Good video editing software for Canon EOS R6?

spider-mario said:

IBuilder said:

Yes, I noticed that as I tested with some test footage - can you confirm that it does work with the paid version?

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I can confirm that it works with 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC footage from the R6, both on Windows and on Linux. It’s quite slow, though.

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I hate so sound like a broken record, but Resolve Studio is faster on my new MacBook (M1 processor) than my PC with 64GB and high end video card. PC video card do not support hardware processing of 10 bit 4:2:2 HEVC so they are forced to use the CPU and a lot of memory.

John2004 said:

I hate so sound like a broken record, but Resolve Studio is faster on my new MacBook (M1 processor) than my PC with 64GB and high end video card. PC video card do not support hardware processing of 10 bit 4:2:2 HEVC so they are forced to use the CPU and a lot of memory.

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Which is why those of us who need a new computer are waiting for next year. Intel's Tigerlake CPU is reported to support HEVC 12 bit. If you can wait even longer the desktop models also will.

NickZ2016 said:

John2004 said:

I hate so sound like a broken record, but Resolve Studio is faster on my new MacBook (M1 processor) than my PC with 64GB and high end video card. PC video card do not support hardware processing of 10 bit 4:2:2 HEVC so they are forced to use the CPU and a lot of memory.

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Which is why those of us who need a new computer are waiting for next year. Intel's Tigerlake CPU is reported to support HEVC 12 bit. If you can wait even longer the desktop models also will.

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M1 already seems better than anything Intel has.

You're comparing yesterday's CPUs . Next year you'll be comparing the then released chips.

NickZ2016 said:

You're comparing yesterday's CPUs . Next year you'll be comparing the then released chips.

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We can't compare what is working now with some vaporware. Maybe later we can compare a vaporware with vaporware or Tiger Lake with M2

it's not really vaporware.


That's not a high end laptop or desktop chip either. The stuff we're waiting for is going to be even more powerful. Both more cores. Faster frequencies.

Then you have this explaining why even the previous numbers underestimate the real speed difference

NickZ2016 said:

https://wccftech.com/why-apple-m1-single-core-comparisons-are-fundamentally-flawed-with-benchmarks/

Then you have this explaining why even the previous numbers underestimate the real speed difference

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I sold my high end video card and made enough to buy a "cheap" MacBook that does better than any Intel PC today. It only has 8GB and yet I can edit 8K video easily,

So how much is this new processor, motherboard, RAM and video card going to cost even though it currently does not exist or at least won't be sold for many months??

NickZ2016 said:

https://wccftech.com/why-apple-m1-single-core-comparisons-are-fundamentally-flawed-with-benchmarks/

Then you have this explaining why even the previous numbers underestimate the real speed difference

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Many types of workloads are single-threaded, which is the point of single-threaded benchmarks. They are not “fundamentally flawed” just because a single thread cannot max out an Intel core.

Don't forget Blackmagic's own free training resources.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/training

CanonUserG40 said:

Don't forget Blackmagic's own free training resources.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/training

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Thanks, I will take a look at those. I actually took the advice from Off The Mark at https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64606260 and started with Patrick Inhofer's course. I'm just starting but it looks promising as the footage is provided so you can learn the software before actually making your own footage.

Blackmagic also supply footage for use with the tutorials. Apart from the printed book versions, as opposed to the pdf ones, everything is free on the BM site.

CanonUserG40 said:

Blackmagic also supply footage for use with the tutorials. Apart from the printed book versions, as opposed to the pdf ones, everything is free on the BM site.

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Though not for BM, I recall that FCPX had also a similar tutorial with files, maybe a third party tutorial. I never bothered to work with files though, but I downloaded them anyway Apple has great free tutorial books on iBooks app though. I also got one for Apple Motion (animation software) and read until somewhere in the middle, for creating shining stars with rays.

IBuilder said:

CanonUserG40 said:

Don't forget Blackmagic's own free training resources.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/training

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Thanks, I will take a look at those. I actually took the advice from Off The Mark at https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64606260 and started with Patrick Inhofer's course. I'm just starting but it looks promising as the footage is provided so you can learn the software before actually making your own footage.

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good to hear it.

I actually had been using Resolve for a couple of years before discovering his tutorials and - since resolve JUST added the cut page in version 16 - I went looking for beginner tutorials on how to use the cut page, and I really liked his the best.

IBuilder said:

Thanks for everyone for your advice!

It looks like learning DaVinci Resolve is a good idea. I also decided that I will start with the fundamentals first using the free version even though it does not support 10 bit video etc. - I can always later jump to the paid version after getting some experience with the craft.

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Im unsure where your getting this idea resolve free won’t support 10 bit colour... it does...

like almost all NLE software it will have issues around real time support and a good user experience with all codecs... in particular codecs which have a lot of data..

and for most of us mortals...this is exacerbated by the limitations of our hardware to transcode on the fly as well...

