"Last camera"

The R5 will likely be my last camera, although if Canon gets its act together and releases a 30 mp crop sensor R series camera that fills the niche of the 7D2, I will probably grab one of those, too. For now, the R5 is as close as Canon makes to a bird photography camera to upgrade from my 7D2. It’s a little overkill for family portraits, sunsets and flat landscapes, and it’s been a few years since I’ve done any product photography. So, my ideal last cameras would be the R6 and an R7D mk3. At the age of 73, I think my eye sight will fail before I need another camera.

danferrin said:

The R5 will likely be my last camera, although if Canon gets its act together and releases a 30 mp crop sensor R series camera that fills the niche of the 7D2, I will probably grab one of those, too. For now, the R5 is as close as Canon makes to a bird photography camera to upgrade from my 7D2. It’s a little overkill for family portraits, sunsets and flat landscapes, and it’s been a few years since I’ve done any product photography. So, my ideal last cameras would be the R6 and an R7D mk3. At the age of 73, I think my eye sight will fail before I need another camera.

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Yours eyesight may last longer than you think. Two years ago, at age 72, I had cataract surgery in both eyes and it gave me better vision that I miracuously restore both eyes with better vision than every before in my life. I passed the driving test easily with no need for glasses and I never did that before.

I think my vision will hold hold long after I can no longer hold even a stabilized lens steady. Yet I will try to use a monopod then. The R5 could be my last 5D. I do not know for sure but it so far is one heck of a camera and should last me a long time. I have many EF lenses I use with it and have controlled myselft to a point with just 6 RF lenses. The RF lenses are great for better resolution and focus speed. However, for many things my collection of L lenses in EF mount are plenty good and will likely last me for a lifetime. I hope to avoid going crazy with any more RF lenses. Only time will tell.

It will be quite a camera.

It would be pretty specialised camera for professional use. That is a lot of resolution getting into modern medium format territory.

But it will be a fun camera for enthusiasts .

Great Bustard said:

However, if there were an R6s that was 36 MP that was otherwise the same as the R5s, but for $1000 less, I'd absolutely go for that instead, and happily call it a "last camera", too. But that's not gonna happen.

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Yes, yes, yes. That would be the perfect 'last' camera. I'd be Ok with the R6 sensor as is. 20MP is actually fine for most stuff. Maybe a nice middle ground is 30MP like the R (new sensor though). Having the option to go for high res once in a while when needed/desired would be the icing on the cake.

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Great Bustard said:

I'm really keen on the R5s rumor:

https://www.canonrumors.com/will-the-canon-eos-r5s-come-with-a-pixel-shift-like-feature-cr2/
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for my personal idea of a "last camera" (although, I must admit, that the Sony A7R4 would probably qualify, but I shoot Canon).

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One man's last camera is another man's bust.

I was (mostly) shooting Sony when the A7R4 was announced. As an A7R3 shooter, it was not the upgrade I was looking for. As a mostly wildlife shooter, I was looking more for a high-resolution A9 than a higher resolution R camera. For me, 42MP was plenty for general purpose shooting and cropping. Instead, I longed for A9 performance in a greater-than-24MP package. I thought that 36MP would be the sweet spot for providing cropping ability with the performance and AF speed of the A9.

Needless to say, both the A9II and A7RIV disappointed me. The A9II did not increase resolution, and the A7RIV did not appreciably improve performance. I ended up buying the RIV during the 2019 Black Friday sale that sold it for under $2500 to members of B&H Educational sales program. I jumped because I wanted a second body, and there were enough improvements in ergonomics and EVF, which made it a worthwhile purchase. Unfortunately, the sensor was not one of those improvements. Thankfully, I haven't perceived a reduction in IQ, but I definitely haven't seen any improvement. 60MP wasn't a big enough increase to make a difference. Moreover, even if it were, I wasn't lacking resolution. I'll probably sell it in order to help fund the purchase of a new RF lens.

Right now, the original R5 comes closest to my "last camera". It has the performance and AF accuracy of the A9 with a "Goldilocks" level of resolution. I don't care about video, so the heating problems are not an issue for me. Of course, any camera could always be better. The R5's EVF can be improved, rolling shutter effects reduced, and AF lock-on can be taken to another level. But none of these observations are complaints for me. Put another way, I don't long for fixes or improvements every time I pull out my R5 the way I did with Sony bodies.

I'll never say "last camera", probably because I enjoy technology too much. But for the first time, I have a camera for which I don't perceive any needed improvements or missing essential features. As for 90MP? You can have it.

