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Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show, and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
All,

I knew I would butch this up some how. Here is a link that will work for the gallery, again I hope, but I'll check it.

http://www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
Bob Myers WB7SBW
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Where is the org, can I get to it anywhere ?

--
No, I'm not a Pro, but I did read the Olympus Talk Forum last night.
Bill Huber, Fort Worth, Tx
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber
 
I find that happens to my pics too; but then, PSP/PS (and/or NeatImage, for the noise) can work it out.

The sky often has 'atmospheric noise'...depending on the smog levels, time of day, sun, etc. The bright background of sky behind the planes causes that CA (as is noticeable in other high contrast scenes).

I've noted others who've posted 'plane shots' where that has also been the case. I don't think you or your camera had any control over the situation, or that it's the monitor. And, I also find that 'prints' tend to come out looking cleaner in many cases.

Actually, some of them (in the gallery) came out quite nicely!

FWIW...
Jim K.
John Hilmer said:
I knew I would butch this up some how. Here is a link that will
work for the gallery, again I hope, but I'll check it.

http://www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
Jim K...UZI'ing, & UZing (c-7oo), just outside Detroit, MI...US of A
http://www.pbase.com/jkorsog ...Pbase supporter
http://jimk.instantlogic.com/
 
Nothing I wouln't expect on shots like that ~ that's a lot of blue, blue sky John!!

Nice shots, BTW!!!

DaveZ
UZI
John Hilmer said:
I knew I would butch this up some how. Here is a link that will
work for the gallery, again I hope, but I'll check it.

http://www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
 
Bill,

The best link I found is;

http://www.salinasairshow.com/

Not that I searched real hard or anything of that sort.

Maybe it will give you something to work from.

BTW, one of your guys left a cell number and name for me so that he could make contact to complete a delivery, on Friday afternoon. He came by at 6:30 with the package, "on my way back" says he.

He was at least half the distance to the facility away from me when we talked, and on the closer side to home, so he came back up the hill to make one delivery to me. Kudos again for the right carrier.

I'll be expecting this from ups! now; yeah, right. UPS, OOPS! , properly named as I see it.

Can I do a bit more to find you the dot.org site? I'm willin', sometimes they hide them, but I have contacts if you need it.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
I was wanting your original shot to play with, the CA is not bad but there is a lot of noise in it and wanted to see if I could do anything with it.

I am glad to here that Fedex took care of you, if they hadn't I would have had to take some action...........LOL Like I could do anything.

--
No, I'm not a Pro, but I did read the Olympus Talk Forum last night.
Bill Huber, Fort Worth, Tx
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber
 
Bill,

I'll send you anything you want so that you can play with it, but let me know which one you want.

Argh, I'm off line E-Mail wise.

I'm also outta drive for tonight.

I've been up since 2:30 AM California time, and struggled with the 'puter for a while to boot.

I'll be back on line tomorrow AM.

As CC would say; "Off to the recliner and a chaser".

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
John,

Same problem here with my airshow pictures. There's noise around the outside of each aircraft when shot against a blue sky.

Not sure what the cause it, but it seems to be exagerated when I compress the image to upload to PBase. Link to some of the Heritage flights you saw below, and the A-10 shots on the bottom.

Walker

http://www.pbase.com/walker/heritage_flight

http://www.pbase.com/walker
Hogdriver



 
they are pretty good pictures considering the foact that you took them with flourescent lights. ;-) I know lots of people have been using that Neat Image NR but did you try Dave's NR Action?

I stole you picture from your gallery and ran Dave's NR at Aggresive / I did nothing else to the picture, no sharpening, no resize, just NR Action in PS at Aggressive and save back to JPG -
Really Aggresssive might have been more then necessary -
Here it is-

http://www.pbase.com/image/22655712/original
Walker said:
John,

Same problem here with my airshow pictures. There's noise around
the outside of each aircraft when shot against a blue sky.

Not sure what the cause it, but it seems to be exagerated when I
compress the image to upload to PBase. Link to some of the
Heritage flights you saw below, and the A-10 shots on the bottom.

Walker

http://www.pbase.com/walker/heritage_flight

http://www.pbase.com/walker
Hogdriver



Click to expand...
--

'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
 
John, the original one of the one you posted.



--
No, I'm not a Pro, but I did read the Olympus Talk Forum last night.
Bill Huber, Fort Worth, Tx
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber
 
at normal mode and sharpened -

http://www.pbase.com/image/22655858
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--

'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
 
John:

I left my computer on and came out between the 7th and 8th inning to look at your post and I thought - gad these are great - but at that time of the night I would wait till this morning - well I still have the same opinion - wish I had been there - yeah right.

I then looked at Walker's Pbase and I can't see any difference other than your sky is bluer - and probably he's up there in a Hog taken his (ah dream on)

Anyway I put your picture and one from Walker side by side - no screwing around with anything.



For the larger size

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/data/500/103John_Hilmer_Comparison.jpg

I hope this helps but other than what Kim has done I think they are super.
Does this still show up what your seeing?

CC

Canadian Club (with a chaser)
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery.jpg

http://gmockrcpilot.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {BD05EEAC-7A8E-4CDA-A373-7B04E7D65A9D} {90CE144B-FECA-4769-8742-6DF343B37B05}tn.jpg
21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO

Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys, but they have no military value.'
 
CC & All,

Just now got back on line and looked through all of the above.