Resolve fixes a lot of these issues for high end big data material with proprietary codecs by using multiple GPU’s... so when we talk about supporting cine4k in 10bit 422 from the Canon in resolve studio, it’s actually not the 10bit that’s the issue, but the combination of high data rates, and the canon codec...

but this has always been an issue with all NLE’s... so the solution has been for a very long time that to get a good user experience, You should do a import which both transcodes and produces proxies from your footage...

so for your cine4k you would transcode this into something like prores 422 and edit from those...

we do exactly that with our material and use the free version in full 10bit.

as to if you also want to use smaller proxies, that’s really a hardware issue, ad you would do well to familiarise yourself with the different system needs for different NLE’s to match your needs...

but the main difference between studio and free resolve is multiple GPU support, and that is a big deal for commercial work at a high level, but the free version is great if your not as profit driven, and using a 3090 or 3080 gpu will give excellent preformance.

workflow and hardware need to be optimised for any NLE, and most issues are easily solved with a bit of a think around that, and all NLE’s need this.

I may be guilty here of banging on .. but Puget systems have excellent resources for informing yourself about this sort of thing... here is their page about Resolve..

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...-DaVinci-Resolve-187/Hardware-Recommendations

Things not supported in free resolve:

10-bit colour

4:2:2 video (I assume, used not to be)

Resolutions > UHD (so no Cine-4k).

Frame rates over 60fps


"In addition to all of the 8‑bit formats supported by the free version, DaVinci Resolve Studio lets you work with most professional formats. You also get support for advanced AVCHD, AVC-Intra and popular H.264 camera formats that use "all-I" intraframe encoding, and also 10‑bit encoding."

Jon555 said:

Things not supported in free resolve:

10-bit colour

4:2:2 video (I assume, used not to be)

Resolutions > UHD (so no Cine-4k).

Frame rates over 60fps

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/studio

"In addition to all of the 8‑bit formats supported by the free version, DaVinci Resolve Studio lets you work with most professional formats. You also get support for advanced AVCHD, AVC-Intra and popular H.264 camera formats that use "all-I" intraframe encoding, and also 10‑bit encoding."

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Go back and read that again. It does not say the free version does not support 10 bit footage... in a nutshell it says that the studio version supports far more codecs, including all the 8 bit codecs.. which are a wide range of popular proprietary codecs for 8 bit cameras which often require plugins... as well as the higher end codecs including all-I ans10 bit encoding in those codecs.

the free version works fine in 10 bit but in many cases it won’t recognise camera specific or high end 10 bit codecs, you need to transcode to a more friendly codec... and that means going to prores in most cases.

don’t read more into that blurb than it actually says... we do this every day and edit in 10bit 422 in resolve on a regular basis.

only a muppet frankly doesn’t transcode and generate proxies when doing serious editing... it makes a huge difference to the user experience to move out of a compressed proprietary codec into a more edit friendly format like prores.

here is someone demonstrating the process..


Here is tool farms explanation of the differences between studio and free for v16

https://www.toolfarm.com/tutorial/in-depth-davinci-resolve-studio-vs-the-free-version/

and this is davinci s feature list comparison between free and studio for 15...

https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/SupportNotes/DaVinci_Resolve_15_Feature_Comparison.pdf

So let’s just squash this right here... the free version supports 10 bit 422 no problem, it just doesn’t support some codecs which use that..

And I can assure you of that as I own and operate a video production company which operates 2 edit suites which use resolve free version to edit fuji xt3 files in 4k 10 bit 420 and 422 at up to 400 mbps daily... as well as other 10 bit footage..

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NottsPhoto said:

Jon555 said:

Things not supported in free resolve:

10-bit colour

4:2:2 video (I assume, used not to be)

Resolutions > UHD (so no Cine-4k).

Frame rates over 60fps

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/studio

"In addition to all of the 8‑bit formats supported by the free version, DaVinci Resolve Studio lets you work with most professional formats. You also get support for advanced AVCHD, AVC-Intra and popular H.264 camera formats that use "all-I" intraframe encoding, and also 10‑bit encoding."

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Go back and read that again. It does not say the free version does not support 10 bit footage... in a nutshell it says that the studio version supports far more codecs, including all the 8 bit codecs.. which are a wide range of popular proprietary codecs for 8 bit cameras which often require plugins... as well as the higher end codecs including all-I ans10 bit encoding in those codecs.

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Yes it does, plus that was one of the reasons I upgraded to the studio version... show me where it says otherwise...

NottsPhoto said:

the free version works fine in 10 bit but in many cases it won’t recognise camera specific or high end 10 bit codecs, you need to transcode to a more friendly codec... and that means going to prores in most cases.

