I gave up on mirrorless and FF too

Waldemar · Jan 5, 2021

I´ve had enough of ML.

I´ve had the Fujifilm X-T2 since spring 2019 and while it´s a nice camera, I recently went back to DSLR and bought a used Nikon D7500 with a couple of lenses.

Reasons being:

- I don´t want to manage multiple batteries anymore and having to think about carrying several - hopefully fully charged - batteries with me. A solution would have been to get the X-T4 with its larger battery, but that would have solved the problem only halfway. Plus I don´t like flippy screens and I find the X-T4 quite expensive for a hobbyist. I considered the Sony A7 III (better battery life...), but the lenses are huge and the price tags quite often too.

- After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten,

- Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great and really cheap in comparison to the ML stuff. There is huge second hand market. Hell, a 1:1 90mm macro lens with VR cost me 250 Euros in mint condition, boxed.

Considering FF: While the shots look great on screen, the impact of the shot (I have a 17" printer) has nothing to do with resolution or FF vs. APS-C. Having a real printer again and actually printing and framing my shots was really an eye opener. My family and friends love having the great black & white prints on their walls, I can´t make enough of them.

But I´ve kept my old trusty Sony A7 Mark I for specialty usage with the Canon 16-35 II. The A7 I is small, light, the battery didn´t die after some months on the shelf and it is very easy to use, since it only has a bare minimum of functions. I would sell it, if there was an APS-C equivalent (considering sunstars) to the 16-35, but there isn´t.

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Waldemar

Ad12 · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
I´ve had enough of ML.

I´ve had the Fujifilm X-T2 since spring 2019 and while it´s a nice camera, I recently went back to DSLR and bought a used Nikon D7500 with a couple of lenses.

Reasons being:

- I don´t want to manage multiple batteries anymore and having to think about carrying several - hopefully fully charged - batteries with me. A solution would have been to get the X-T4 with its larger battery, but that would have solved the problem only halfway. Plus I don´t like flippy screens and I find the X-T4 quite expensive for a hobbyist. I considered the Sony A7 III (better battery life...), but the lenses are huge and the price tags quite often too.

- After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten,

- Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great and really cheap in comparison to the ML stuff. There is huge second hand market. Hell, a 1:1 90mm macro lens with VR cost me 250 Euros in mint condition, boxed.

Considering FF: While the shots look great on screen, the impact of the shot (I have a 17" printer) has nothing to do with resolution or FF vs. APS-C. Having a real printer again and actually printing and framing my shots was really an eye opener. My family and friends love having the great black & white prints on their walls, I can´t make enough of them.

But I´ve kept my old trusty Sony A7 Mark I for specialty usage with the Canon 16-35 II. The A7 I is small, light, the battery didn´t die after some months on the shelf and it is very easy to use, since it only has a bare minimum of functions. I would sell it, if there was an APS-C equivalent (considering sunstars) to the 16-35, but there isn´t.

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Waldemar

There is an adaptor now from fringer giving full AF capability for Nikon lenses on Fuji bodies.

21William · Jan 5, 2021

Just out of interest how do the menus compare on the Nikon? I’ve only seen brief views in the past and they looked pretty good. Are they better than the Fuji?

a_c_skinner · Jan 5, 2021

"Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great"

Actually they are not. They are mostly OK.

Valdai21 · Jan 5, 2021

Well, the main important thing is you found the right combination for you.

I owned several Fuji cameras including old models and I never had any battery problem.

I also have Nikon DSLRs and while most lenses are not expensive, I don't think there are better than the Fujinons, at least perceived build quality is very different. As far as image quality is concerned, I'm happy with my f/1,8 G lineup for the price I paid (less than $300 per lens) but the Fujinons are easier to use wide open. Special mention to my Tokina 100mm f/2,8 macro, very sharp and cheap lens. If you are interested into macro or wildlife, then DSLR options are more developed and less expensive than mirrorless lenses.

I don't think my Sony A7 is a simple camera... I keep it because it's full frame and takes almost every lens possible but ergonomics are poor and battery life is horrible.

uniball · Jan 5, 2021

a_c_skinner said:
"Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great"

Actually they are not. They are mostly OK.

Certainly correct for DX lenses. 35 year Nikon shooter.

uniball · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten,

Interesting. Until recently, for 25 years I split my year between Switzerland and the USA. Left some Fuji's, batteries removed, for 4 to 6 months each year. Never lost settings. You must have long winters.

