Tamron 17-70 compared to other APS-C zooms

I watched Dustin's review too and didn't get the impression it needed to be stopped down at all. Perhaps a little bit at 70mm to pick up the contrast, but he repeatedly said how sharp it was from the start at 2.8 from 17-50. Even at 70 2.8 it looked pretty sharp across frame
For my use, as I stated before, the critical issue is at what point in focal length does it get soft wide open? Just suppose it was really sharp at 65mm...I might be in.
Well, I played around some days ago with shots of the 1655 at 55 and the 18105 at 105. If I upscale the 55mm to 105mm size, there is some, but remarkable few effect to be seen. Going from 55 to 70 mm should be close to zero.

So you can limit yourself on the Tamron to 55 (or wherever it still is sharp) and upscale or in case you have the 1655, you don't need to think about the Tamron
 
Well, I played around some days ago with shots of the 1655 at 55 and the 18105 at 105. If I upscale the 55mm to 105mm size, there is some, but remarkable few effect to be seen. Going from 55 to 70 mm should be close to zero.

So you can limit yourself on the Tamron to 55 (or wherever it still is sharp) and upscale or in case you have the 1655, you don't need to think about the Tamron
cxspark, out of curiosity, what if you crop the 56 sigma at f2 compared to 105 f4? I see in your gear list you own one, is why I ask. I was thinking of doing something similar with the 30, as I always carry the 12 Samy anyways (my favorite lens) I might not need the zoom as much as I thought.
 
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Well, I played around some days ago with shots of the 1655 at 55 and the 18105 at 105. If I upscale the 55mm to 105mm size, there is some, but remarkable few effect to be seen. Going from 55 to 70 mm should be close to zero.

So you can limit yourself on the Tamron to 55 (or wherever it still is sharp) and upscale or in case you have the 1655, you don't need to think about the Tamron
cxspark, out of curiosity, what if you crop the 56 sigma at f2 compared to 105 f4? I see in your gear list you own one, is why I ask. I was thinking of doing something similar with the 30, as I always carry the 12 Samy anyways (my favorite lens) I might not need the zoom as much as I thought.
Well, you asked for it :-)

I made some comparison shots with the 18105, 1655 and Sigma 56, no shots with Tamron in case someone is looking for that.

I then upscaled shots from the 1655 at 55mm f4 and the Tamron 56mm F2 by 150%, this roughly kicks it to 80+mm tele view, based on the raw files.

All other crops are from OOC JPG, form a 24 Mpx picture, the crops are about 1 Mpx sized, taken from center with small tracking window focused on the highrise in the far distance.

Lighting conditon changed a bit, the Sigma 56 at f2 was taken with ISO50/max shutter speed.

One can easily see the crispness of the 1655 & 56 versus the 18105. The Sigma obviously outperforms, the 1655 is close, the 18105 a bit soft at all focal lenghts but details are still there.

For viewing, download and view locally since in the webbrowser blur is induced!!



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Well, you asked for it :-)

I made some comparison shots with the 18105, 1655 and Sigma 56, no shots with Tamron in case someone is looking for that.

I then upscaled shots from the 1655 at 55mm f4 and the Tamron 56mm F2 by 150%, this roughly kicks it to 80+mm tele view, based on the raw files.

All other crops are from OOC JPG, form a 24 Mpx picture, the crops are about 1 Mpx sized, taken from center with small tracking window focused on the highrise in the far distance.

Lighting conditon changed a bit, the Sigma 56 at f2 was taken with ISO50/max shutter speed.

One can easily see the crispness of the 1655 & 56 versus the 18105. The Sigma obviously outperforms, the 1655 is close, the 18105 a bit soft at all focal lenghts but details are still there.

For viewing, download and view locally since in the webbrowser blur is induced!!

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Wow this is fantastic! I don't have very clear which one is the 16-55 and which one is 56 but they all look similar enough (which is very good for upscales).

The Sigma seems to have slightly more contrast maybe if I got the order right?

There is basicly no drawback in cropping a top of the line prime lens if one needs to enlarge a part of the picture before printing... perhaps the 70mm on the long end of the Tamron isn't as relevant as one might think.

For an hybrid shooter without IBIS there is no question that the Tamron is the most versatile choice, but for stills only not so sure.

Thank you big time cxspark for taking the time to shoot and edit the pictures, that was very nice.
 
Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
 
Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
I found a used 16-55 for 790 eur from a reliable store (Tamron is 850), that's making me question.

For travel lens I use the 20 2.8 or the 18-135 (depending on which size I want to deal with) and day / night, but I am indeed looking for something else to use for more subject separation and evening use (or rather, indoors use nowdays :( )

In the end 2.8 might not be enough for me, and as I already have few (decently) sharp lenses i might just go for a 30 1.4 as next purchase.

