D800E worth buying after Thom Hogan's warning?

I have owned my D800E since it first hit the stores in July 2012. I have never had an issue with mine and my images have always been tack sharp. I still use the camera and it's going strong.

I saw no need to upgrade to the D810 or the D850, although the D850 was VERY tempting.

Now I am just waiting for the release of the D850 successor to appraise it's features and see what developments it brings to the table. I absolutely will NOT go Z-mount. I will stick with F-mount. I am just not willing to spring for a new set of lenses.
 
As I mentioned in an earlier reply, I still have my original D800E. Its electronics are slow in today's standards, but it is still a fine camera. I think most early left-AF issues should have been fixed by now. Personally, I don't think getting a used D800/D800E is a bad idea today, as long as you are fine with its limitations, mainly due to its age.

However, the OP has posted no fewer than 6 times on this thread. Clearly the OP is uncomfortable with getting a D800. Just that is sufficient reason to avoid it. You don't want to continue having doubts after you acquire the camera. In particular, there must be a lot of used D810 around.
 
Unfortunately, even if i manage to find a decent D810 with just 6k i will have to pay a lot more (i would say even double the price)
I would be willing to pay that money for a better camera but i can't afford it.
The D810 is a better camera, but not double-the-price-better.

One way to look at this - what pictures could you take with the D810 that you couldn't get with the D800e? Ones that really need Group Autofocus. Or with 5fps you manage to get a shot here and there that you generally missed with 4. (Seems unlikely).

I can't see a big difference between shooting at ISO 64 and ISO 100 to tweak out details. I never noticed any difference in sensor performance between my 800e and 810. The differences I noticed were all body-related. More of a refinement of the whole camera than a new feature or two.
 
Thanks a lot for the info! Really useful and helpful!!
You are not a good candidate for a D800e because you'll be constantly worried about this or that possible problem. Save up a couple of hundred more euros and get a D810, which has some nice benefits such as ISO 64 and the quietest shutter ever put in a Nikon DSLR.
 
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It is exactly like that.
The specific D800E will cost me 650 euros with only 6k in excellent condition.
At the moment the only option for me is to pay 1164 euros for a good condition D810 with 33k.
It is almost double the time.
I shoot only stills (95%) and i almost never use LV for my shots. Just OVF viewfinder (btw the real reason will keep me away from the mirrorless world)

Actually, due to the above reasons, i am thinking of taking the risk of a defective D800E...
My real concerns have only to do with the issue of "broken chassis" and how possible is to face this problem in the future even if the camera now is in excellent condition without issues.
 
I am copying from my answer two lines above.

"...The specific D800E will cost me 650 euros with only 6k in excellent condition.
At the moment the only option for me is to pay 1164 euros for a good condition D810 with 33k on mpb.eu
It is almost double the time.
I shoot only stills (95%) and i almost never use LV for my shots. Just OVF viewfinder (btw the real reason will keep me away from the mirrorless world)

Actually, due to the above reasons, i am thinking of taking the risk of a defective D800E...
My real concerns have only to do with the issue of "broken chassis" and how possible is to face this problem in the future even if the camera now is in excellent condition without issues..."
 
I am copying from my answer two lines above.
"...The specific D800E will cost me 650 euros with only 6k in excellent condition.
At the moment the only option for me is to pay 1164 euros for a good condition D810 with 33k on mpb.eu
It is almost double the time.
I shoot only stills (95%) and i almost never use LV for my shots. Just OVF viewfinder (btw the real reason will keep me away from the mirrorless world)
Actually, due to the above reasons, i am thinking of taking the risk of a defective D800E...
My real concerns have only to do with the issue of "broken chassis" and how possible is to face this problem in the future even if the camera now is in excellent condition without issues..."
Well fwiw my D800 had the issue so bad I didn't have to do any special testing to see it. The entire left AF bank was so off even at f/4 it was useless. But I got it for a good price as a refurbish and it had less than 1K on the shutter count and was in like new condition so I sent it in for service under the warranty and the AF as been perfect since. IDK how much getting a used one fixed out of warranty costs but it can be fixed if it has it. One with more clicks is probably a safer bet as it was probably working for whoever was using it so much. As far as the cracked fame issue goes IDK. I dropped mine a short distance where it hit the edge of a table on the way down. It chipped the paint on the button but other wise worked fine. I don't know if the frame cracked or not but if it did my camera kept working perfect for years after. All that said if I had to replace my D800 and couldn't afford a D850 I would go with a D810. Its' basically a D800E with all the bugs worked out. I know it's a lot more money but it is worth it if you can pay it IMO.

