious match against mechanical shutter.

Sigma has said that Sigma Fp is also aimed for "polite" stills although that happens in Japan, but western people see it more like a video camera. Image quality wise, Sigma Fp video is much stronger than the stills side comparing how other brands have it.

Some promblems like lack of full width oversampled video, a bit low MP and not quite excellent electronic shutter speed are the main things I would improve compared to Sigma Fp. If they keep adding more, it will just increase the price and washed out the advantage.

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I do not think they need to completely rework the camera. It is almost there for me, and I would not want it much more expensive. In a foveon camera a mechanical shutter and IBIS would almost be essential to keep low ISO, but if it's a bayer sensor they just need to improve the sensor.

A larger MP sensor with flash sync of at least 1/60 (in 14 bit). Panasonic's 47MP would be good although I do not think it would give any read off speed increase.. But with that resolution, it would have a useful APSC mode.

An external EVF would be better, as they do not have to cram a small one like the GX9's inside to fit. But it could be nice and large and taken off when not needed. It would be a separate purchase to keep cost down, as some may not need it. The only problem would be using flash together with the EVF.. maybe a flash sync port?

For video I would keep raw abilities. It's size and weight allow it to be used on small gimbals used for point and shoots. Those can easily be brought along. I would just like better media used, like CFexpress so no additional things need to be added. Allow gear like electronic follow focus and CDA-TEK's lidar box over USB or bluetooth and it would be extremely capable.