fuji 55-200 lens

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Hello, I have a new fuji 55-200 lens and I've been experimenting to see if I can crop in to get clear bird photos. I can't, and I don't know if it's the distance or the lens or my settings. Here's what I'm getting. These are taken at 200 mm. Any suggestions? The first was closer than the second. Thank you.



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Hello, I have a new fuji 55-200 lens and I've been experimenting to see if I can crop in to get clear bird photos.
You need to get closer for that, not to crop.
I can't, and I don't know if it's the distance or the lens or my settings. Here's what I'm getting. These are taken at 200 mm. Any suggestions?
How do you process the images? There seems to be too much noise reduction that eats all detail and too much sharpening that adds "worms".
 
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"Fill the frame with your subject" is popular advice to beginners, as that tends to improve technical image quality. That might be a bit difficult with birds, which is why ultra long lenses and teleconverters are popular, as well as using good fieldcraft.

The focus is not on the bird in the first image, but rather on a branch in front of it. Not that better focus would help much, as cropping and apparent image brightening has harmed the image considerably.

Also, for these images, I don't find your camera settings realistic, which would be more appropriate for direct sunlight in summer. Did you happen to brighten the images in post? Like 1 or 2 stops for the first, and 2 or 3 for the second? Your best bet here would be setting your camera to a lower shutter speed (at least for the second photo), and if you can't do that, set the ISO higher. The trick would be taking a larger number of photos and select the best, discarding those with misfocus or camera shake.
 
Yes, I probably just hit auto in LR or adjusted for shadows. I'm taking a ton of photos but I'm not catching focus. I think I am at the time. I just went out again today. I'm using back button but may switch to shutter. Here's the best one I got today. I'm cropping way in. I'm practicing with this lens but I've ordered the 100-400. It's on back order. I've got a lot of practicing to do though!



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Yes, I have to practice getting closer for birds. I am using LR. Sometimes I hit auto, but sometimes I just adjust for shadows. But yes, I'm cropped way in. Thank you.
 
Hello, I have a new fuji 55-200 lens and I've been experimenting to see if I can crop in to get clear bird photos. I can't, and I don't know if it's the distance or the lens or my settings. Here's what I'm getting. These are taken at 200 mm. Any suggestions? The first was closer than the second. Thank you.

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Extreme cropping like you're doing will never make an image better. The eye of the bird in the sample above is only about 50-60 pixels across which hardly seems enough for a "crisp" definition of the eye. No way you're going to get any feather detail with so few pixels. Bird feeders are a terrific place to practice so continue hanging out around the feeder. For focusing, use the smallest, single AF point you can. I tend to sway my body back and forth when holding a heavy lens so I found continuous AF works better for me.

If I'm reading the EXIF data correctly, LIghtroom is applying sharpening to the images by default (25 Detail, +1 Radius, 0 Mask, 40!!!! Sharpness) without any noise reduction. I'm guessing this is why the image noise looks so wormy. My old version of ACR used to have similar defaults until I changed the defaults. Is my guess correct?

DPR reviewed this lens a few years ago with an X-Pro3. There are a good variety of downloadable sample images (JPEG & raw) you can use for comparison and extreme cropping. This lens can do better. In the "Image Quality" sections, DPR found the X-Pro3 lens correction setting had some detrimental effects.

When your new 100-400mm lens arrives, please don't think you can stand twice as far away and get good photos. You will still have to "get closer", "fill the frame", and "get more pixels on the subject".

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Lance H
 
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Thank you very much for your suggestions. I am experimenting a lot. I do better through the kitchen window, but when I'm outside I'm having a hard time. I'm going to set up some practice targets tomorrow and pretend they are birds! Interesting about LR. I'm going to try to keep editing light in LR. Here is one I shot today from the kitchen window.



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Hello, I have a new fuji 55-200 lens and I've been experimenting to see if I can crop in to get clear bird photos.
Cropping is not a way to get clearer photos. Cropping reduces resolution and increases noisiness.
I can't, and I don't know if it's the distance or the lens
Well it partly the lens' fault in that it is only 200mm. If it were longer you'd fill more of the frame at that distance. It is also the lens' fault in that it isn't the sharpest lens available. For getting sharper images, reducing the distance is probably more important, but most people who take bird photos use a longer effective focal length.
or my settings.
For cropped perched birds, try reducing your shutter speed down to about 1/320 or 1/640. These extreme crops to less than 1/6 of the original frame are adding nearly three stops of noisiness to your images as well as reducing sharpness. At this point I think noise is having a more deleterious effect than motion blur. If you didn't have to crop, then you might be able to keep to shutter speeds up to better avoid feather blur.
 
Thank you very much for your suggestions. I am experimenting a lot. I do better through the kitchen window, but when I'm outside I'm having a hard time. I'm going to set up some practice targets tomorrow and pretend they are birds!
Before you do that, set up your camera to shoot JPEG+raw and set your in-camera JPEG "noise reduction" to -2 and "sharpness" to +1. This will give you a baseline JPEG file to see if your LR processing is better or not.
 
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Thank you very much for your suggestions. I am experimenting a lot. I do better through the kitchen window, but when I'm outside I'm having a hard time. I'm going to set up some practice targets tomorrow and pretend they are birds! Interesting about LR. I'm going to try to keep editing light in LR. Here is one I shot today from the kitchen window.

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Mega-improvement and a very nice action shot. It will only get better with practice. Your new 100-400mm lens will make things both easier (less cropping) and harder (requires better camera holding technique).

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Lance H
 

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