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It certainly wouldn't eat UHD 10-bit clips from my GH5...

NottsPhoto said:

don’t read more into that blurb than it actually says... we do this every day and edit in 10bit 422 in resolve on a regular basis.

only a muppet frankly doesn’t transcode and generate proxies when doing serious editing... it makes a huge difference to the user experience to move out of a compressed proprietary codec into a more edit friendly format like prores.

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Or you have the studio version and a big GPU to take advantage of the GPU decoding (for supported formats). Why would anyone using it professionally not pay a pittance for Studio?

NottsPhoto said:

here is someone demonstrating the process..

Here is tool farms explanation of the differences between studio and free for v16

https://www.toolfarm.com/tutorial/in-depth-davinci-resolve-studio-vs-the-free-version/

and this is davinci s feature list comparison between free and studio for 15...

https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/SupportNotes/DaVinci_Resolve_15_Feature_Comparison.pdf

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Which doesn't mention 10-bit or 4:2:2 !

NottsPhoto said:

So let’s just squash this right here... the free version supports 10 bit 422 no problem, it just doesn’t support some codecs which use that..

And I can assure you of that as I own and operate a video production company which operates 2 edit suites which use resolve free version to edit fuji xt3 files in 4k 10 bit 420 and 422 at up to 400 mbps daily... as well as other 10 bit footage..

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Okay, so maybe DaVinci are lying about 10-bit, but if you do run a production company why use the free version rather than the Studio version with GPU acceleration?

Jon555 said:

NottsPhoto said:

Jon555 said:

Things not supported in free resolve:

10-bit colour

4:2:2 video (I assume, used not to be)

Resolutions > UHD (so no Cine-4k).

Frame rates over 60fps

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/studio

"In addition to all of the 8‑bit formats supported by the free version, DaVinci Resolve Studio lets you work with most professional formats. You also get support for advanced AVCHD, AVC-Intra and popular H.264 camera formats that use "all-I" intraframe encoding, and also 10‑bit encoding."

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Go back and read that again. It does not say the free version does not support 10 bit footage... in a nutshell it says that the studio version supports far more codecs, including all the 8 bit codecs.. which are a wide range of popular proprietary codecs for 8 bit cameras which often require plugins... as well as the higher end codecs including all-I ans10 bit encoding in those codecs.

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Yes it does, plus that was one of the reasons I upgraded to the studio version... show me where it says otherwise...

Jon555 said:

the free version works fine in 10 bit but in many cases it won’t recognise camera specific or high end 10 bit codecs, you need to transcode to a more friendly codec... and that means going to prores in most cases.

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It certainly wouldn't eat UHD 10-bit clips from my GH5...

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The gh5 outputs 10 bit 422 in all-I into a h264 codec... and as noted, you need to transcode this to prores. When we did that with our gh5 and gh5s files, it worked fine.

Jon555 said:

Jon555 said:

don’t read more into that blurb than it actually says... we do this every day and edit in 10bit 422 in resolve on a regular basis.

only a muppet frankly doesn’t transcode and generate proxies when doing serious editing... it makes a huge difference to the user experience to move out of a compressed proprietary codec into a more edit friendly format like prores.

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Or you have the studio version and a big GPU to take advantage of the GPU decoding (for supported formats). Why would anyone using it professionally not pay a pittance for Studio?

Jon555 said:

here is someone demonstrating the process..

Here is tool farms explanation of the differences between studio and free for v16

https://www.toolfarm.com/tutorial/in-depth-davinci-resolve-studio-vs-the-free-version/

and this is davinci s feature list comparison between free and studio for 15...

https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/SupportNotes/DaVinci_Resolve_15_Feature_Comparison.pdf

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Which doesn't mention 10-bit or 4:2:2 !

Jon555 said:

So let’s just squash this right here... the free version supports 10 bit 422 no problem, it just doesn’t support some codecs which use that..

And I can assure you of that as I own and operate a video production company which operates 2 edit suites which use resolve free version to edit fuji xt3 files in 4k 10 bit 420 and 422 at up to 400 mbps daily... as well as other 10 bit footage..

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Okay, so maybe DaVinci are lying about 10-bit, but if you do run a production company why use the free version rather than the Studio version with GPU acceleration?

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why not?

you do understand that it’s the nature of a business to make money don’t you??
We don’t have multi gpu gear, and we don’t output projects in greater than 4k at 24p...so why shell out money you don’t have to???

And if you don’t believe me, go to my profile and see what we do. It’s not rocket science.

and davinci are not lieing, your just reading more into it than they are saying...

It’s NOT a issue around colour depth, it’s around codecs. And resolve free doesn’t support in particular h-264 or 265 in 10 bit.... but it is perfectly happy in prores.

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Thanks for detailed explanation! I have just got my R6 and I hope to test editing footage the coming weekend!