DocetLector · Jan 5, 2021

My X-T2 `s 3 batteries (I have the battery grip permanently installed) need to be

recharged every 3 to 4 weeks because the camera needs quite some power even

if not in use.

That does not happen on my X-T1 which I still have . I did not use this camera for more

than 2 months and the 2 batteries (also with battery grip) are still fully charged.

biza43 · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
- I don´t want to manage multiple batteries anymore and having to think about carrying several - hopefully fully charged - batteries with me. A solution would have been to get the X-T4 with its larger battery, but that would have solved the problem only halfway. Plus I don´t like flippy screens and I find the X-T4 quite expensive for a hobbyist. I considered the Sony A7 III (better battery life...), but the lenses are huge and the price tags quite often too.

Sony has several FE lenses that are small, good, and cheap. You don't need to go to the G or GM line. Examples: 28, 35, 55, 85.

Member said:
- After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten,

It happens with several electronic kit.

Member said:
- Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great and really cheap in comparison to the ML stuff. There is huge second hand market. Hell, a 1:1 90mm macro lens with VR cost me 250 Euros in mint condition, boxed.

It's a good market to buy used, because it keeps losing a lot of value.
Anyway, it is very good to have so many choices.

Geekapoo · Jan 5, 2021

21William said:
Just out of interest how do the menus compare on the Nikon? I’ve only seen brief views in the past and they looked pretty good. Are they better than the Fuji?

I owned a D750 prior to purchasing an XT3. I appreciate that the views about UI are subjective and for me, Nikon menus and interface pale on comparison to Fuji..no contest. For me re menus, Fuji >Panasonic >Olympus >Nikon > Canon >Sony.

Truman Prevatt · Jan 5, 2021

Valdai21 said:
Well, the main important thing is you found the right combination for you.
I owned several Fuji cameras including old models and I never had any battery problem.

I would have said that until last week. I was using my 90 f2 on my Pro3. I normally use the OVF on my Pro2/3 but I needed precise framing since my targets were mostly birds so I flipped the Pro3 over to EVF. I have never run of of batter on my XPro before. I could get all the shots I wanted before I took a break with the XPro using the OVF. Not so with the EVF - as while trying to get into position to compose a shot no more battery.

Yep I had an extra as I usually carry an extra battery. But I must admit it was pretty annoying.

Bill Ferris · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
I´ve had enough of ML.

I´ve had the Fujifilm X-T2 since spring 2019 and while it´s a nice camera, I recently went back to DSLR and bought a used Nikon D7500 with a couple of lenses.

Reasons being:

- I don´t want to manage multiple batteries anymore and having to think about carrying several - hopefully fully charged - batteries with me.

I carry at least two spare batteries whenever I'm out with my Fuji X-T20 or Nikon DSLR cameras. I would recommend other photographers employ a similar strategy. Having at least one spare is essential. Two spares gives one a margin of error. The Fuji batts are conveniently small.

Member said:
Plus I don´t like flippy screens

The D7500 has an articulating screen similar to the X-T2.

Member said:
- After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten

I've had an X-T20 since 2017 and, while I've found the battery on a low charge after weeks of not being used, I've never found the camera in a completely dead state.

Member said:
- Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great and really cheap in comparison to the ML stuff.

Fuji APS-C lenses are superior to Nikon's dedicated DX lenses. Nikon makes a great selection of full frame lenses and you could spend as much to buy one new 600mm f/4E as it would cost to buy one copy of just about every X-series lens. However, Fuji has decidedly superior offerings in APS-C glass.

Member said:
There is huge second hand market. Hell, a 1:1 90mm macro lens with VR cost me 250 Euros in mint condition, boxed.

There is definitely a much larger used market of Nikon and Canon full-frame glass from which to choose.

Member said:
Considering FF: While the shots look great on screen, the impact of the shot (I have a 17" printer) has nothing to do with resolution or FF vs. APS-C.

If you're saying there's no performance difference between full-frame and APS-C sensors, or sensors of the same format but different resolution, that's just a factually incorrect statement.

Whether or not a person looking at photos notices a difference, depends on the person. If the differences don't matter to you, they don't.

Member said:
Having a real printer again and actually printing and framing my shots was really an eye opener. My family and friends love having the great black & white prints on their walls, I can´t make enough of them.

Good for you for printing, framing, and displaying your photos.

--
Bill Ferris Photography
Flagstaff, AZ
http://www.billferris.photoshelter.com

Andy873 · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
I´ve had enough of ML.