Is there anyway you can test the D800E or return it if it has the issue? I would say get the D800E due to the price but my concern is that even if you test the D800E and it seems fine you will still never quite be confidant in it. In the end it's a decision you have to make but if you can swing it a D810 is probably worth it for you just to have peace of mind about it.
 
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I am copying from my answer two lines above.
"...The specific D800E will cost me 650 euros with only 6k in excellent condition.
At the moment the only option for me is to pay 1164 euros for a good condition D810 with 33k on mpb.eu
It is almost double the time.
I shoot only stills (95%) and i almost never use LV for my shots. Just OVF viewfinder (btw the real reason will keep me away from the mirrorless world)
Actually, due to the above reasons, i am thinking of taking the risk of a defective D800E...
My real concerns have only to do with the issue of "broken chassis" and how possible is to face this problem in the future even if the camera now is in excellent condition without issues..."
Considering that the reports show that there are some D800/D800Es that do break in the field (ie didn't come new out of the box broken but broke with use), there is a possibility that will happen but what are the odds? Small I would say as we don't have a large number of people reporting that it's always happening but there are enough to give some pause.

What you might want to do is to find a decent deal on a D800/D800E at a dealer that has repair facilities so that they can remove the bottom plate so that you can do an inspection of the area in question so that you can be assured that you got a working one.
 
My real concerns have only to do with the issue of "broken chassis" and how possible is to face this problem in the future even if the camera now is in excellent condition without issues.
Highly unlikely. Just get the e and start cranking out the best pics you've ever taken by a mile.
 
I've been on these forums longer than the D800e has been out, and I never heard much about broken chassis here, just that Thom Hogan article. I think the vast majority of used D800e's out there are just cameras that became obsolete to their owners and sit on shelves with a variable amount of usage before they got there.

I've got my own D800e in a cabinet, next to my D700 and D300 and D200. Nothing wrong with any of them, but I only have two shoulders and I have a D810 and D850 there.
 
I've never had an issue with my D800e. It takes wonderful images and even though I also have a D850, I still use the D800e on a regular basis.

That image would be affected absolutely zero by the left AF issue (which was the minor of the D800/800e issues), the cracked frame issue or the screwy AF issue. Likely it would not be affected by the D600 oil issue with a bit of PP, nor the D750 shutter issue, as long as it was still firing.

Everyone that had a D800 / D800e got good images. Just some people did not get them consistent enough.

A picture such as yours, or any picture someone might put up, does not mean that the D800 or D800e is good or bad. Just means at that particular moment in time, you got a decent image.
Wrong. It's a really good camera!
Yes, yours may be. They all weren't. Not close to all. One fellow having a good product doesn't make them all good.
And one fellow having a bad one doesn't make them all bad. It's juste that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people.
 
I've never had an issue with my D800e. It takes wonderful images and even though I also have a D850, I still use the D800e on a regular basis.

That image would be affected absolutely zero by the left AF issue (which was the minor of the D800/800e issues), the cracked frame issue or the screwy AF issue. Likely it would not be affected by the D600 oil issue with a bit of PP, nor the D750 shutter issue, as long as it was still firing.

Everyone that had a D800 / D800e got good images. Just some people did not get them consistent enough.

A picture such as yours, or any picture someone might put up, does not mean that the D800 or D800e is good or bad. Just means at that particular moment in time, you got a decent image.
Wrong. It's a really good camera!
Yes, yours may be. They all weren't. Not close to all. One fellow having a good product doesn't make them all good.
And one fellow having a bad one doesn't make them all bad. It's juste that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people.
And I'm always clear that I don't mean they're all bad or that most all are bad. But the OP was looking for opinions on the cracked chassis issue and the screwy AF issue that so many had could / may have been caused by a cracked chassis. It also could just be a problem unrelated, but worth noting.

"and this is just bs "It's just that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people." Why is it stirring anything? A lot of us had a problem, we are pointing it out. I am pointing it out. The OP can factor that into his buying decision or not. His choice. But he got the info he was looking for.

Not just a bunch of fanboys sticking up a picture (particularly landscape that requires no AF at all) and saying mine was good. And suggesting that if theirs was good, they all must be good - no problem exists.

