D200 lingerie shoot (NSFW I guess? Don't know)

I've been (once again, or as always) in love with the D200, participating on the D200 AA filter removal thread.

So I'm here watching some old work done with the D200, and why not share, heh?

Hope this illustrates very well why the old school CFA, D200 CCD is so celebrated for skin tones )))))))) haha


proudly shot on the D200

Model:

Anna Caroline Reis

If you wanna watch the backstage of that shoot (it's worth your time), here it is:

Lingerie shoot for Luis XV:


Now, this really, reaaaaally makes me wish I could burn some cash on a new D200 and remove its AA filter (too strong AA filter is the only thing I dislike about that otherwise perfect camera).

Best regards,
Marcio Napoli

Marcio

Great stills, beautiful model and great production video!!
My D200 story goes like this. I have been shooting my D500 and d750 along with a couple Fuji’s for few years now. Looking at some of my old pictures what caught my eye was photos from my very old Olympus c765 uz. Small sensor and 4mp but the colors stand out. I found out it had a CCD sensor so I started poking around looking at old cameras and decided to buy a few with different sensors. My idea is to not just shoot with the later CMOS sensors cameras but to add some variety. I picked up the D200 along with a fuji S5 pro and the sigma sd1m. All with different sensors. I knew the D200 image sharpness could be improved at the time I purchase it and the reason for my AA filter thread. Looking at D200 OOC raws compared to my D500 raws using fastrawviewer one can really see the softness compared to the D500 with no AA filter.



DA

... From an artistic perspective, I find sharpness wildly overrated. Yes, it catches your eye, but detracts from the overall impression of the image.

... I detest modern cameras and modern sensors. I own two D100s and a D200. Love the 10MP D200, but much prefer the 6MP D100s. The D200 is just too sharp, the resolution is distracting. Yes, it is realistic, but it loses the magic in it’s realism.

... Personal thoughts, but something to consider when trying to get more sharpness out of the D200.

I agree sharpening can be over done and a way for manufacturers to sell cameras. I have a few newer cameras that I find default sharpening over done and I need to reduce the defaults values for at least jpg output. But for the D200 Nikon may have been to conservative with the AA filter. Later models using the same or slightly different 10mp sensor seem to have reduced the strength of AA filtering (D80, D60 etc). Now many Models have no AA filtering.

Everyone’s eye is different so what seems to sharp or to blurry will never be agreed on.

Can you post a few shots of what you think look best to your eye in regards to IQ and resolution?

DA

... Alright. A D100 photo from this morning. Slightly missed focus at F1.4, but the image is sharp enough because the subject is clear and transitions smoothly into the layers of context. Consider it a more comfortable image than a technically sharper, higher resolution, higher dynamic range.. more realistic image.

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... “I wander, and I follow my eyes, and the light tells me where to go.”
.......... Douglas A. Yates.

da7329 said:

Marcio

Great stills, beautiful model and great production video!!
My D200 story goes like this. I have been shooting my D500 and d750 along with a couple Fuji’s for few years now. Looking at some of my old pictures what caught my eye was photos from my very old Olympus c765 uz. Small sensor and 4mp but the colors stand out. I found out it had a CCD sensor so I started poking around looking at old cameras and decided to buy a few with different sensors. My idea is to not just shoot with the later CMOS sensors cameras but to add some variety. I picked up the D200 along with a fuji S5 pro and the sigma sd1m. All with different sensors. I knew the D200 image sharpness could be improved at the time I purchase it and the reason for my AA filter thread. Looking at D200 OOC raws compared to my D500 raws using fastrawviewer one can really see the softness compared to the D500 with no AA filter.

DA

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DA, my taste has gravitated in similar ways.

I absolutely have no interest in modern CMOS cameras, and have invested only in "exotic" gear like DMF cameras, SD1M, Leica M8.

Most of them are featured in my You Tube channel, with some Nikons here and there throw into the mix.

On this episode below, it's mostly Phase One with Nikon D3x.