I´ve had the Fujifilm X-T2 since spring 2019 and while it´s a nice camera, I recently went back to DSLR and bought a used Nikon D7500 with a couple of lenses.

Reasons being:

- I don´t want to manage multiple batteries anymore and having to think about carrying several - hopefully fully charged - batteries with me. A solution would have been to get the X-T4 with its larger battery, but that would have solved the problem only halfway.

learn to turn it off, the switch is right there for a good reason

Member said:
Plus I don´t like flippy screens and I find the X-T4 quite expensive for a hobbyist. I considered the Sony A7 III (better battery life...), but the lenses are huge and the price tags quite often too.

No they're not, get the small lenses if you don't want big ones.

Member said:
- After I picked up my Fujifilm X-T2 after a couple month of nun-usage (I don´t shoot in the winter) its battery was dead, all settings lost and time / date forgotten,

let me guess, you bout one for $200 with 300,000 shutter count and no paint left on the outside?

Member said:
- Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great and really cheap in comparison to the ML stuff. There is huge second hand market. Hell, a 1:1 90mm macro lens with VR cost me 250 Euros in mint condition, boxed.

you mean old lenses are cheaper? For real?

Member said:
Considering FF: While the shots look great on screen, the impact of the shot (I have a 17" printer) has nothing to do with resolution or FF vs. APS-C.

Except they have everything to do with it. Just because APS-C is "good enough" for you doesn't mean there's no difference.

Member said:
Having a real printer again and actually printing and framing my shots was really an eye opener. My family and friends love having the great black & white prints on their walls, I can´t make enough of them.

But I´ve kept my old trusty Sony A7 Mark I for specialty usage with the Canon 16-35 II. The A7 I is small, light, the battery didn´t die after some months on the shelf and it is very easy to use, since it only has a bare minimum of functions.

Err what? What drugs are you on? If you want to leave it on the shelf take the battery out? It's easy to use? Or maybe you're just used to it? Only minimum functions? Or maybe you just don't know how to use the other functions?

Member said:
I would sell it, if there was an APS-C equivalent (considering sunstars) to the 16-35, but there isn´t.

Except there is, it's called the 10-24

Waldemar · Jan 5, 2021

21William said:
Just out of interest how do the menus compare on the Nikon? I’ve only seen brief views in the past and they looked pretty good. Are they better than the Fuji?

In the beginning I found Fujis menues pretty daunting, but once I set the camera up, it was o.k, I didn´t have to go there anymore. Until the battery became empty and the camera forgot all its settings, that is.

Nikon menues are pretty simple, but you also need the manual (or forums...).

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Waldemar · Jan 5, 2021

Andy873 said:
Andy873 said:

I would sell it, if there was an APS-C equivalent (considering sunstars) to the 16-35, but there isn´t.

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Except there is, it's called the 10-24

Oh, no worry, I do own the Fujinon 10-24 (on sale now).

Nice lens, but can you show me one good sunstar shot that was made with this lens? Because that´s what I meant with "APS-C equivalent", if you cared to read.

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Waldemar

dccberry · Jan 5, 2021

a_c_skinner said:
"Lenses for Nikon F are mostly great"

Actually they are not. They are mostly OK.

They are just as "OK" if not better than most Fuji lenses in my experience.

John Gellings · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
I´ve had enough of ML.

I´ve had the Fujifilm X-T2 since spring 2019 and while it´s a nice camera, I recently went back to DSLR and bought a used Nikon D7500 with a couple of lenses.

Congratulations! :-|

mtnroads · Jan 5, 2021

Nice sunstars! Use what makes you happy!

Northernfocused · Jan 5, 2021

Hi Waldemar!

I just did the opposite of you - permanently left Nikon and now am only on Fuji mirrorless.

The important thing is to shoot with what you enjoy shooting with - otherwise it can be a chore or just the means to an end (a good picture). We live in a good time of immense choices, so you made the best choice for yourself.

Good luck to you - enjoy your Nikon gear.

--
Larry

http://www.SeldomFocused.com

Andy873 · Jan 5, 2021

Waldemar said:
Andy873 said:

Member said:

I would sell it, if there was an APS-C equivalent (considering sunstars) to the 16-35, but there isn´t.

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Except there is, it's called the 10-24

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Oh, no worry, I do own the Fujinon 10-24 (on sale now).

Nice lens, but can you show me one good sunstar shot that was made with this lens? Because that´s what I meant with "APS-C equivalent", if you cared to read.

whether or not you get sun stars have absolutely nothing to do with sensor format...

I gave up on mirrorless and FF too

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