The Tamron is probably the best bargain all-in-one setup one can get nowdays for all around video and stills, no questions.
 
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Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
I found a used 16-55 for 790 eur from a reliable store (Tamron is 850), that's making me question.

For travel lens I use the 20 2.8 or the 18-135 (depending on which size I want to deal with) and day / night, but I am indeed looking for something else to use for more subject separation and evening use (or rather, indoors use nowdays :( )

In the end 2.8 might not be enough for me, and as I already have few (decently) sharp lenses i might just go for a 30 1.4 as next purchase.

The Tamron is probably the best bargain all-in-one setup one can get nowdays for all around video and stills, no questions.
This is the reason I went for the tamron. Great focal range and the VC is very nice (arguably necessary) for video. I think if the Sony was the same price as the tamron I’d still choose the tamron for my needs. If I want/need bleeding edge sharpness I’ll reach for one of my prime lenses.
 
The Text "18105"... descirbes the crops on the right side from top to bottom.

The text "Topleft" only refers to the upsized two shots directly below this text.
 
Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
The sample gallery from this vid has put my mind at ease a bit, I think I will end up getting this lens based on this. Just have to sell some old unused gear first.
 
Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
The sample gallery from this vid has put my mind at ease a bit, I think I will end up getting this lens based on this. Just have to sell some old unused gear first.
This is a really good review and also great that he provides access to most sample shots as raw.

Great job in comparing these two lenses.
Courtesy of Jack Sloan's sample shots I processed in Capture One V20 and created an overlay of the DSC0117 & ...118 to show the differences between 16 and 17mm.

Especially in Capture One you can extend the picture wide area a lot with the Sony even beyond the 16mm. The difference in wideness is A LOT between these lenses. Even when using the default crop the difference between the "16" and "17" mm of these lenses is very noticable.

Note: The difference between the default area and the maximum area for the Tamron are the narrow light blue bars in the overview below.

Some further observations:
The Tamron renders actually colder than the Sony in RAW. Clicking on the sunlit snowfield to the right of the left building results in identical colors, the Tamron at 7085K, the Sony at 6683K
The vignetting profile embedded is overcorrecting at 100% for the Tamron ( I reduced it to 41), whereas when one goes beyond the "safe" area, the Sony vignetting remains partly visible in the edges.

The 55mm f2.8shots #120 and #122 show a sharper picture for the Sony if one looks closely.

I also took a crop of the #129 (T 70mm f10) and #134 (S 55mm f10), resized the Sony to 140% with sharpening in Irfan and personally think that the resized crop is close to the Tamron at 70mm.
I don't want to diss the Tamron, but I think the pros are price & stabilisation & tele (especially for non A6600/6500 users) and the cons are less wideangle and size.

If I didn't have IBIS I would go for the Tamron since in a pinch you can still stitch panos.

Available wide angle with Tamron & Sony, default and maximum area available in RAW with C1 V20
Available wide angle with Tamron & Sony, default and maximum area available in RAW with C1 V20

But just when you think those lenses are comparable in IQ - they are not!

I took a crop right side of this scene, both lenses at wide angle and f2.8. The Tamron goes soft and fuzzy as a wide open zoom lens usually does at the edges.

But the Sony is crisp sharp - and wider- I have no idea how they manage this??

Before you ask, same story on the left side.

So the Sony is a wide angle zoom lens able to deliver f2.8 wide angle shots that are detailed all over the frame. So you can do landscape shots in low light without the need to stop down.

For tele, the performance over the frame is quite similar for both lenses, so this advantage of the Sony remains in the lower focal range.

It would be interesting to know at which aperture the Tamron picks up decent sharpness over the full frame.

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Hello.

If you are wondering if the 16-55 cropped at the end is equal to the Tamron at 70 you can see it yourself with the raw files Jake Sloan made in his review.


I have done a blind test with them and people couldn't tell the difference in small prints/IG which is what I shoot. I have found also that the Sony seems sharper along the whole focal range. Always based in those raws files.

Considering the size difference, the softness and a great 2nd hand deal made me jump for the Sony lens instead of the Tamrom.
The sample gallery from this vid has put my mind at ease a bit, I think I will end up getting this lens based on this. Just have to sell some old unused gear first.
This is a really good review and also great that he provides access to most sample shots as raw.

Great job in comparing these two lenses.
Courtesy of Jack Sloan's sample shots I processed in Capture One V20 and created an overlay of the DSC0117 & ...118 to show the differences between 16 and 17mm.

Especially in Capture One you can extend the picture wide area a lot with the Sony even beyond the 16mm. The difference in wideness is A LOT between these lenses. Even when using the default crop the difference between the "16" and "17" mm of these lenses is very noticable.

Note: The difference between the default area and the maximum area for the Tamron are the narrow light blue bars in the overview below.