Everyone has tried to help and I appreciate it very much. All images in this thread Except for Walkers look terrible, and Kims look the worst of all, LOL.

I think that this monitor has about had it. It is a ViewSonic GT770 Graphic Series. I just checked the reciept and I bought it 11/7/98 for $397.28.

Does it seem reasonable that it would start showing heavy noise etc. as it begins to die? I know that after some time the convergence falls off and the phospher wears out, but is this indicative of those factors?

I should look through this thread on the other machine to see the difference. Hum, the other monitor isn't much newer than this one and I may have two problems to deal with.

I'm gonna switch to the other machine. I'll be back on line shortly.

Thanks again to everyone.

John
Canadian Club said:
John:

I left my computer on and came out between the 7th and 8th inning
to look at your post and I thought - gad these are great - but at
that time of the night I would wait till this morning - well I
still have the same opinion - wish I had been there - yeah right.

I then looked at Walker's Pbase and I can't see any difference
other than your sky is bluer - and probably he's up there in a Hog
taken his (ah dream on)

Anyway I put your picture and one from Walker side by side - no
screwing around with anything.



For the larger size

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/data/500/103John_Hilmer_Comparison.jpg

I hope this helps but other than what Kim has done I think they are
super.
Does this still show up what your seeing?

CC

Canadian Club (with a chaser)
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery.jpg

http://gmockrcpilot.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {BD05EEAC-7A8E-4CDA-A373-7B04E7D65A9D} {90CE144B-FECA-4769-8742-6DF343B37B05}tn.jpg
21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO
Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys,
but they have no military value.'
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
Kim & All,

I'm on the new Dell with an ArtMedia GT-960 monitor and this lokks very good to me now, but I cannot tell the difference between this and what I had at P-Base.

They look the same to me.

Do I need two new monitors?

Maybe I'll just try a new one on this machine and see what happens.

Input on this would be appreciated very much.

John
Kim R said:
at normal mode and sharpened -

http://www.pbase.com/image/22655858
John Hilmer said:
Hello to Everyone,

This may be embarrassing to me, but I need help with what I think
is a monitor problem.

I shot these last weekend at the Salinas International Air Show,
and on the 'puter I use to edit they look fine and print well. But
on this machine they show horrible noise and compression artifacts.

You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.

This image is small enough for dial-upers.



The link to the gallery with large files is:

http/ www.pbase.com/358norma/air_show_03

I hope, anyway.

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the
absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
Click to expand...
--
'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds
perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the
urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same
conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
CC & All,

Yep, no doubt about it, this is much better. I still see some noise in my shot, but much less, and Walkers shot looks clean here.

Thanks for the comparison.
Canadian Club said:
John:

I left my computer on and came out between the 7th and 8th inning
to look at your post and I thought - gad these are great - but at
that time of the night I would wait till this morning - well I
still have the same opinion - wish I had been there - yeah right.

I then looked at Walker's Pbase and I can't see any difference
other than your sky is bluer - and probably he's up there in a Hog
taken his (ah dream on)

Anyway I put your picture and one from Walker side by side - no
screwing around with anything.



For the larger size

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/data/500/103John_Hilmer_Comparison.jpg

I hope this helps but other than what Kim has done I think they are
super.
Does this still show up what your seeing?

CC

Canadian Club (with a chaser)
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery.jpg

http://gmockrcpilot.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {BD05EEAC-7A8E-4CDA-A373-7B04E7D65A9D} {90CE144B-FECA-4769-8742-6DF343B37B05}tn.jpg
21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO
Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys,
but they have no military value.'
Click to expand...
--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
How about copying your pictures on a disk and check them out on a monitor in a computer store. How about your computers at work too.

Just a thought as most of us have answered that we really don't see the same as you are seeing.

CC

Canadian Club (with a chaser)
http://www.pbase.com/otfchallenge/george_mocks_3d_frame_gallery.jpg

http://gmockrcpilot.instantlogic.com/images//Photos/ {BD05EEAC-7A8E-4CDA-A373-7B04E7D65A9D} {90CE144B-FECA-4769-8742-6DF343B37B05}tn.jpg
21OO&Nikon95O&E1OORS&DPS9OOO

Marshal Ferdinand Foch in 1911: 'Airplanes are interesting toys, but they have no military value.'
 
CC & All,

I'm covinced that the old monitor has had it just by reviewing this thread and others from this new Dell with a bit newer monitor.

I'm going to head out shopping.

I have some more images of the airshow taken with the E-10. I'll edit them on this machine after I get a new monitor.

This monitor will migrate to the other machine.

Thanks everyone,

--
John,

'Superstition and peer pressure direct human activity in the absence of knowledge.' Issac Azimov.
 
When I viewed it last night on my notebook computer, it looked pretty bad. In the sky were big checkerboard patterns that looked like horrible jpg artifacts.

However, when I view it now on a desktop with a decent crt monitor, it looks fine!

As a matter of fact, even some of my pics on pbase looked bad on my notebook last night that I didn't think looked bad on it before. The only difference, I think, was that last night I was on a wireless dialup connection with my cellphone and running entirely on battery power. I'm going to try it again later today with A/C power, and then with land-line dialuup, and then with DSL to see what differences I see.

Strange phenomenon . . .
John Hilmer said:
You can help me by telling me what you see so that I'll have a clue
which is closer to the truth.
Click to expand...
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