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I enjoy my Nikon gear. But as has been pointed out to me "it’s a declining, decaying system based upon ancient technology" Funny that, never noticed.
 
Buying used camera--more probability some thing else wrong than the most left focusing spot issue. Dropped, knocked, worn out mechanical, dust, cosmetic wear-out etc.

Still I would buy a low count e and have it service/checked/fixed if necessary.

I have had two one early batch and very late serial# and will never part with them. Never seen the left most focusing issue when test properly and everyday use. D810 used a different sensor with 1/2 stop worse raw noise performance than D800,e but added some other refinements. Shutter noise/vibration is improved with D810.
 
Another consideration is the fact that it would be a very rare situation in that your composition requires using most left sensor block where you want near frame edge focus. Even if that is the scenario then your lens edge/corner performance wide open at or near F1.4,F1.8 becomes vital. Hardly any lens regardless of price has as good performance near frame edge.

The proper test required the camera to be on tripod and delayed shutter. With targets test have proper contrast in daylight. And then compared with another shot taken with the that sensor on LV mode.

How many do you think went thru that test and test was actually carried out correctly? Probably some but not many!
 
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I've been on these forums longer than the D800e has been out, and I never heard much about broken chassis here, just that Thom Hogan article. I think the vast majority of used D800e's out there are just cameras that became obsolete to their owners and sit on shelves with a variable amount of usage before they got there.

I've got my own D800e in a cabinet, next to my D700 and D300 and D200. Nothing wrong with any of them, but I only have two shoulders and I have a D810 and D850 there.
I agree - I've only heard of a cracked chassis in a couple of cases related to impact damage. It's extremely uncommon. I wonder if it's because there were so many D800/D800E cameras sold compared to almost any other model.

You can start listing possible issues and justify never buying any camera or lens. Are you worried about decentered lens elements, AF sensor accuracy, or some other issue? Those are much more common but still rarely discussed.

Thom is a good resource, but he does not have statistically accurate data nor is the information neutralized for impact damage or other direct causes of chassis damage. Impact damage is common.
 
I've never had an issue with my D800e. It takes wonderful images and even though I also have a D850, I still use the D800e on a regular basis.

That image would be affected absolutely zero by the left AF issue (which was the minor of the D800/800e issues), the cracked frame issue or the screwy AF issue. Likely it would not be affected by the D600 oil issue with a bit of PP, nor the D750 shutter issue, as long as it was still firing.

Everyone that had a D800 / D800e got good images. Just some people did not get them consistent enough.

A picture such as yours, or any picture someone might put up, does not mean that the D800 or D800e is good or bad. Just means at that particular moment in time, you got a decent image.
Wrong. It's a really good camera!
Yes, yours may be. They all weren't. Not close to all. One fellow having a good product doesn't make them all good.
And one fellow having a bad one doesn't make them all bad. It's juste that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people.
And I'm always clear that I don't mean they're all bad or that most all are bad. But the OP was looking for opinions on the cracked chassis issue and the screwy AF issue that so many had could / may have been caused by a cracked chassis. It also could just be a problem unrelated, but worth noting.
I know about that. What would be interesting to know is which serial numbers were affected and to which extent. 1/1000, 1/100, 1/10?
"and this is just bs "It's just that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people." Why is it stirring anything? A lot of us had a problem, we are pointing it out. I am pointing it out. The OP can factor that into his buying decision or not. His choice. But he got the info he was looking for.
Once again, "a lot of us" is which percentage out of the total units sold.
Not just a bunch of fanboys sticking up a picture (particularly landscape that requires no AF at all) and saying mine was good. And suggesting that if theirs was good, they all must be good - no problem exists.
Yes, problems exist. It's good that people can get advises. But, I'm interested in numbers. How many exhibited the problem. The problem was it occuring only in a specific geographic area. I.e. was it one worker on one line shipping to a specific area that was working with a defective tool or was poorly trained? So many questions, so little answers...
 
Spot on! I recently came up with this.I think it is related to what you mention about the difference in RAW between these two cameras..
 
I've never had an issue with my D800e. It takes wonderful images and even though I also have a D850, I still use the D800e on a regular basis.

That image would be affected absolutely zero by the left AF issue (which was the minor of the D800/800e issues), the cracked frame issue or the screwy AF issue. Likely it would not be affected by the D600 oil issue with a bit of PP, nor the D750 shutter issue, as long as it was still firing.