Ok but why do you need 90mp

bernie r said:

Ok but why do you need 90mp

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It’s hard to think why nearly anyone would need 90 mp.



The common argument is printing big but that’s is kind of false as we view enormous prints at distance which negates the resolution anyway. Billboards are printed at something like 25 dpi , prints on buses and that sort of thing are lucky to be 100.



The few things I can think of ( happy to learn more)

1. Archivists. Accurately documenting museum or historical data.
2. Advertising .... where you might need to crop away huge portions of a photo for advertising campaigns.
3. Maybe for security or law enforcement ... Where it is possible to zoom in and identify people.

4. Like I said earlier.... enthusiasts. It’s just plain fun to play with massive resolution files.

bernie r said:

Ok but why do you need 90mp

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I "need" 90 MP more than I "need" 8K video. The rumored R5s is rumored to be the same cost as the R5. I'd way, way, way rather have 90 MP and 300 MP HHHR than have 8K video. That said, a 36 MP R6s with 120 MP HHHR that didn't even have 4K video for $1K less would work even better.

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photomxp0 said:

But it does seem like a really nice camera. Like some others, I didn't buy the 5DS line, but I would buy an R5s (or 5DS Mark II) with that high of megapixels. I would also prefer no AA filter (and not a "cancellation effect filter" of the 5DS R), or a removable AA filter.

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I prefer a "well-tuned" AA filter. The way to get more [real] detail is to have more pixels, not to do away with the AA filter. So, my personal threshold is well-satisfied by 90 MP with a well-tuned AA filter, and big-time satisfied with sensor-shift 300 MP files, which not only increase the resolution, but increase the DR with longer effective exposure time.

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What are your thoughts on Pentax’s “AA filter simulator”, which uses IBIS to vibrate the sensor and reduce aliasing that way?

spider-mario said:

Great Bustard said:

photomxp0 said:

But it does seem like a really nice camera. Like some others, I didn't buy the 5DS line, but I would buy an R5s (or 5DS Mark II) with that high of megapixels. I would also prefer no AA filter (and not a "cancellation effect filter" of the 5DS R), or a removable AA filter.

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I prefer a "well-tuned" AA filter. The way to get more [real] detail is to have more pixels, not to do away with the AA filter. So, my personal threshold is well-satisfied by 90 MP with a well-tuned AA filter, and big-time satisfied with sensor-shift 300 MP files, which not only increase the resolution, but increase the DR with longer effective exposure time.

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What are your thoughts on Pentax’s “AA filter simulator”, which uses IBIS to vibrate the sensor and reduce aliasing that way?

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I'm very much a fan of it! That said, I'd probably never use it, myself -- 90 MP with a good AA filter is all the resolution (and then some) that I'll *ever* need. (I'll get back to you when I realize I was too quick to say that! ;-) )

Great Bustard said:

I'm really keen on the R5s rumor:

https://www.canonrumors.com/will-the-canon-eos-r5s-come-with-a-pixel-shift-like-feature-cr2/

• Approxomately 90mp sensor
• “Pixel-shift like feature” to add resolution (Perhaps like Fujifilm’s feature in the GFX 100?). Total resolution “north of 300mp”.
• Nearly identical body design as the Canon EOS R5.
• Video features are “NOT a focus” of the Canon EOS R5s.
• Image stabilization will be a “slightly different version” than the current RF mount cameras.
• Pricing will be “similar” to the Canon EOS R5.
• Announcement scheduled for Q1 of 2021 (All announcements are still a moving target for obvious reasons.)

If true, this is *exactly* the camera I've been waiting for. It's what I would call a "last camera" -- that is, a camera so good that any further improvements will have absolutely negligible effect on my photography, whether that be IQ or operation.

Some might say that there's no such thing as a "last camera" or that any camera nowadays is a "last camera" since they're all so good. Fair point. But, for me, personally, I've never come across a camera with specs that actually qualified for my personal idea of a "last camera" (although, I must admit, that the Sony A7R4 would probably qualify, but I shoot Canon).

Anyway, would love to see it be as described. And Canon doesn't need to worry about making my "last camera" -- I don't have any "last lenses" yet. ;-)

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if what your hoping and canon produces such camera, then i am IN-and that will be my last camera as it is and the more i think, my 1Dx and 5DsR will probably be the last cameras, not quite sure, yet!

I got the R5 and it will be my last camera. I am slowing my business and will not need to upgrade again.

90MP sounds like fun but the work I do doesn't ask for it.

The R5 platform is a brilliant base for 90MP though.

Last lens.

F 0.5 and 8-600mm