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A9III rumors... Could it really be?
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joger
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while I agree on a single digit count of clowns here in the forum I hardly see any altruistic aspect in keeping information in a secret group - that does not help others.
At least it is my intention to share findings and best practice as well as gathering information from others in the same way.
The speculation on new gear is most of the time fun and I skip many discussions.
joger
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"LOL" ??
The engagement is much better in general. A private (not secret) group creates a community. And on Facebook there is little hiding behind a forum handle. You get to know people especially if the group is less than 3000-5000 people. The relationships can go beyond photography.
And the trolls in the private groups are easily outed and removed and they don’t come back under a new forum name like they do here.
And the trolls in the private groups are easily outed and removed and they don’t come back under a new forum name like they do here.
Jojophotomo
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I'm looking forward to the A9 III because it will be the first pro camera Sony has designed since their partnership supplying equipment to AP News visual journalists.
So what I hope this means in terms of upgrades we see are:
True pro built-like-a-tank D5/1dXii body with integrated grip, and this includes rugged weather sealing
Improved EVF (I use an A9 and the quality of the EVF drives me batshit)
Improved AF speed and accuracy in low light situations
Improved DR
Improved High-ISO performance
This is what is important to me! I don't really care about things like FPS since 20 is insane anyways. And if people want more megapixels - buy an A7R IV. That is specifically what that camera line has always been designed for.
So what I hope this means in terms of upgrades we see are:
True pro built-like-a-tank D5/1dXii body with integrated grip, and this includes rugged weather sealing
Improved EVF (I use an A9 and the quality of the EVF drives me batshit)
Improved AF speed and accuracy in low light situations
Improved DR
Improved High-ISO performance
This is what is important to me! I don't really care about things like FPS since 20 is insane anyways. And if people want more megapixels - buy an A7R IV. That is specifically what that camera line has always been designed for.
what's wrong with the EVF?
I suspect the A9iii will get the Siii evf treatment aka movie theater mode. as long as they dont screw up the refresh rate, that's more important than quality of view.
Jojophotomo
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EVF scales down resolution when you click it into high refresh rate, and it just doesn't look good. Especially since cameras like the Z7 also have a 3.69mil dot EVF but they look sooooooo much better for some reason.
well the Siii has a gigantic EVF, but I think sony kept resolution down to preserve battery life. Uninterrupted lower res EVF > high res interrupted
Jojophotomo
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I stated something that I wished was improved on the A9III, and now you're trying to argue with me over my opinion on something that I dearly hope the A9III has and whether or not that's valid or something? Are you trying to tell me that Sony shouldn't have to make a better EVF for the A9III and that it's perfect as it is? What kind of argument is that?
people who want to carry a heavy brick around all day would be better off with a dslr, or possibly a-mount.
most sony owners don't want that, we already know that weight/size has nothing to do with weather sealing or reliability.
a9/a9ii is the only ilc on the market that has a real-time display, with no frame duplication.
not sure how the best evf performance on the market can drive somebody bat****
a9/a9ii already has that, better than the competition.
it's a tradeoff that sony made with the stacked sensor, i'm glad that they did it that way.
a9/a9ii already has that.
a9/a9ii is targeted at the sports shooter market, which very much appreciates 20fps capability.
the better argument here is that perhaps you aren't the target market for the a9 series, given that you don't want 20fps, you don't want real-time display in the evf, etc.
the a9iii will be another sports camera, so it will also have compromises that you don't want, why not look at the a7 series.
Jojophotomo
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I don't think you understand who the A9III is designed for. It's not for most Sony users. It's for a very specific crowd of sports shooters, and visual journalists. Cameras used in this way will see harsh elements and will need to be durable, AND solidly weather sealed. My A9 has already had to be serviced twice because of poor weather sealing.
Best EVF performance on the market? It's good, but please don't speak in absolutes. Don't you want a better EVF?
Again, I have used an A9 for two years, so I'm merely speaking to my experience.
Again, speaking in absolutes. So are you just happy and fine with the A9 and don't think it ever needs to be improved in anyway whatsoever because it's just perfect as it is?
I sound like a broken record here.
You clearly have never photographed sports. 20 FPS is needed for specific types of sports, but that's not EVERY sport.
I thought I had blocked you so I"m unsure how I'm seeing your response here. You just assume assume assume.
I never said that I don't LIKE 20 FPS. I just said it's mostly overkill. You assumed that means I don't like it.
I never said anything about not liking a real-time EVF. I do, it's part of what makes this camera special. But you again assume that means that I don't like it.
What I'm getting out of this is that you have no concept of what professional sports photographers and photojournalists need out of their equipment.