Everyone that had a D800 / D800e got good images. Just some people did not get them consistent enough.

A picture such as yours, or any picture someone might put up, does not mean that the D800 or D800e is good or bad. Just means at that particular moment in time, you got a decent image.
Wrong. It's a really good camera!
Yes, yours may be. They all weren't. Not close to all. One fellow having a good product doesn't make them all good.
And one fellow having a bad one doesn't make them all bad. It's juste that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people.
And I'm always clear that I don't mean they're all bad or that most all are bad. But the OP was looking for opinions on the cracked chassis issue and the screwy AF issue that so many had could / may have been caused by a cracked chassis. It also could just be a problem unrelated, but worth noting.
I know about that. What would be interesting to know is which serial numbers were affected and to which extent. 1/1000, 1/100, 1/10?
Shuncheung posted this - "Back in 2012, the estimate was that roughly 30% of the D800/D800E were affected by the left AF point issue." No idea where it came from. I would guess at least 5% to 10% which is too many.
"and this is just bs "It's just that the unhappy people stir much more sh... than happy people." Why is it stirring anything? A lot of us had a problem, we are pointing it out. I am pointing it out. The OP can factor that into his buying decision or not. His choice. But he got the info he was looking for.
Once again, "a lot of us" is which percentage out of the total units sold.
In the threads here, once the dust had settled and they had been out for a number of years, my guess was that 20% to 30% in any given thread had inconsistent AF issues. For me the the left AF issue was a non issue. It was so extreme to the left that I would have lived with it as just another piece of equipment that required a bit of a work around or something to keep in mind when using it. My first of April 2012 D800 did not have the issue when I checked it several months in. It did have an inconsistent AF issue though, which didn't have a work around. So again, even it was 5% or 10% it was too many. Issue with this inconsistency is that it can't be nailed down like a camera body spewing oil, so Nikon got away with it by saying them were "within specs" or "no issue found"
Not just a bunch of fanboys sticking up a picture (particularly landscape that requires no AF at all) and saying mine was good. And suggesting that if theirs was good, they all must be good - no problem exists.
Yes, problems exist. It's good that people can get advises. But, I'm interested in numbers. How many exhibited the problem. The problem was it occuring only in a specific geographic area. I.e. was it one worker on one line shipping to a specific area that was working with a defective tool or was poorly trained? So many questions, so little answers...
It wasn't specific areas or certainly not narrow areas. From member profiles, they were scattered throughout the US and mine was bought in Toronto, so even a different serial number initial digit to designate Canada. (inconsistent focus issue) My D800, one of the first in Toronto, did not have a left AF issue, but, as I said up thread, my Toronto bought used D800e, a replacement for another D800e came with the original and replacement receipts, and the receipts showing both bodies as not being early releases. And again, this one being in Toronto, and the left AF issue being prevalent in D800s and at least some D800e with issues spread out all over geographically, it was not specific to one body, let alone one geographic area, and certainly not possible to be one worker on one line. So, so many questions, here was a couple of answers.

And the diehard fans of Nikon like to default the D800 / D800e to the left AF issue, but in the minds of many here, the left AF issue was the minor one of the D800/e's issues.

And while I didn't post it here, I had sent the OP of this thread links to a very, very good professional photographer in Toronto, and to a now removed blog post that I retrieved through Way Back Time Machine, talking about how he ditched his entire kit of Nikon gear and went back to Canon after 10 years with Nikon. All because his inconsistent AF D800e s, were an impediment to his work as a professional photographer. I had talked to him in May 2013 when this happened, but the blog post documents the basics of what he told me.

And it's likely 1000s of bodies were never identified as not everyone out there is as astute with Nikon camera gear as the ones on DPR who identified the problem and documented it here. :-D:-D

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I enjoy my Nikon gear. But as has been pointed out to me "it’s a declining, decaying system based upon ancient technology" Funny that, never noticed.
 
"chassis failure"... I've had the camera since 2012, when it first came hit the market. First I'm hearing of it. I have no doubts that it's an "issue", since Thom is mentioning it, but curious to know who likely or prevalent / wide spread it is? Interesting.

Cheers
 
Thom Hogan's statements are sometimes made without objective quantitative data to back them up. The D810 also had early issues with VR function. My empirical strategy for new cameras is to wait a year before buying a new model, hoping that by then defects will have surfaced and that Nikon will have resolved them. Buying used always has risks as well as advantages (lower cost).
 

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