Forest shoot:


Next video scheduled for mid January, it will be mostly Leica M8, then Sd1M will have the spotlight, etc.

I love my cameras to take turns

So just by your choice of sensors, it looks like we agree on many levels. (BTW, also had the S3 - same sensor as the S5, absolutely lovely sensor).

It's one way to keep the passion high, and to find inspiration.

I mean, most of the older cameras took way, waaaay bolder choices in sensor design (I can explain that if curious) so when it comes to digital, older cameras have far more character.

Selecting these old cameras is the closest you get, in digital, to selecting your film stock for the day.

I believe you'll agree.

Now, regarding that lingerie shoot, a little backstory.

If you look the date it was posted, it was 2012, why was the D200 chosen in 2012 for a catalog?

Back in the day, the D700 was my workhorse, but after a really tiresome day, I got home and pulled my bag out of the back seat without checking if the bag was zipped (it wasn't).

My 24-70 was split in half, and D700 got some damage.

So the backup D200 was back into duty for some time, and needless to say, I love it.

If I had one without AA filter, I'd use it on my next You Tube video with a huge smile.

I seriously need to get me a new D200!

Best regards,
Marcio Napoli

Iain G Foulds said:

... Alright. A D100 photo from this morning. Slightly missed focus at F1.4, but the image is sharp enough because the subject is clear and transitions smoothly into the layers of context. Consider it a more comfortable image than a technically sharper, higher resolution, higher dynamic range.. more realistic image.

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Iain, lovely image, and I completely see where you're coming from.

I'll say that one's taste for sharpness depends on the type of photography.

In my case, it's always fashion, so technical IQ is a must.

But I completely understand your point, and would say that in some cases, the older output from the D100 and D200 are still unmatched.

Let's say someone likes to shoot travel, or street photography. Personally I'd totally use a D100 with it's more kodachrome like feel, rich colors, contrasty DR, punchy, vibrant look with a bit of grain, over any modern CMOS cameras.

To be honest, I've been looking a lot on D100 You Tube videos.

Will probably get one sooner of later.

Seriously, these older cameras are just too awesome.

Best regards,
Marcio Napoli

... Marco: Appreciate your thoughts. You would definitely see the magic in a D100.

... Personally, I think photography has almost died because technicians have been chasing a holy grail of sharpness, resolution, etc for a generation of “development”, but have lost the magic along the way.

... Crusading for a renaissance of the qualities of early CCD sensors.

Iain

This is a nice one. It has a calming feel that works well with the light. Sharper edges would ruin the feel than is expressed it this image. Thanks for posting.

DA

... DA: Appreciate that. When I had modern cameras, I would think nothing of adding sharpening.

... Now, I am very sparing with any adjustments... if any. Love the RAW images SOOC with the older CCDs. Not a fan of the jpegs.

Iain G Foulds said:

... From an artistic perspective, I find sharpness wildly overrated. Yes, it catches your eye, but detracts from the overall impression of the image.

... I detest modern cameras and modern sensors. I own two D100s and a D200. Love the 10MP D200, but much prefer the 6MP D100s. The D200 is just too sharp, the resolution is distracting. Yes, it is realistic, but it loses the magic in it’s realism.

... Personal thoughts, but something to consider when trying to get more sharpness out of the D200.

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This is a very interesting perspective. I think I am the opposite. I do dislike over-sharpened images, but I like the natural sharpness of a very high-end lens on a high-resolution sensor. But I wonder if part of that has to do with the type of subject as well. I am not so stringent with people, and I like to use vintage lenses for portraits. But for birds, I must have extreme resolving power.

Iain G Foulds said:

... Marco: Appreciate your thoughts. You would definitely see the magic in a D100.

... Personally, I think photography has almost died because technicians have been chasing a holy grail of sharpness, resolution, etc for a generation of “development”, but have lost the magic along the way.

... Crusading for a renaissance of the qualities of early CCD sensors.