You are ignorant and toxic. Goodbye.
AZheaven
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Well said! I'm for sure not in the A9/A9II or even the A9III market. But Sony needs to step up it's game with the EVF's in any new camera. And since the A7C has the 24mp sensor they need to give us a bigger sensor in the A7IV when it comes out.
i've owned the a9 since it first came out, and i shoot sports, i know for a fact that the a9 is the best camera on the market for sports shooting.
the fact that sony upgraded the a9ii with sports-specific updates like light flicker control on the electronic shutter proves that sports is the primary target market for these cameras.
it's not arguable.
the a9 has xlnt weather sealing, many a9 owners have attested to that already, including myself.
not sure what part of "real-time display" and "no frame duplication" was unclear.
people who actually shoot sports with the a9 understand what those things are, and why it matters.
my experience is that a9/a9ii already have the best low-light af on the market.
but then i know how to operate it low-light conditions, i.e., don't use slow glass and don't expect the best results with stopped-down apertures.
"absolutes"? lol, i'm not the one who is making ridiculous claims about the evf being "bat****"
because i know and understand the value of features like zero frame duplication in the evf, and why it matters so much for sports shooters.
as someone posted earlier... a bigger evf will increase the power draw, there is no free lunch here.
same thing big porky brick bodies, that's not in the tradition of sony milc.
i think that you'd be happier with another brand of camera.
more like claims about things being "bat****" don't make sense.
i've posted literally dozens of sports pics on dpr, so that sounds like projection.
great, more name-calling.
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true, sony has already set expectations for those feature improvements, based on past releases.
and pretty much everyone is in agreement that the a9/a9ii could use a higher mp sensor, plus we'd hope that it comes with a small power draw penalty, given the improvements in semi-conductor technologies since 2017... that should also step up the resolution of the real-time display when shooting, although i don't have any problem visually tracking the target with what we have now.
we have to be realistic, the a7c has the best cipa-rated battery life of any ff camera on the market today, and it also has a weak evf... those things are not coincidential.
sky is the limit? give us a global shutter on the a9iii
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One thing to keep in mind: The A9 is made for a number of purposes / use-cases, and quite a few include fast delivery to the client, which also means no or only minimal processing of any sort. Read: Camera OOC JPG. What you certainly don't want to mess with in such scenarios, even in terms of automated post-processing: Massive aliasing because of interactions with textile fabrics, for example. "Look, my camera produces super sharp images" -- "Yeah, but why is the suit of the president looking purple instead of dark blue?" ... oopsy! I'd rather opt for a bit stronger AA filter than having to deal with aliasing issues, and I've seen a number of news images which had clearly visible and massive aliasing problems already. You just don't want that.
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I get that. Owning both the A9 and A7III though, I do feel that the A7III hits the AA sweet spot for detail vs moiré risk. I have yet to see it impact any of my hundred of thousands of images, but the A9's AA filter really dials down the detail in all images, which is very noticeable for me.
TheOwl360
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IMO, the A9II is not only the best Sony “sports” camera. It is the best Sony camera.
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Huh? The opposite seems true.
The A7III shipped without Animal eye-AF, and didn't support hybrid autofocus with the LA-EA3 adapter. Those are pretty significant functional improvements for an existing camera.
I can't find a firmware update history for the A9, but I suspect that the feature set was comparable to the A7III. The latest firmware is mostly inline with A7IV series.
It's nearly a full-generation of improvements on an existing body.
I never expected anything like that when I shot with DSLRs. Firmware improvements mostly fixed bugs, and compatibility improvements.
The main complaint seems to be that Sony provides major firmware improvements for their current generation cameras, but does not back-port those improvements to previous generation bodies.
The original A9 was upgraded a year and a half after release to add Real Time Tracking. I’m not sure one could say there was ever a more substantial free firmware update in the history of Interchangeable lens cameras.
Going from FW4.1 to FW5.0 was like getting a brand new camera.
Going from FW4.1 to FW5.0 was like getting a brand new camera.
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SilvanBromide
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Agreed - that's the substance of most complaints.
Which, when you think about it, is complete nonsense.
Microsoft are not still issuing updates and adding new features to Windows '98. Gee I wonder why not. Apple are not adding new features to OSX 10.12.x. And I'm *still* waiting for a firmware update for my Dyson! ; )
Seriously, Sony actually do quite a lot - and even compare relatively favourably to others in the pro camera market. The main exceptions being several manufacturers who have a history of releasing products in a raw pre-beta form, then fixing them with major updates after their release. We should be thankful that Sony *don't* do that!
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