Some further observations:
The Tamron renders actually colder than the Sony in RAW. Clicking on the sunlit snowfield to the right of the left building results in identical colors, the Tamron at 7085K, the Sony at 6683K
The vignetting profile embedded is overcorrecting at 100% for the Tamron ( I reduced it to 41), whereas when one goes beyond the "safe" area, the Sony vignetting remains partly visible in the edges.

The 55mm f2.8shots #120 and #122 show a sharper picture for the Sony if one looks closely.

I also took a crop of the #129 (T 70mm f10) and #134 (S 55mm f10), resized the Sony to 140% with sharpening in Irfan and personally think that the resized crop is close to the Tamron at 70mm.
I don't want to diss the Tamron, but I think the pros are price & stabilisation & tele (especially for non A6600/6500 users) and the cons are less wideangle and size.

If I didn't have IBIS I would go for the Tamron since in a pinch you can still stitch panos.

But just when you think those lenses are comparable in IQ - they are not!

I took a crop right side of this scene, both lenses at wide angle and f2.8. The Tamron goes soft and fuzzy as a wide open zoom lens usually does at the edges.

But the Sony is crisp sharp - and wider- I have no idea how they manage this??

Before you ask, same story on the left side.

So the Sony is a wide angle zoom lens able to deliver f2.8 wide angle shots that are detailed all over the frame. So you can do landscape shots in low light without the need to stop down.

For tele, the performance over the frame is quite similar for both lenses, so this advantage of the Sony remains in the lower focal range.

It would be interesting to know at which aperture the Tamron picks up decent sharpness over the full frame.
 
Arthur R does not show samples at 70mm nor mention unsharpness at that range, unless I missed it in the video. Thats a bit strange.
 
Arthur R does not show samples at 70mm nor mention unsharpness at that range, unless I missed it in the video. Thats a bit strange.
In a reply Arthur R says that he might discuss this in another video. "It isnt as good at 70 as it is at 55mm, but its not bad."

I really enjoyed this review because it confirmed previous comments that the skin tones with the Tamron are far more pleasing than the Sony. And because I mostly shoot portraits, that's a deal-breaker for me.
 
Arthur R does not show samples at 70mm nor mention unsharpness at that range, unless I missed it in the video. Thats a bit strange.
I like Arthur R. I also scanned through the vid looking for his thought on 70/2.8. Didn't see it. Strange.

The teapot shot from the ephotozine review is ridiculously awful. Owning this lens myself I will say that picture does not at all represent true results the using 70/2.8. I've shot TONS at that FL and aperture and my opinion is that yes it's a bit softer than the rest of the range but more than just acceptable. And if you pull it back 68mm it sharpens right back up.

Here are a couple examples that I think are better representations. Both shots were focused on the woman's face/head. Dog is soft due to Dof.

I've got loads more examples if interested.





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Arthur R does not show samples at 70mm nor mention unsharpness at that range, unless I missed it in the video. Thats a bit strange.
I like Arthur R. I also scanned through the vid looking for his thought on 70/2.8. Didn't see it. Strange.

The teapot shot from the ephotozine review is ridiculously awful. Owning this lens myself I will say that picture does not at all represent true results the using 70/2.8. I've shot TONS at that FL and aperture and my opinion is that yes it's a bit softer than the rest of the range but more than just acceptable. And if you pull it back 68mm it sharpens right back up.

Here are a couple examples that I think are better representations. Both shots were focused on the woman's face/head. Dog is soft due to Dof.

I've got loads more examples if interested.

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Perhaps you could provide a few shots 65-68 range at 2.8? The MTF charts really documented, IMO, very soft performance that sort of correlated with the teapot shot. One variable, of course, is the distance to subject. Some shots, perhaps portraits where this focal length would be commonly used would be helpful.
 
Perhaps you could provide a few shots 65-68 range at 2.8? The MTF charts really documented, IMO, very soft performance that sort of correlated with the teapot shot. One variable, of course, is the distance to subject. Some shots, perhaps portraits where this focal length would be commonly used would be helpful.
I suppose I should keep in mind that not everyone uses 70mm in the same way. I'm not sure why anyone would be shooting something like that teapot at 70mm but who knows.

So far I've been doing primarily "lifestyle" or "environmental portrait" type shots as this is my usual shooting style. I suspect the most common use of 70 would be for traditional portraits. In the next couple days I'll make it a point to do some head shots, half body shots and full length portraits at both 70 mm and 68mm for comparison. I'll post over in the other thread I started or just start another thread for the purpose of looking at 70mm.....no wading through all the previous posts.

I will say this though....If I felt this lens was very soft at 70 it would go back to the store without a second thought. While I'm not totally stoked on the sharpness at 70, it's more than acceptable. I'd say this is it's only true flaw. My work around will be to pull it back to 68ish if max sharpness is critical for a particular shot. Small sacrifice for what is a very useful lens for myself.
 

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