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Hi Iain,

I'll definitely pick up a nice D100 some day, I see the qualities you appreciate so much, so 1+

Won't buy it now because my You Tube channel consumes every cent I have, and being in Brazil, even a D100 is not exactly cheap (it's close to 800 bucks in local currency, argh)

Not now, but someday for sure.

I agree with you on modern cameras, even though I have some high end models, all are at least 10 years old tech haha

Guess what, much, much prefer that old tech to anything current.

I'm with you regarding resolution, etc, but just for fun I ran a D100 file (DPR staff credits) on AI Gigapixel,

Got some interesting 6 to 24mp results:











When it comes to sensor output, I'm super alergic to AI artifacts and am quite a sensor purist (love the original, untouched output from the actual sensor).

Hate AI "enhancements", ugh.

That said, it's a nice experiment if one needs more than 6 mp but loves the D100 rendering for that once or twice rare situation.

Best regards,
Marcio Napoli

... Marcio: Looking forward to a D100 finding a home with you. Sometimes these things happen quicker than you would think... You already see the beauty, so it will find you...

Iain

How would you compare the D100 to the d70/70s? Most importantly the raw files from each.



thanks

DA

... Da: It is the good question. One I am really pursuing.

... Since my last post, I have bought a mint D700, taken a few hundred photos, and am now selling it. I am also selling my D200. Both are excellent cameras, but I see the magic in the D100 and the D70. (Also refined my lenses down to one- the magnificent Zenitar 85/1.4)

... Love both the D100 and D70. The greatest magic and mystery is in the D100. It has a richness and balance of colour like no other. The subtle, authentic tones and blending of colours makes modern sensors look like crayon drawings.

... The D70 is also beautiful, in a simpler way. But, definitely deep, natural and vibrant colour. I’m going back and forth between the two these days. However, I would ride off into the sunrise with a D100.

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... “I wander, and I follow my eyes, and the light tells me where to go.”
.......... Douglas A. Yates.

Hi Iain

Thanks for your input. I did read that the D70 has a light AA filter. I don’t know how that compares to the d100 with respect to its AA filter but a difference in AA filter would effect the raw files from each and why I ask about raw files from both. The sensor is the same I’m quite sure but the AA filter might be different. I have been looking at buying a D100 or D70/70s based on what you have presented in earlier posts in this and similar threads. The D70 does have a few improvements over the D100 sync speed, rear screen size etc, but if the raw files compared to the D100 raw files are lacking then the older D100 would be better suited as the raw file is where the beauty lies.

DA

... DA: I only shoot Raw myself, and find I do almost no processing with either camera. Perhaps a little exposure and warming up. Not an expert, but I believe that they are different sensors.

... There are advantages to the D70. I shoot an F1.4 lens wide open most of the time, so the 1/8000 shutter speed is surprisingly handy. Also, the LCD is a big difference. The D70 is a much better screen. The D100 screen is definitely challenging, but in time you begin to understand what it is telling you.

... Both have a good, solid build, but I prefer the more pro feel of the D100. And, I find the viewfinder of the D100 superior- important when focusing at F1.4.

... So, both have advantages and disadvantages. You would enjoy either camera. Looking forward to the new chapter in your photography!

Iain, Sounds like you like the raw files from both. Do you see any glaring differences comparing raw files from the D100 and d70?

DA

D100


D70

... OK. Different days, and different lighting conditions, so completely unfair comparison. No processing. Simply the Raw image as downloaded.

... WB is more of a challenge with the earlier cameras, but the D70 seems a sharper, and more dynamic image, through perhaps because it slightly emphasizes the warm and cool range. However, to my eye, the D100 is the more authentic, subtle and rich image.

... Again, a very unfair and unprofessional comparison.

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... “I wander, and I follow my eyes, and the light tells me where to go.”
.......... Douglas A. Yates.

Thanks for posting Iain. Tough call looking these but I like the D100 shot better because of the lighting. In the same lighting maybe a wash between the two. Maybe be I will need to buy one of each. BTW what software are you using to process your raws?

thanks

DA